ARE E-CIGARETTES A PATH TO TOBACCO OR FROM IT?

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    THANK YOU. MY SPOUSE USES A BRAND RECOMMENDED BY OUR DR

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    Or live in another country.

    A long distance marriage.

    Cannot imagine this on a daily basis unless she was as looney as he is.

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    No question..... definitely not my gremlin.

    You can have this one....lol.

     

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    I know this one is not that gremlin.

    But I do not want him either.

    Please feel free to boot him around some more. You are so good at it.

    Think of it as a team sport.

    Some others are playing right now.

    I remeber last time he went after cricket and me...remember MrCricket, but he left you alone.

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    Of course one of the key factors is the health of those around people using e-cigs.


    Andie, the "smoke" is water vapor. There's really nothing really bad about e-cigs if you discount the addiction factor.

     

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    SB,

    Did you read my post that talked about the metals they are finding in e-cigs?

    And the nicotine the smoker is injesting is also being found in the lungs of the people around them...just like secondary smoke.

    So you have nicotine, metals in concentrated amounts as well as nicotine in the lungs of people who did not ask for it.

    Add that to the addiction factor, and yes, there really is something wrong with e-cigs.

    Sorry to disagree with you, SB.

     
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    QUITE THE DELUSIONAL SORT AREN'T YOU?

     

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    ...awe did andie steal your ball from the playground?  What did she do that has you so upset? 

     

     
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    Of course one of the key factors is the health of those around people using e-cigs.


    Andie, the "smoke" is water vapor. There's really nothing really bad about e-cigs if you discount the addiction factor.

     

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    SB,

    Did you read my post that talked about the metals they are finding in e-cigs?

    And the nicotine the smoker is injesting is also being found in the lungs of the people around them...just like secondary smoke.

    So you have nicotine, metals in concentrated amounts as well as nicotine in the lungs of people who did not ask for it.

    Add that to the addiction factor, and yes, there really is something wrong with e-cigs.

    Sorry to disagree with you, SB.

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    Personally, I don't think they've been around long enough to give us a definitive answer one way or the other.

     

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

     
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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

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    It's only the same in the general sense of addiction replacement. I'd wager that after the evidence is in, methodone addiction causes far more harm than e-cigarette addiction.

    And if these metals are completely removed, then the nicotine addiction alone isn't physically harmful at all. You can OD on methadone, and there are plenty of secondary effects, like loss of appetite, nausea, being messed up high (and then if you were to drive, etc etc etc)

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    I'm not going to argue, and I agree methadone addiction I am sure is much worse.

    I wish it were as easy as to say, instead of substitutions learn to just say no. I know it isn't that simple.... and they'll always be sustitutions.

     

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

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    Unless you've used both nicoteen and heroin, your opinion is invalid.

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    Under your terms jed, my opinion is doubly invalid since I have used neither.

    I cannot imagine being in a body that has and/or is using both.

    I would probably be dead by now...or think it was an appropriate alternative.

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

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    Unless you've used both nicoteen and heroin, your opinion is invalid.

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    I've used nicotine... never heroin.... however I can still have an opinion, regardless if you think it is valid or not.

     
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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

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    Unless you've used both nicoteen and heroin, your opinion is invalid.

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    I've used nicotine... never heroin.... however I can still have an opinion, regardless if you think it is valid or not.

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    Yes, you can have an opinion. I never suggested otherwise. It's just that your comparison of the two is apples and oranges. Invalid.

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    I disagree... they are both substitutions for addictions. We can agree to disagree. 

     

     

     

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

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    Unless you've used both nicoteen and heroin, your opinion is invalid.

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    I've used nicotine... never heroin.... however I can still have an opinion, regardless if you think it is valid or not.

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    soxchamps,

    I think jed was just joking.

    I cannot imagine that he would expect many of us to have used heroin...ever.

    As for nicotine, in a way we all have used nicotine since we all have been exposed to second hand smoke.

    In any case, most of us read quite a lot and have very good reading comprehension. When we have personal experience, some of us share it.

    In any case, of course your opinion is valid.

     
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    Of course one of the key factors is the health of those around people using e-cigs.


    Andie, the "smoke" is water vapor. There's really nothing really bad about e-cigs if you discount the addiction factor.

     

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    SB,

    Did you read my post that talked about the metals they are finding in e-cigs?

    And the nicotine the smoker is injesting is also being found in the lungs of the people around them...just like secondary smoke.

    So you have nicotine, metals in concentrated amounts as well as nicotine in the lungs of people who did not ask for it.

    Add that to the addiction factor, and yes, there really is something wrong with e-cigs.

    Sorry to disagree with you, SB.

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    I am chastened and illuminated. I had no idea.

     

     
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    Of course one of the key factors is the health of those around people using e-cigs.


    Andie, the "smoke" is water vapor. There's really nothing really bad about e-cigs if you discount the addiction factor.

     

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    SB,

    Did you read my post that talked about the metals they are finding in e-cigs?

    And the nicotine the smoker is injesting is also being found in the lungs of the people around them...just like secondary smoke.

    So you have nicotine, metals in concentrated amounts as well as nicotine in the lungs of people who did not ask for it.

    Add that to the addiction factor, and yes, there really is something wrong with e-cigs.

    Sorry to disagree with you, SB.

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    I am chastened and illuminated. I had no idea.

     

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    SB,

    My intent was certainly not to chasten you.

    I really appreciate you took the time to go back and read what I had posted about why e-cigs are not harmless.

    I also appreciate the fact you took the time to post you had changed your mind.

    It is one of the reasons I came to respect you so early on. You never just stick to your original POV like some posters and never waiver no matter how much strong and reliable evidence is put before you.

     
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    "Still, I don't see why they couldn't be minimally regulated so as to not contain any metal and really be just vapor."

    If they did that, that would be a different story. But that is not what they are doing, is it.

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    What's scary about the not knowing, if that there are a lot of young kids using these...not just adults. 

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    Exactly, soxchamps.

    We have a chance to start a generation where it is not cool to smoke...not cigararettes, not e-cigs.

    That would be a huge gift for us to hand down to them.

    We already have made it vey difficult for people to find places to smoke cigarettes in public, etc.  That already gives them a huge head start on us. And it took a whole lot of fighting for that to happen. 

    I would hate for us to now take a huge step back with these e-cigs.

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    IMO....

    Substituting e-cigs for cigs is no different than substituting a methadone clinic for heroin. You don't cure the disease or the addiction, you just replace the addiction. Yes, it may be a slight fetch...but IMO, it is very similiar.

     

     

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    Unless you've used both nicoteen and heroin, your opinion is invalid.

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    jed,

    I thought you were just joking when I first saw this post. Hence the response I gave.

    It is real late, but I did want to get that out.

    Regarding heroin, I think that would need its own thread.

    Regarding opinions on nicotine, I am too tired to try that one now.

     
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