Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?

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    Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?

    When the women who frequent these boards very occasionally dip into the birth control fray, they mention this fact.  All the old white guys glance over, then return immediately to the red meat -- Ms. Fluke, this news cycle.

    Even as Mr. Limbaugh almost had to take a timeout, we're seeing carried forth on Fox and here what he successfully seeded...

    Here, today: "This is the end of personal responsibility when it is SOCIETY'S responsibility to pay for someone else's FUN.  Or, are you going to make the claim that she needs to have sex?"

    So, taking the step back urged by the ladies, the contradiction at least deserves some attention by the old white guys: 

    Why is this (in) the official policy of The Catholic Church?  We can only surmise, because there's not a peep from them about it.
     
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    Re: Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?

    People can pay for their own bohner pills. Most are bought for recreational use anyway and not medically needed. It would be nice if everthing was free, but someone has to pay for it eventually.
     
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    In Response to Re: Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?:
    [QUOTE]Guess what Breakwind? Viagra and Cialis are drugs that correct a medical problem. If a man cannot get a boehner then how is he going to pro-create? Birth control does nothing to cure a medical problem. As far as the Catholic Church is concerned I am guessing they want Catholics to reproduce. Why are you trying to push your morals on other people? You are no better than Rick Santorum trying to tell us how to behave. Hypocrite.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    Makes perfect sense.  No, really.  End of story.  Thank you for actually telling it like it is.

    And so also enough with "The Bible tells me so," and, "It's about morals," and "It's about the Constitution."
     
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    [QUOTE]This is all BS.  The point is why should anyone have to pay for someone else  sex culture. entitlement!!!!!
    Posted by chiefhowie[/QUOTE]

    Birth control is not a "sex culture entitlement", it's part of living your life.  It's an insurance plan for Gawd's sake.  They cover lots of things you will never use. Maybe I don't want to pay for your heart medicine because you should exercise more... Grow up all ready. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies? : I wonder what your point would sound like if you chose a topic and placed the phrase "all the old Black guys" in instead of White guys. Are you a bigot?
    Posted by TFefio[/QUOTE]

    If it becomes old Black guys, or old Hispanic guys, or Hawai'ians, or American Samoans, you'll likely see it reported here, possibly by yours truly.  But so far, here, and on the campaign trail, and in and before congress, and in the pulpits of The Catholic Church and officially "2,500 evangelical churches", it's quite prominently and proudly white guys manning the shovels (digging, digging, digging).  But for the record, in the White House, one half-black guy is coming down on the side of women -- and some young men.  And it's noticed: "50%" and climbing.

    Actually, reported on the BBC World Service, German DW, and Japanese NHK World news at least, the melodrama is noticed around the world.  The degree of our exceptional-ness may not have been greater, or observed with greater fascination.
     
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    [QUOTE]People can pay for their own bohner pills. Most are bought for recreational use anyway and not medically needed. It would be nice if everthing was free, but someone has to pay for it eventually.
    Posted by bald-predictions[/QUOTE]

    If you feel people should pay for their own "bohner" pills then shouldn't people pay for their own contraception? 

    Out of curiosity, do you have factual evidence that "bohner" pills are mostly bought for recreational use?
    I just looked it up as I had no idea but viagra in addition to erectile dysfuntion is also used for pulmonary hypertension and high-altitude pulmonary edema.
    In other words, medical uses.

     
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    Re: Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?

    Insurance companies have alredy concluded that offerring birth control pills at no charge as part of coverage actually reduces their costs because it limits the number of pregnancies, which in turn limits the costs they cover for associated services related to pregnancies including, prenatal medications, ultrasounds, OBGYN visits, medication to mitigate complications tht come along with pregnancy ( like gestational diabetes ), and of course the cost of giving birth either naturally or via c section.  Furthermore access to birth control limits unwanted pregnancies which in turn reduces dependency on services for child care, WIC, food assistance programs, and abandonment of children who in turn becomes wards of the state. 

    Also, the idea that covering womens contraceptive is akin to paying for someones "fun" is absurd.  Women take birth control pills to help symptoms associated with Endometriosis, to releive severe PMS symtoms, to give women lighter periods, and even to treat some skin ailments (the hormones in the pill help reduce testosterone in a woman's body).  Additionally taking the pill can reduce the risk of ovarian and endometrial cancer. 

     
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    Neither of these are against church teachings. Having to use Viagra doesn't mean you can't get a woman pregnant. So "be fruitful and multiply" is the order of the day. BC pills inhibit a woman's ability to multiply, against church teachings. Easy!
     
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    Birth control doesn't sterilize a woman.  Many women take birth control as part of their family planning and go off when they have made a decision to conceive.  And as I mentioned, many women use birth control for other medical issues in addition to preventing pregnancy.  And it would seem the churches issue is with their flock as high numbers of cathlic women use birth control (just as I am sure catholic men use condoms).  The church may have a perogative to perpetuate itself by requiring its members to raise offspring in the church and thus its opposition to birth control is because the medication limits the number of potential new catholics, but family planning is the right of the individual...not the church, as evidenced by the number of catholics sinning everyday by using birth control. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies? : Birth control is not a "sex culture entitlement", it's part of living your life.  It's an insurance plan for Gawd's sake.  They cover lots of things you will never use. Maybe I don't want to pay for your heart medicine because you should exercise more... Grow up all ready. 
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]

    If you want an insurance plan that covers this stuff, go for it.

    But, the minute you foist it on all health care plans, individuals, or businesses or institution's, well, there you go wrong. 
     
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    Re: Aren't Viagra and Cialis covered by The Church's business affiliates' insurance policies?

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    [QUOTE]Birth control doesn't sterilize a woman.  Many women take birth control as part of their family planning and go off when they have made a decision to conceive.  And as I mentioned, many women use birth control for other medical issues in addition to preventing pregnancy.  And it would seem the churches issue is with their flock as high numbers of cathlic women use birth control (just as I am sure catholic men use condoms).  The church may have a perogative to perpetuate itself by requiring its members to raise offspring in the church and thus its opposition to birth control is because the medication limits the number of potential new catholics, but family planning is the right of the individual...not the church, as evidenced by the number of catholics sinning everyday by using birth control. 
    Posted by DamainAllen[/QUOTE]
    The issue is that Ms. Fluke and the Democrats have tried to make this a women's right issue insead of what it is which is a freedom of religion thing.
    Their issue isn't with people using BC though they teach against it. The issue here is that Obamacare REQUIRES them to supply BC through their HC insurance offerings. Which means they will be paying @80% for a product that is against their religious teachings. Should be pretty simple for all Americans but then this is an election year!
     

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