Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

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    Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

    Armed guards at schools can be a real good thing!

    Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

    The armed resource officer who took the gun away was off-duty and at the school, but police didn’t release details on him or whether he is regularly at Price.

     

     

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

     

     

     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    No one disputed this.

     

    The question is cost and efficacy.

     

    $50,000 per cop, and that doesn't cover benefits (much more) or pension (much more).

    Multiply that by almost 100,000 K-12 schools in the country and that's 5 billion a year.

    One cop vs. guy with AR-15 and a couple handguns to boot?

    So how many cops per school and just how many billions to throw at this, particularly in the midst of screaming about spending cuts?



    You realize 5 billion to our govt is less than they spend every 12 hours?!?

    What are our kids worth??

     

     
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    There was an armed guard at Columbine...

    And this guy was off duty.  A happy accident for those involved.  But hardly a plan for future action.

    I am sure Tvoter and the rest of the "good guy" gun crowd will willingly accept a ten dollar tax on all guns to defray the cost of a guard in every school to protect us from the "bad guy" gun crowd.

     
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    No one disputed this.

     

    The question is cost and efficacy.

     

    $50,000 per cop, and that doesn't cover benefits (much more) or pension (much more).

    Multiply that by almost 100,000 K-12 schools in the country and that's 5 billion a year.

    One cop vs. guy with AR-15 and a couple handguns to boot?

    So how many cops per school and just how many billions to throw at this, particularly in the midst of screaming about spending cuts?

     



    You realize 5 billion to our govt is less than they spend every 12 hours?!?

     

    What are our kids worth??

     



    Cops are 'takers'.  Are you proposing a 100,000 more governmnet takers?

     
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    What are our kids worth??

    Apparently not a repeal of the 2nd Amendment. 

    The point is simple. One cop per school isn't going to stop mass shootings. Here you have one incident of a cop who stopped one. In other shootings, cops weren't able to stop things. 

    Question: Is TSA a waste of money?




    Appealing the second ammendment which would take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens would NOT disarm criminals who could not careless about laws or the consitution!!

    If, we had real secured borders perhaps we could eventually stop illegal importation of guns but, that is a whole different and difficult issue!

    Most schools are "gun free zones" which is why most cowards attack them. Let it be known that every school has a trained, heavily armed guard with authorization to use deadly force and  they will think twice!

     

     
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    Nevermind that tvoter would be more than happy to cut or do away with all sorts of safety net programs that prevent death of adults and children. Food stamps, housing assistance, all this prevents people from starving or dying from the elements.

    Paint them as layabouts and who cares if they die.

    $5,000,000,000 for the possibility of saving a life would bankrupt us instantly if we employed it in all settings.

    Focusing just on a school shooting (of non-welfare children) is not an honest approach. 

    But if you want to do it, tvoter, then I'll agree on Reuben's conditions: All these cops, all their pensions, all their benefits, all their gear.....

    ...pay for it with taxes on guns and ammo, no matter how high they need to be.

    Then we have a deal.



    I would agree to increase taxes on guns, ammo, and gear. I would also say raise the school tax a small percentage to fund it for a balanced approach!

     
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    That seems unbalanced to me. Why should people who do not own guns and therefore do not contribute to the problem have to pay for the guards in the school?

    Did the killer only kill kids that had parents that owned guns?

    Their kids will get the same protection whether their parents are gun owners or not. DUH

     
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    Did the killer only kill kids that had parents that owned guns?

    Their kids will get the same protection whether their parents are gun owners or not. DUH

    You seem to have missed everything after the first sentence: 

    I am proposing the tax version of car insurance for shootings. Pay to play. 

    Like a non-gun owner, a non-car owner might still get killed by a drunk driver, geezer, texting teenager, or et cetera. We don't require them to insure themselves against damage, we require anyone who owns a car to insure themsevles against damage to others and to themselves.



    The HUGE difference is legal gun owners are not using their guns in public everyday like people who drive cars on public roadways are. apple and oranges.

     

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

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    Armed guards at schools can be a real good thing!

    Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

    The armed resource officer who took the gun away was off-duty and at the school, but police didn’t release details on him or whether he is regularly at Price.

     

     

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp

     

     




     

    No doubt and I think every school should have them.  

     
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    A parked car is not a threat.  A moving one is.

    A gun in a safe at home is not a threat.  A gun-in-hand is.  Even if not fired or even loaded, a gun brandished is still a threat, whether at a school, a church, a baseball game...or at home.

    I knew an ex-marine vietnam vet who was taken away in a padded van, because he used his guns to threaten and abuse his wife as well as any neighborhood kids he didn't like.  He would sit on his front porch on the third floor of a friend's tenement with an m-16 rifle, drinking gin.  When they finally put him away, they found an arsenal in his flat, at least 50 guns and shelves of ammo.  There was no mention or indication he had ever actually fired them anywhere but on a range.

     

     

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

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    But, in both cases, if you don't own one of the dangerous implements at all, you aren't required to pay. Even though you might still be killed by someone with one of those dangerous implements.

     That seems the most fair to me.



    Ok so, if someone can show they are never around firearms they should be exempt.

     

     
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    Most schools are "gun free zones" which is why most cowards attack them.

    Says you. 

    I tend to think the focus on any areas where large numbers of people are likely to congregate: schools, movie theatres, malls, offices, churches.




    All "gun free zones"!!

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

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    There was an armed guard at Columbine...

    And this guy was off duty.  A happy accident for those involved.  But hardly a plan for future action.

    I am sure Tvoter and the rest of the "good guy" gun crowd will willingly accept a ten dollar tax on all guns to defray the cost of a guard in every school to protect us from the "bad guy" gun crowd.




    Again, your focus is on penalizing the "good guy" gun crowd, with no thought of how to deter the "bad guy" gun crowd.

    But, that being said, i wouldn't mind a tax that was applied to defraying the cost of securing our schools.  An easier way to do it, however is to eliminate a teacher and hire a cop.  Probably a net gain for most schools.

     

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

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    There was an armed guard at Columbine...

    And this guy was off duty.  A happy accident for those involved.  But hardly a plan for future action.

    I am sure Tvoter and the rest of the "good guy" gun crowd will willingly accept a ten dollar tax on all guns to defray the cost of a guard in every school to protect us from the "bad guy" gun crowd.

     




     

     

     An easier way to do it, however is to eliminate a teacher and hire a cop.  Probably a net gain for most schools.

     



    Why not? Just get rid of teachers.After that, get rid  movie theater employees and replace them with swat teams. Lets just live in a military state.

     
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    Another.. tax.

     

    Surely we will never have enough taxes.



    Either we pay it in dollars or lives.

    Take your pick.

     

    I've always wondered how many pro-lifers are also against gun control...more cognitive dissonance....

     

     

     

     
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    Another.. tax. 

    Surely we will never have enough taxes.

    Either we pay it in dollars or lives.

    Take your pick. 

    I've always wondered how many pro-lifers are also against gun control...more cognitive dissonance.... 




    How many pro-abortion are against child abuse?

    Why is it a double murder to kill an expectant mother but, ok to kill the baby?

    Why is it that bacteria growing on mars would be considered "life" but, we can kill a unborn child?

    6 weeks

    Your baby now has a defined head and body, with limb buds appearing where the arms and legs will develop. The first heart beats begin. The baby is now an embryo. This is a most critical time in the baby’s development. During the next 2 weeks the brain, spinal cord, heart and most internal organs will develop. Tiny buds for milk teeth are forming in the jaw. The first signs of the kidneys are apparent and the umbilical cord starts to develop.

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

    In response to tvoter's comment:

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    In response to NO MO O's comment: 

    Another.. tax. 

    Surely we will never have enough taxes.

    Either we pay it in dollars or lives.

    Take your pick. 

    I've always wondered how many pro-lifers are also against gun control...more cognitive dissonance.... 

     




    How many pro-abortion are against child abuse?

     

    Why is it a double murder to kill an expectant mother but, ok to kill the baby?

    Why is it that bacteria growing on mars would be considered "life" but, we can kill a unborn child?

    6 weeks

    Your baby now has a defined head and body, with limb buds appearing where the arms and legs will develop. The first heart beats begin. The baby is now an embryo. This is a most critical time in the baby’s development. During the next 2 weeks the brain, spinal cord, heart and most internal organs will develop. Tiny buds for milk teeth are forming in the jaw. The first signs of the kidneys are apparent and the umbilical cord starts to develop.



    Because it's an embryo, not a baby.

    And what business is it of yours, anyway?  

    All pro-choicers are against child abuse.  Abortion is the ultimate cure against a child being born into a world that doesn't want it and could care less whether it lives or dies.

    Pro-lifers only care about babies in the womb.  Outside of that, they couldn't give a sh*t, especially if it's brown, poor, disabled, or mentally ill.  To them, it's just an excuse to build another prison to keep that kid's family in.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Armed guard disarms would be school killer!

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    In response to NO MO O's comment: 

    Another.. tax. 

    Surely we will never have enough taxes.

    Either we pay it in dollars or lives.

    Take your pick. 

    I've always wondered how many pro-lifers are also against gun control...more cognitive dissonance.... 

     




    How many pro-abortion are against child abuse?

     

    Why is it a double murder to kill an expectant mother but, ok to kill the baby?

    Why is it that bacteria growing on mars would be considered "life" but, we can kill a unborn child?

    6 weeks

    Your baby now has a defined head and body, with limb buds appearing where the arms and legs will develop. The first heart beats begin. The baby is now an embryo. This is a most critical time in the baby’s development. During the next 2 weeks the brain, spinal cord, heart and most internal organs will develop. Tiny buds for milk teeth are forming in the jaw. The first signs of the kidneys are apparent and the umbilical cord starts to develop.



    No one is "pro-abortion".  That is a right wing lie intended only to make a difficult situation even more difficult.  People are "pro-choice".  In a similar vein, I am sure that you are unwilling to accept being called "pro-coathanger"...

    The country is just as split on guns as it is on abortion.  And yet conservatives are fairly adamant that government should stay away from the property right to guns, but are willing to restrict or eliminate a personal liberty/privacy right to a medical decision.  Which is more important?  Owning and using property or controlling your own body?

    And you can argue about what is the definition of "life", but it is fairly clear what a "gun" is and what it is intended for...

     
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    Because it's an embryo, not a baby.

    And what business is it of yours, anyway?  

    All pro-choicers are against child abuse.  Abortion is the ultimate cure against a child being born into a world that doesn't want it and could care less whether it lives or dies.

    Pro-lifers only care about babies in the womb.  Outside of that, they couldn't give a sh*t, especially if it's brown, poor, disabled, or mentally ill.  To them, it's just an excuse to build another prison to keep that kid's family in. 


    "Pro-choicers are ALL against child abuse"

    Pro-lifers ALL dont give a shlt about babies

    what a tool!

    Thanks for proving my theory!

     
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    No one is "pro-abortion".  That is a right wing lie intended only to make a difficult situation even more difficult.  People are "pro-choice".  In a similar vein, I am sure that you are unwilling to accept being called "pro-coathanger"...




    Pro-abortion = Promotes legal abortion

    Pro-life = Promotes LIFE at every stage from conception

     
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    Because it's an embryo, not a baby.

    And what business is it of yours, anyway?  

    All pro-choicers are against child abuse.  Abortion is the ultimate cure against a child being born into a world that doesn't want it and could care less whether it lives or dies.

    Pro-lifers only care about babies in the womb.  Outside of that, they couldn't give a sh*t, especially if it's brown, poor, disabled, or mentally ill.  To them, it's just an excuse to build another prison to keep that kid's family in. 

     

     

     

    "Pro-choicers are ALL against child abuse"

    Pro-lifers ALL dont give a shlt about babies

    what a tool!

    Thanks for proving my theory!



    Of course, they're against child abuse.  Why on earth would they want children to go hungry and live in squalor and go without health insurance, good schools, and safe neighborhoods...??  Why would they want them discriminated against for being gay or colored or muslim...or imprisoned en masse for piddling offenses?  

    Only a hard-harded cretin would want any of that, right?

    Did you know that Citizens United has filed to end de-segregation and to allow discrimination against anyone and anything any time they feel like it?  On Constitutional grounds, they say.  Yeah, these right-wing c*nts are all heart, aren't they...??

     

    Don't you know the difference between 'promoting' safe, legal abortions...

    and believing the choice is LEGALLY up to the mother and noone else...??

    Which part don't you get..??

     

     
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    Pro-life = Promotes LIFE at every stage from conception



    Right, except when born, then they're on their own.

    Hypocrites.

     

     
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    Of course, they're against child abuse.  Why on earth would they want children to go hungry and live in squalor and go without health insurance, good schools, and safe neighborhoods...??  Why would they want them discriminated against for being gay or colored or muslim...or imprisoned en masse for piddling offenses?  

    Only a hard-harded cretin would want any of that, right?

    Did you know that Citizens United has filed to end de-segregation and to allow discrimination against anyone and anything any time they feel like it?  On Constitutional grounds, they say.  Yeah, these right-wing c*nts are all heart, aren't they...?? 

    Don't you know the difference between 'promoting' safe, legal abortions...

    and believing the choice is LEGALLY up to the mother and noone else...??

    Which part don't you get..?? 




    I do not follow citizens united nor do I believe they speak for any majority just as the people at Planned parenthood instructing minors how to work the system for illegal abortions represent all prochoicers!!!

    Your dishonest rant about some one wanting children go hungry die and live in squalor is just reprehensible and shows your shallow mentality.

    good day cretin!

     

     
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    Of course, they're against child abuse.  Why on earth would they want children to go hungry and live in squalor and go without health insurance, good schools, and safe neighborhoods...??  Why would they want them discriminated against for being gay or colored or muslim...or imprisoned en masse for piddling offenses?  

     

    Only a hard-harded cretin would want any of that, right?

    Did you know that Citizens United has filed to end de-segregation and to allow discrimination against anyone and anything any time they feel like it?  On Constitutional grounds, they say.  Yeah, these right-wing c*nts are all heart, aren't they...?? 

    Don't you know the difference between 'promoting' safe, legal abortions...

    and believing the choice is LEGALLY up to the mother and noone else...??

    Which part don't you get..?? 

     




     

    I do not follow citizens united nor do I believe they speak for any majority just as the people at Planned parenthood instructing minors how to work the system for illegal abortions represent all prochoicers!!!

    Your dishonest rant about some one wanting children go hungry die and live in squalor is just reprehensible and shows your shallow mentality.

    good day cretin!

     



    Truth sukkks, don't it, pardner..?

    Those same so-called 'conservatives' picketing abortion clinics are the same one who cut food stamps and medicaid and school funding and public assistance of all kinds...who hate immigrants, gays and minorities...

    ...oh, and they also cut funding for women's health programs for expectant mothers..!!!!

    WTF!!!

     

    So, explain that one away, you monkey teat of a man, you....

     

     

     
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