Arrogant Obama describes global warming doubters at "Flat Earthers"

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    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:

    "We Create a Better World"

    Who is "we"? Corrupt UN bureaucrats?
    Beware of wolves in sheep clothing promising a "Better World" !  I will keep my freedom and sovereignty, thanks anyway....

     
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    "We Create a Better World"

     

    Excellent example of the kind of thinking that emanates from the "strong on feeling soft on facts" crowd.

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    Excellent example of the "leave a world for our children worse off than the way we inherited it" crowd.

    Thanks for making my point!

     

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    That's more or less 100% incorrect, and proves just how accurate Obama's label is for you hopeless tools.

    I suppose you think vaccines cause autism. After all, there was one discredit putz who claimed it and "consensus in science is bullbleep."

    I know you'll never admit it, but you know perfectly well that you have absolutely no ground to dispute the actual science. You're just parroting your masters' statements because you are already convinced that liberals are stupidpoopoofacedummyheads. As long as the thing aimed at them is negative, you're 100% behind it.



    Question for you:

    How much does mankind actually contribute to global warming?

     

     

     
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    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-hans-von-storch-on-problems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html

    Climate Expert von Storch: Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?

     

    SPIEGEL: Just since the turn of the millennium, humanity has emitted another 400 billion metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, yet temperatures haven't risen in nearly 15 years. What can explain this?

    Storch: So far, no one has been able to provide a compelling answer to why climate change seems to be taking a break. We're facing a puzzle. Recent CO2 emissions have actually risen even more steeply than we feared. As a result, according to most climate models, we should have seen temperatures rise by around 0.25 degrees Celsius (0.45 degrees Fahrenheit) over the past 10 years. That hasn't happened. In fact, the increase over the last 15 years was just 0.06 degrees Celsius (0.11 degrees Fahrenheit) -- a value very close to zero. This is a serious scientific problem that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will have to confront when it presents its next Assessment Report late next year.

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    SPIEGEL: How long will it still be possible to reconcile such a pause in global warming with established climate forecasts?

    Storch: If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.

    SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?

    Storch: There are two conceivable explanations -- and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn't mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.

    SPIEGEL: That sounds quite embarrassing for your profession, if you have to go back and adjust your models to fit with reality…

    Storch: Why? That's how the process of scientific discovery works. There is no last word in research, and that includes climate research. It's never the truth that we offer, but only our best possible approximation of reality. But that often gets forgotten in the way the public perceives and describes our work.

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    SB: Key Word: "Models".

    Right. But you can't really design an experiment to test something as immensely complex as the environment of an entire planet, at least not at our current level of technology. Therefore, given a theory like AGW, models are the only way to try to predict future environmental changes based on the theory.

    In either case, it works the same way. If you have a testable theory you design an experiment to test it. If the results do not match what the theory predicts you generally toss the theory and try to come up with a tnew one. Similarly, if the predictions of a model based on a theory do not match subsequent observations you need to, at a minimum, adjust the theory or even toss it in favor of something that fits reality.

    I have no doubt that there are "conservatives" that wouldn't change their minds about AGW even if presented with undistputable fact. On the other hand, it's pretty clear to me that AWG has a lot of proponents that couldn't give a ats rass whether or not the theory is valid. For them, it's just another usefiul tool to promote political change and that's no way to run a scientific endeavor.

     

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    Duh, Gee Tennessee, I don't know.

    Not even Mr. Whoopee knows the answer to that question!

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    Since no one knows to what extent man made global warming is affecting climate change then why would we want to hurt our economy and let the rest of the industrialized nations SOME WHO EMIT MORE THAN US run over us at a time when we are flailing economically anyway?

    Imho Obama was just grandstanding and playing to the "GW alarmists" that he has been widely ignoring

     

     
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    That's funny right there.  You probably really think that big government creates a better world.

     
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    "We Create a Better World"

     

    Excellent example of the kind of thinking that emanates from the "strong on feeling soft on facts" crowd.

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    Excellent example of the "leave a world for our children worse off than the way we inherited it" crowd.

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    I think Obama's got that metric covered.  By the time our children have grandchildren, an orange is going to be an exotic Christmas, er, "solstice day" present.  all due to Obama fundamentally transforming our country into a third world experience.

     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTSE3jE_49U

     
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    What does America have to show for the billions of taxpayer dollars spent to stop climate change? Is the climate better now because of 20 years of throwing money at it?

    The issue is the climate, not the loads of exorbitantly expensive subsidy scandals, secretive scientists and bureaucratic claptrap we've generated to allegedly stop climate change. The question is, did the claptrap make the climate better?

    Not if you heard President Obama's Georgetown University speech Tuesday or read his 21-page Climate Action Plan. He's back in 1993 with global doom propaganda, deceptive temperature claims, demonized fossil fuels and ridiculously ineffective climate fixes. In 2013 reality, did our 20 years of panicky billions buy a better climate?

    Big Green doesn't want that question asked, much less answered. If the climate improved, their cash registers would fall silent and their followers snore loudly.

    Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told me, "The centerpiece of President Obama's climate plan is a declaration of all-out war on coal. The only affordable way to reduce emissions from existing coal-fired power plants - which now provide 40 percent of the nation's electricity - is to close them down."

    Obama's plan has political implications as well, Ebell said. "Coal dominates the heartland states that tend to vote Republican. Major industries are located there because coal produces cheap electricity. If electric rates go up to California levels in the heartland, where will American manufacturing go?"

    Ebell added that "Obama is pursuing his anti-energy agenda undemocratically through executive actions that bypass the people's elected representatives in Congress."

    Autocrat Obama is also doing it without learning from the European Union's green energy experience: skyrocketing energy prices, a ruinous slide into fuel poverty, solar panel financial meltdown, wind power bankruptcies and the specter of EU disintegration. As a result, the EU suffered an outbreak of realism.

    In May, Europe's heads of state and government at the EU Summit promoted shale gas and reduced energy prices. They would rather promote competition than stop global warming.

    Obama just returned from Northern Ireland at the G8 meeting where he evidently didn't ask why the United Kingdom removed climate change from the agenda.

    European carbon markets had collapsed with the price of carbon hitting record lows, wrecking the European Union's trading scheme for industrial CO2 emissions.

    British Gas owner Centrica was buying up shale gas drilling rights in Lancashire for fracking operations. Green investors faced bankruptcy as Spain cut subsidies even further.

    Large German companies such as Siemens and Bosch abandoned the solar industry, which had lost them billions, while investments in failed solar companies, including Q-Cells and SolarWorld, destroyed 21 billion euros of capital.

    In response, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told a June energy conference in Berlin to expect reduced government spending on energy like wind and solar power to keep Germany economically competitive. Europe's clean energy economy had become a black hole eating euros.

    Last week, Merkel's government warned EU member states that German car makers would shut down production in their countries unless they support more affordable vehicle emissions rules.

    At the same time, our oblivious president spoke at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, saying, "The United States will "do more," before it's "too late" to prevent "dangerous" global warming.

    The tepid crowd of Berliners seemed to wonder what cave he'd been living in. The London Telegraph ran headlines saying, "Barack Obama bombs in Berlin: a weak, underwhelming address from a floundering president."

    Now the president is pulling America into the same climate pit. Mr. President, stop acting like the Sierra Club's sock puppet.

     

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