Barney Franke "Obama shouldn't have lied"

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    Barney Franke "Obama shouldn't have lied"

    About Ocare , 


    cannot wait to hear you libs spin this one


     


    of course he voted for it


    guess he listened to Pelosi and passed it to find out what was in it


    .coz being a Harvard lawyer he couknt understand it rofl

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    You mean Barney "There's nothing wrong with the housing market" Frank? What, did he suddenly develop a conscience? Honestly, given the damage that can be directly attributed to him during his career, I don't think he should be flapping his mouth.

     

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    Re: Barney Franke

    This is one article about the the topic this thread is about. It fills out Barney Frank said Obama should not have lied. 

     

     

    Barney Frank 'Appalled' By Obama Administration: 'They Just Lied To People'
    Posted: 08/01/2014 



    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama made a major political mistake by lying about the details of his health care plan, according to former House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.).

    "The rollout was so bad, and I was appalled -- I don't understand how the president could have sat there and not been checking on that on a weekly basis," Frank told HuffPost during a July interview. "But frankly, he should never have said as much as he did, that if you like your current health care plan, you can keep it. That wasn't true. And you shouldn't lie to people. And they just lied to people."

    Obama has taken significant flak in conservative circles for claiming that his health care overhaul would allow all existing health care plans to continue, when, in fact, new consumer protection standards would require some people to sign up for more comprehensive insurance. The law provides government subsidies to help people of modest means pay for the more robust plans. Frank is a strong supporter of the law, and he has repeatedly defended Obama and his legislative agenda.

    "He should have said, 'Look, in some cases the health care plans that you've got are really inadequate, and in your own interests, we're going to change them,'" Frank said. "But that's not what he said."

    A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that Obamacare continues to be widely misunderstood, with a majority of Americans unaware that the law allows consumers to choose between different private sector health plans. Lying about how the consumer protection standards would function, Frank said, created an unnecessary circus around a program that would help people get better coverage.

    "Any smart political adviser would have said, 'Don't lie to people, because you're gonna get caught up in it and it's gonna have this tsunami that you now have,'" Frank told HuffPost. "My political motto, very simple. I have always told the truth, and nothing but the truth. But I don't volunteer the whole truth in every situation.

     

     

     

     http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/barney-frank-obama-lie_n_5642132.html

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    HuffPost is an official Obama rumpswabber media outlet..
    "Obamacare continues to be ...misunderstood"...Awwwww, really?

    Truth is, despite years of liberal lies about it, ObamaCare is understood as what it is, and more unpopular than ever.

    Barney : "In your own interest, we are going to change [your health care plan]"

    Classic progressive talking point...like Government knows what is good for you! What Barney really meant  : "in the interest of Government coercion, we are going to steal from you your current plan and force you to pay more for less and subsidize others"

     

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....and instead argue that Obamacare is nothing more than front for increasing the amount of "government coercion" in the abstract.

    An ideological delusion.

     
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    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....

    ok.

     

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    Re: Barney Franke

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    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....and instead argue that Obamacare is nothing more than front for increasing the amount of "government coercion" in the abstract.


    An ideological delusion.


    ok.


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    The misquote was cute, but, fixed it for you.

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

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    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....and instead argue that Obamacare is nothing more than front for increasing the amount of "government coercion" in the abstract.


    An ideological delusion.




    The ideological delusion is that government can and should run health care. It is unconstitutional and unworkable. It is pure coercion, nothing else.


    Read the Wall Street Journal today. Some good evidence that it is unworkable.

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

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    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....and instead argue that Obamacare is nothing more than front for increasing the amount of "government coercion" in the abstract.


     


    An ideological delusion.


     


     




    The ideological delusion is that government can and should run health care. It is unconstitutional and unworkable. It is pure coercion, nothing else.


     


     


    Read the Wall Street Journal today. Some good evidence that it is unworkable.


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    Its even more unworkable when they hire ex cons to over see peoples personal info. I think every lib should be forced onto the exchange so their info can be stolen, and they can pay more. But for them it's only good for the other guy

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

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    HuffPost is an official Obama rumpswabber media outlet..
    "Obamacare continues to be ...misunderstood"...Awwwww, really?


    Truth is, despite years of liberal lies about it, ObamaCare is understood as what it is, and more unpopular than ever.


    Barney : "In your own interest, we are going to change [your health care plan]"


    Classic progressive talking point...like Government knows what is good for you! What Barney really meant  : "in the interest of Government coercion, we are going to steal from you your current plan and force you to pay more for less and subsidize others"


     



    CLC,


    I should have written, This is the article about the topic of this thread...not one of the articles...since it was HuffPost that got the interview from Barney Frank in July which led to this article on August 1st.


    What posters may be ignoring is Frank is a strong supporter of Obamacare. Just from the outside looking in, Frank is criticizing things Obama did along the way. But the ACA did not happen on Frank's watch, which was a long watch. It is always easy to criticize with 20/20 hindsight.


    We should also not ignore this. A recent Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that Obamacare continues to be widely misunderstood, with a majority of Americans unaware that the law allows consumers to choose between different private sector health plans. Also, the law provides government subsidies to help people of modest means pay for the more robust plans. 


    Frank is entitled to his opinion. Everybody has got one. But in the end the ACA is also known as Obamacare...not Frankcare.


     

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:


    It takes a seriously twisted paranoid mind to not argue that Obama genuinely wanted to improve health care but messed up....and instead argue that Obamacare is nothing more than front for increasing the amount of "government coercion" in the abstract.


    An ideological delusion.




    Obamacare is largely not about healthcare, but mostly about healthcare insurance.


    Even before Obamacare, government so heavily regulated healthcare and dominated the industry through, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, the Dept of HEALTH and Human Services, the FDA, CDC, etc. that to argue there is some sort of "conspiracy" about "government coercion" is ridiculous.


    Do you know what IDC10 is?


    Have you heard of HIPAA? 


    Conspiracy????? 


    It has been REALITY for decades.


    I would not say your mind is twisted, but really just LAZY.

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    It's always funny to me when one politician accuses another one of lying. Kind of like a Pot and Kettle situation if you know what I mean.

     

    Frank is right though...the ACA rollout was handled about as poorly as it could have been...and Obama should never have told people that they could keep their health insurance plan if they liked it.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    Obamacare is largely not about healthcare, but mostly about healthcare insurance.

    Even before Obamacare, government so heavily regulated healthcare and dominated the industry through, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, the Dept of HEALTH and Human Services, the FDA, CDC, etc. that to argue there is some sort of "conspiracy" about "government coercion" is ridiculous.

    Exactly. To argue that there is a government conspiracy to coerce for coercion's sake is ridiculous.

    Do you know what IDC10 is?

    Have you heard of HIPAA? 

    Conspiracy????? 

    It has been REALITY for decades.

    What has? The existence of privacy regulations that prevent health care providers from sharing your info with any random person that asks - HIPAA?

    I would not say your mind is twisted, but really just LAZY.

    If you think Obamacare's purpose is more coercion for the sake of coercing, I would say your mind is both LAZY and TWISTED. Seriously twisted.

    What...Obama's rubbing his hands together and salvating at the thought of tweaking a bronze plan?

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    Re: Barney Franke


    This discussion is sooo convoluted

    Ocare is miserably written and miserably inplemented. 30 plus times O has himself changed the law- no one else.  Of course Ocare isnt about the quality of health care It has always been about money, who pays,what is covered- and medical review ( Death Panels for some) panels. To say that Ocare isnt about control - is well , Kool Aid drinking. Ask yourself one question, what is the best way to control people? Through therie money

    Then too, it was always to be a step to a one payer system. The feds decie what has to be covered, some not in the legislation but by Hhs regulations. The Hobby Lobby case was a prime example. And we have o on tape saying that very thing

    Lastly, one of Alinski's rules for radicals is to control people's health care, And O is an A student in Alinski's Community Organizing template.

    so those whoi dont think it isabout control or just insurance , please take your head out of your****

     

     
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    Re: Barney Franke

    In response to seawolfxs' comment:
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    This discussion is sooo convoluted

    Ocare is miserably written and miserably inplemented. 30 plus times O has himself changed the law- no one else.  Of course Ocare isnt about the quality of health care It has always been about money, who pays,what is covered- and medical review ( Death Panels for some) panels. To say that Ocare isnt about control - is well , Kool Aid drinking. Ask yourself one question, what is the best way to control people? Through therie money

    Then too, it was always to be a step to a one payer system. The feds decie what has to be covered, some not in the legislation but by Hhs regulations. The Hobby Lobby case was a prime example. And we have o on tape saying that very thing

    Lastly, one of Alinski's rules for radicals is to control people's health care, And O is an A student in Alinski's Community Organizing template.

    so those whoi dont think it isabout control or just insurance , please take your head out of your****

     

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    Do you think politicians are just making it up as they go along? You don't think they use medical review boards to help figure out what should and should not be covered? ( hint - are more services or less services covered since the implementation of Obamacare?) Do you think services should be covered that provide no medical benefit to the patient? Sorry for the questions, but I am just trying to get a sense of what you think a healthcare system in a modern industrialized nation should look like.

     
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    This discussion is sooo convoluted

     

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    Thanks for getting the discussion back on track.

     
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    Re: Barney Frank


    As in everything the Gov does -


    1) It should have laws and regulations with bright lines


    2) the gov should run the roads not field the corn.


     


    3) Here - all the things they want in a plan are fine - but they cannot mandate so one gove its all - it just wont work


    4) Why dont we have group rates for small business banding together?- or other buying groups?


    5) Why can't we go across state lines to buy Med Ins - we do or all other Ins.


    6) What about tort laws not gerared for the lawyers and prevent so much deensive medicine?


    7) Somethinghas to be doen to get the medical schools, training, Dollars and clinics get more synergy


    8) For the people who fall thru the cracks it is Welfare last not first - here they stole from Medicare to prop up more medicare and others.


    I am sure there are others - I am not a policy wonk, but what we have is a disaster of disasters and just wait for next year - it s already going to hemorage $, ins companies will get money and then O will blame them for the disaster


    The libs have found the way to change the laws and rules making private business be the bearer of bad news and price increases , when in act it is Gov messing everything up


    Almost all of the ideas above were on the table - but it didnt fit the Dem and O agenda. Instead we got a guy who embarrassed Ryan (after showing that he, O knew squat) And then gives the BS statement that he is willing to work with anyone who has good ideas - All bunk - it is O's way or the Highway- and O is always wrong- He has never run anything and it shows.


     


     


     


     


      

     
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