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    Look at those idiots, so upset over the election that they apparently thought they were above rules and regulations which govern their employment. 

    Here's a reality check to all of easily angered, offended, and ignorant mouth breathing hordes who think that is socially acceptable to post inflammatory messages on social media websites:  Your words may get you fired from your job, may get you in trouble with your school, or otherwise lead to you being ostracized in a way that detrimentally impacts your life. 

    At least these people were so far gone that they ran over their spouse with a car like that woman in Arizona did to her husband. 

    Ah, what I am talking about.  These are acceptable ways to behave in a civilized society. 

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    A high school teacher in Columbus, Ohio is under investigation after he posted what some considered an anti-Obama message on his personal Facebook page.

    “Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON,” the unidentified teacher wrote.

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    Yeah, those sound like the rantings of a person totally equipped to help the children he is supposed to be serving.

     
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    Unprofessional to say the least. Most school systems place strict guidelines on what their employees can and cannot say via social media. Talking about students in a disparaging manner is generally not permitted.

    FYI- Freedom of speech applies to government action not employee action.

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    Socially acceptable ? By whose standards sir? Yours?

    Our words away from the workplace are now fair game by our employers?

    Yeah.. the thought police are here. So much for freedom of speech.

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    They absolutely are...and more so if one is a public employee and, indeed, a public school teacher.

    If your social network profile contains your company's name or logo, the company can set policies regarding those exchanges.

    So, your "thought police" comment is both incorrect and hysterical.

     

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    Look at those idiots, so upset over the election that they apparently thought they were above rules and regulations which govern their employment. 

    Here's a reality check to all of easily angered, offended, and ignorant mouth breathing hordes who think that is socially acceptable to post inflammatory messages on social media websites:  Your words may get you fired from your job, may get you in trouble with your school, or otherwise lead to you being ostracized in a way that detrimentally impacts your life. 

    iety. 

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    Socially acceptable ? By whose standards sir? Yours?

    Our words away from the workplace are now fair game by our employers?

    Yeah.. the thought police are here. So much for freedom of speech.

     

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    You feel that way because you don't understand what Freedom of Speech entails, what is protected, etc.  This is a common mistake children make when they are punished for saying or writing things.  They scream "but I have freedom of speech!" and of course they are correct, they have the freedom that the GOVERNMENT may not infringe up their right to speak. 

    But here is the kicker, freedom of speech can be and is oftern infringed upon when a person agrees to limitations that are common in:  Attending a school with a conduct policy, accepting a job with a company that has conduct policies, etc.  In fact, probably everyone on this forum has agreed to limitations on their freedom of speech by doing very basic things like attending an education institution or working for a company or other organization. 

    So you see, this isn't about the mythical thought police this is literally about reactionary morons, who should have known better, letting their emotions get the better of them and in the process cast a negative light on themselves and their employers.  People have been fired for behavior on social media websites for badmouthing their company, their fellow employees, or engaging in behavior that was deemed reprehensible in some way that their company fired the person even though it had nothing to with their job.  recall the gentleman who went to a Chick Fil A and harrased a worker about their discrimination policy, he was fired from his job as CFO even though his company was not impacted in anyway.  I seem to recall people such as yourself cheerleading that decision.  Why were you not concerned about freedom of speech then?

     
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    You feel that way because you don't understand what Freedom of Speech entails, what is protected, etc.  This is a common mistake children make when they are punished for saying or writing things.  They scream "but I have freedom of speech!" and of course they are correct, they have the freedom that the GOVERNMENT may not infringe up their right to speak. 

    But here is the kicker, freedom of speech can be and is oftern infringed upon when a person agrees to limitations that are common in:  Attending a school with a conduct policy, accepting a job with a company that has conduct policies, etc.  In fact, probably everyone on this forum has agreed to limitations on their freedom of speech by doing very basic things like attending an education institution or working for a company or other organization. 

    So you see, this isn't about the mythical thought police this is literally about reactionary morons, who should have known better, letting their emotions get the better of them and in the process cast a negative light on themselves and their employers.  People have been fired for behavior on social media websites for badmouthing their company, their fellow employees, or engaging in behavior that was deemed reprehensible in some way that their company fired the person even though it had nothing to with their job.  recall the gentleman who went to a Chick Fil A and harrased a worker about their discrimination policy, he was fired from his job as CFO even though his company was not impacted in anyway.  I seem to recall people such as yourself cheerleading that decision.  Why were you not concerned about freedom of speech then?

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    This issue is no simple one.  Remember, the school is the government.  This is political speech (our most protected) and it is outside of school.  Attack the students or school directly and that impacts your ability to teach.  Make a point on general political issues that some students or the school don't like that may or may not impact the abiity to teach.  Teachers can have opinions can't they?  This will keep the lawyers busy for sure.

     
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    “Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON,” the unidentified teacher wrote.

    The whining rantings of an unhinged loser. Fire him/her. Get them away from children. 

     
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    You feel that way because you don't understand what Freedom of Speech entails, what is protected, etc.  This is a common mistake children make when they are punished for saying or writing things.  They scream "but I have freedom of speech!" and of course they are correct, they have the freedom that the GOVERNMENT may not infringe up their right to speak. 

    But here is the kicker, freedom of speech can be and is oftern infringed upon when a person agrees to limitations that are common in:  Attending a school with a conduct policy, accepting a job with a company that has conduct policies, etc.  In fact, probably everyone on this forum has agreed to limitations on their freedom of speech by doing very basic things like attending an education institution or working for a company or other organization. 

    So you see, this isn't about the mythical thought police this is literally about reactionary morons, who should have known better, letting their emotions get the better of them and in the process cast a negative light on themselves and their employers.  People have been fired for behavior on social media websites for badmouthing their company, their fellow employees, or engaging in behavior that was deemed reprehensible in some way that their company fired the person even though it had nothing to with their job.  recall the gentleman who went to a Chick Fil A and harrased a worker about their discrimination policy, he was fired from his job as CFO even though his company was not impacted in anyway.  I seem to recall people such as yourself cheerleading that decision.  Why were you not concerned about freedom of speech then?

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    This issue is no simple one.  Remember, the school is the government.  This is political speech (our most protected) and it is outside of school.  Attack the students or school directly and that impacts your ability to teach.  Make a point on general political issues that some students or the school don't like that may or may not impact the abiity to teach.  Teachers can have opinions can't they?  This will keep the lawyers busy for sure.

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    In one of the above instances, the teacher did directly attack students.  The other did not, and is still working albeit under investigation.  I don't think the issue is whether teachers can have and express political opinions, its abundantly clear that they can and do.  But where you have a teacher using a student as an example in a heated political diatribe, posted in a public space, where the teacher may have links back to the school that employs him/her, and where the teacher is expected to fairly evaluate that same student in an academic context, that is problematic.  Certainly it merits a closer look at what happened and that is precisely what is happening. 

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:
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    sO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINIONS.. ON EITHER SIDE OF AN ISSUE BUT... EXPRESSING THEM MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH.. OR EMPLOYMENT

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    You have no speech rights in a place of employment.  

     
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    In one of the above instances, the teacher did directly attack students.  The other did not, and is still working albeit under investigation.  I don't think the issue is whether teachers can have and express political opinions, its abundantly clear that they can and do.  But where you have a teacher using a student as an example in a heated political diatribe, posted in a public space, where the teacher may have links back to the school that employs him/her, and where the teacher is expected to fairly evaluate that same student in an academic context, that is problematic.  Certainly it merits a closer look at what happened and that is precisely what is happening. 

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    A soon as you badmouth a student or school publicly you are in trouble.  And social media is public.  It is quite problematic if you have general political viewpoints (outside of school) that someone in authority objects to. 

     
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