Before the deniers copy/paste the "corrected" (read: still misleading) denier article....

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    lol, still in denial I see. nice bloggers explanation btw!

     
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    "Globe swelters through 5th-warmest summer on record. "

    So short term weather is irrelevant to proof of man-caused climate change...unless it is in your favor.

    And the "Globe" is quite a diverse entity, sint it?

    North America had quite a cool summer...hurricanes and tornadoes were at record lows....oops, sorry, to mention that is "science denying"...

     
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    lmao!

     
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    The conspiracy nut anti-science deniers have taken over Australia!!

    Conservatives won an election largely based on repealing an onerous "carbon tax" ....let that be a lesson to the leftist green zealots here...

    On energy policy, new PM Abbott plans to order officials to draft legislation that would repeal the carbon tax imposed on the country’s biggest greenhouse gas emitters. The tax has been attacked over its impact on household power bills since it was first levied from July 2012.

    Abbott would remove the tax from July 2014 if the Parliament passes his legislative agenda.

    From Wednesday, the Clean Energy Finance Corp., a 10 billion Australian dollar ($9.4 billion) government fund to finance low-pollution technologies, will be barred from making any further loans."

     
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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:
    "August was the 342nd consecutive month (which is more than 28 years) with an above-average global temperature."

     

    Yet overall global temperatures have not risen since 1998...correct? Global warming scientists' computer models predicted global temperatures would skyrocket, correct? They were wrong, correct?

    Heh, heh, heh... selective ignorance is not very convincing.

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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "Globe swelters through 5th-warmest summer on record. "

    So short term weather is irrelevant to proof of man-caused climate change...unless it is in your favor.

    And the "Globe" is quite a diverse entity, sint it?

    North America had quite a cool summer...hurricanes and tornadoes were at record lows....oops, sorry, to mention that is "science denying"...



    The "record" is decidedly not short-term.  Then you shoot the messenger and throw out a strawman.

    You lose.  Again.

     

     

     
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    USA won't be number 1 for long, and it has everything to do with the tvoters and CLCS in this country.



    As far as recognized and respected as a world leader the USA has dropped behind France, and Russia in the last few years!

     
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    There is a tradition in politics that is similar to one in the legal profession: When evidence supports your position, make your argument based on the evidence, but when it argues against your position, ignore the evidence and appeal to emotion.

    The evidence is piling up that “climate change,” formerly known as “global warming,” is losing evidentiary support, despite recent “preliminary findings” by a group of “experts” from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that a Washington Post editorial suggests may prove, “warming has boosted the chances, in some cases significantly, that certain unwelcome weather or weather-related disasters will occur.” The Post and other “true believers” ignore or ridicule a growing body of evidence rebutting their beliefs.

    Most bad weather — from hurricanes, which have been few this season, to tornadoes — are unwelcome by those in their paths, but these weather phenomena have existed for centuries. Both sides seem to agree that CO2 levels are elevated, but they don’t agree on whether that will cause dangerous climate change, including rising temperatures and turbulent weather. The Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC) argues, “The human effect is likely to be small relative to natural variability, and whatever small warming is likely to occur will produce benefits as well as costs.”

    Yet the climate change cultists continue to focus on melting polar ice caps and “displaced” polar bears as part of their emotional appeal for government to “fix” the problem. Now comes a report in the UK Daily Mail that “eminent scientists” have observed a record return of the Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60 percent in a year, covering with ice almost 1 million more square miles of ocean than in 2012.

    In 2007, the BBC reported that by 2013, global warming would leave the Arctic "ice free." Oops!

    Just how silly this is getting is an assertion by some activists that the current tensions in Syria might be linked to climate change. That’s not as harebrained as a newspaper report in January 1933, which said, “Yo-Yo Banned in Syria, Blamed for Drought by Moslems.” The Syrians of 1933 actually believed the up and down of a toy yo-yo affected the weather. If it went down and sprang right back up, rain. If it went down and didn’t spring up, drought. Police reportedly patrolled the streets, confiscating the toy.

    Ridiculous? Not as ridiculous as some of the junk science coming out of climate research circles today.

    Last March, the Daily Mail reported that global temperatures are about to drop “below the level that the [computer] models forecast with ‘90 percent certainty.’ ”

    Marc Morano, a former staff member of the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (whose web page climatedepot.com offers numerous scientific articles debunking climate change), emails me: “As a long observer of the global weather movement, I can say that the events of 2013 [have] been one of the most devastating to the movement. Both poles have record expanding ice. Global temperatures have failed to rise for 15 plus years, sea level rise is failing to accelerate, tornadoes are at record lows, hurricanes are near record low activity. … 2013 may be the year in which man-made global warming fears enter the dustbin of history.”

    I doubt it. Too many people have too much invested in perpetuating this fiction.

    Billions of dollars and other currencies have been diverted into “green” projects in a Chicken Little attempt to stop the sky from falling. The BBC reports it as fact in virtually every story it does on the environment. Ditto the American media. Most media ignore evidence that counters climate change proponents.

    Former Vice President Al Gore has made a personal fortune promoting the cult of global warming, a cult being partially defined as a belief system that ignores proof contrary to its beliefs.

    Perhaps the climate change counter-revolutionaries should adopt the yo-yo as their symbol and send Gore and his apostles a box of them.

    Read more: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/09/19/climate_change_ice-capped_119998.html#ixzz2fL9ejnRr
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    USA won't be number 1 for long, and it has everything to do with the tvoters and CLCS in this country.



    It has much to do now with a focus on income re-distribution rather than enabling the private sector to grow. Throw in some corporate cronyism where the big boys can make more money bribing government than investing in new products and services and I think that is pretty much it.

     
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    This debate is a good distraction from the real world of solutions to the problem.

    Reducing global CO2 is a useless exercise. It won't have any impact on natural causes. Plus it is impossible to implement on a timeframe that is useful. 

    WDYWN wants us to belive rounding up 12 million illegal aliens is impossible (even though virtually no one with any power is proposing it) yet getting the world's nations to agree on CO2 emissions is worth pursuing when most of the world is in a currency war, shooting wars or economic competition.

    Riddle that one for me.

    The solutions to climate change are local. We need cheap alternative energy,  energy conservation, clean air and water (clean of REAL pollutants) and that will have more impact than wasting time trying to get the world to agree on CO2 emisions or implementing a job-killing carbon tax.

     
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    They're both possible. Any harm caused by 12 million illegals not being deported so they can cross right back in the next year is non-existent next to the long-term harm of global warming if we do nothing because....hey...it's hard.

    Secure the border first!


    There are plenty of easy wasy to reduce CO2 emissions, and mandates on MPG are a good start. The combustion engine can be improved quite a bit. There isn't an incentive without mandates because the cost of oil does not reflect its total economic harm.

    Wow, you are an expert in combustion engine design? 

    Gee that wasn't so tricky was it?

    It also wasn't very intelligent.




     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "Globe swelters through 5th-warmest summer on record. "

    So short term weather is irrelevant to proof of man-caused climate change...unless it is in your favor.

    And the "Globe" is quite a diverse entity, sint it?

    North America had quite a cool summer...hurricanes and tornadoes were at record lows....oops, sorry, to mention that is "science denying"...



    They are also denying the shortest Summer in the Artic in over a decade, and a massive build up of the ice cap.

    which is just peachy.  Now the polar bears, instead of drowning, are going to wander around our neighborhoods tipping over trash cans and being nuisances.

     
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    This debate is a good distraction from the real world of solutions to the problem.

    Reducing global CO2 is a useless exercise. It won't have any impact on natural causes. Plus it is impossible to implement on a timeframe that is useful. 

    WDYWN wants us to belive rounding up 12 million illegal aliens is impossible (even though virtually no one with any power is proposing it) yet getting the world's nations to agree on CO2 emissions is worth pursuing when most of the world is in a currency war, shooting wars or economic competition.

    Riddle that one for me.

     



    They're both possible. Any harm caused by 12 million illegals not being deported so they can cross right back in the next year is non-existent next to the long-term harm of global warming if we do nothing because....hey...it's hard.

     


    There are plenty of easy wasy to reduce CO2 emissions, and mandates on MPG are a good start. The combustion engine can be improved quite a bit. There isn't an incentive without mandates because the cost of oil does not reflect its total economic harm.

     

    No doubt, the next time this debate comes up, denierism will once again take the form of pretending to ask the same set of questions.

     

     

    Gee that wasn't so tricky was it?

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    Let's mandate that people can drive two miles a day.  That sounds like the perfect liberal solution to a non-existent problem. 

    And it will have no impact on the economy.  Hah!

     

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