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    A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate gave Biden the edge over Ryan by a 50%-31% margin.

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    Good luck! lol

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    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     
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    I thought Biden cleaned Ryan's clock, but he's more in line with my beliefs, so this might just be one of those debates where both sides think they won.

    That type of debate generally doesn't move the polls, but there are a few things that I think might influence voters coming out of the debate:

    1) Democrats are re-energized by seeing some fight from their side.   Obama was either tuned out or just trying not to cause a stir and put off undecided voters.   Biden came out swinging, and making the points we have been screaming at the TV.

    2) I think Biden connected with seniors, AKA Florida.  Romney kept hammering home the disingenuous $700 billion medicare cut claim, while Biden basically looked at seniors and said "are you really going to trust Repubicans over Democrats to protect an entitlement"?  If Obama gets Florida, the race is really over.

    3) Ryan opened the door to abortion legislation, which may prove to be a huge mistake.  It's easy to see this become a talking point, and that's going to bring out the more polarizing figures in the Republican party.  If this becomes a round-table discussion point, you're going to see the undecideds run away from the right.

    4) Ryan let the cat out of the bag on the tax plan growth prediction - 4%.  That suggests that the loop-holes and deductions they are looking for in the tax code only need to total about 300 of the 500 billion being cut by tax revenue, to be considered revenue-neutral.  If growth falls short of their prediction, we could be looking at a $23 trillion debt by 2016.

    5) The Kennedy comment was a mistake - not only was it an instant reminder of the Benson - Quayle debate moment, held up as one of the most lopsided in history, but it's factually embarrassing.  Kennedy's tax cuts were bringing down tax hikes created by a responsible country paying for a war.  The top marginal rate at the time was 91%, and GDP growth was only over 4% for the following year - it was not a sustained boost to the economy.  

     

     
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    Biden was as good as he could be.....

     
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    Where is the loyal opposition?  Awaiting orders?  Caucusing?

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    It took over 12 hours for the loyal opposition to show up after the debate, not to any thread or with new threads, about it.  The silence was complete and long.  After their increasingly intense rapid-fire threads and comments on threads leading up to it.  Especially after the ones about the "buffoon".

    It's weird.  Where was everyone?  Waiting for assignments?  "You take this.  You take this.  And you use your online persona to attack this way."  Or what?

    When they finally showed up, it was armed with what was left after the gaffy buffoon didn't show up, and he was all over Mr. Ryan:  "The vice president smirked."  "He was mean to my guy."

    Then, finally, the thirsty were given succor.  The theme and word came down from the mother ship -- the objective post-game from the Heritage Foundation, and ... Haaaaah, our media, at last.  Canned, though it was, it may have taken the 12+ hours to tweak, according to what they actually had to deal with, then to agree (some saying, "We still can say Ryan won," others saying the best we can credibly do is "tie"), and then to get it out to the foot soldiers.

    12+ hours.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     

     
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    Guess conservatives are sore losers.

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    We may never know.

     
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    Ryan pretty much openly stated that he (like most in the Muslim world) is unable to separate Church from State. 

    Such a dedicated religious man could never be truly democratic; not even in a democracy.

     
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    Re: Biden

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    A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate gave Biden the edge over Ryan by a 50%-31% margin.

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    CNBC had it Ryan 56%-36%, CBS Biden 50%-31%, CNN Ryan 48%-44%, AP Ryan 51%-43%.  If you like to believe in these polls, CBS is the outlier.  Biden didn't win anything.  He just did better than his boss, who got his ash kicked.

     
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    We may never know

    Eh? This thread is proof.   

    When Obama lost the debate, it was recognized by conservatives and accused communists alike. Ryan loses a debate and the closest to recognizing it conservatives come is to call Biden an old meaniehead.

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    Well, If, ABC and others are slanting for conservatives then I guess you're on to something. Biden did do much better than Obama but, that isnt saying alot imho.

     

     
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    It is not as simple as a win-loss, this VP debate was not a rout, a game changer like the first Romney Obama debate.

    To the extent Biden didnt make a major gaffe, and was an aggressive attack dog, Biden succeeded.

    But the major purpose of Biden's aggressiveness and interrupting and smirking was to rattle Ryan. He failed at that. Paul Ryan performed very well. So no way the Left can "Palin-ize" Paul Ryan, he showed his gravitas.

    Biden may have energized liberals, but turned off independents.

    Such smirking and condescension 'doubles down' on the perception of arrogance....

     
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    Biden won.  Why?  Because that's who everyone is talking him.  Th Repubs immediate response after the debate was to criticize Biden, not praise Ryan.

    What was it that Ryan said suring the dabate?  "When you can't run on your record you criticize your opponent."  When you can't point to your performance in the debate, you criticize your opponent.

     
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    So no way the Left can "Palin-ize" Paul Ryan, he showed his gravitas.

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    Ah, the victimization tack finally shows up.  As does our Virginian.  Are they telling you to get ahead of it, or are you the koolaid?

    First, we heard, "He smirked".  Next, we saw, "He was rude".  Next, "He was mean to our guy".  Now, we mature it to "Palin-ize".  Oh, somewhere in there was your alter-ego with "...delusional", of course.

     

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     
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    Biden won.  Why?  Because that's who everyone is talking him.  Th Repubs immediate response after the debate was to criticize Biden, not praise Ryan.

    What was it that Ryan said suring the dabate?  "When you can't run on your record you criticize your opponent."  When you can't point to your performance in the debate, you criticize your opponent.

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    Yes people couldn't help but talk about his rude, smirking, over the top boardering on bizarre behavior.  Then we could talk about his lies where Ryan nailed him on Libya, and were he lied about his votes on Iraq and Afghanistan.  So either gramps is a liar or he's suffering from early on dementia. 

     
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    A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate gave Biden the edge over Ryan by a 50%-31% margin.

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    CNBC had it Ryan 56%-36%, CBS Biden 50%-31%, CNN Ryan 48%-44%, AP Ryan 51%-43%.  If you like to believe in these polls, CBS is the outlier.  Biden didn't win anything.  He just did better than his boss, who got his ash kicked.

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    FWIW, the AP poll was a hoax, and the CNBC poll is just a "who do you think won the debate" survey on their web site - it's currently 48-46 Ryan.

    The CBS poll was a slightly larger sample size (something like 380 to 450) and was only for undecided voters.

    Overall, I'd say poll info we have so far is pretty much garbage.

     
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    Biden won.  Why?  Because that's who everyone is talking him.  Th Repubs immediate response after the debate was to criticize Biden, not praise Ryan.

    What was it that Ryan said suring the dabate?  "When you can't run on your record you criticize your opponent."  When you can't point to your performance in the debate, you criticize your opponent.

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    Yes people couldn't help but talk about his rude, smirking, over the top boardering on bizarre behavior.  Then we could talk about his lies where Ryan nailed him on Libya, and were he lied about his votes on Iraq and Afghanistan.  So either gramps is a liar or he's suffering from early on dementia. 

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    If we can just repeat it enough, we can get all the way back to Biden the buffoon. 

    At least, we can make ourselves believe it.

     

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/specials/post_vp_debate_performance/

     
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    Lets just wait and see who get the bounce in the polls!! shall we? lol

     
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    Re: Biden

    lmao

     
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    Re: Biden

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    ...won.

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    Is that important?

     

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    smokin Joe may find out that one is the loneliest number.

     
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    Re: Biden

    I think it will make Barry wake up a little, but he still has his mediocre record, and now the whole Libya thing is going to explode.

    Hillary won't take the fall for this, she has 2016 to look ahead to whether Obama wins or not.  She'll sell out the WH if backed into a corner, next week will be one ugly debate.

    The gloves are off I'd say, Obama cannot come up short again, it'll toast him!

    I'll quote Krauthammer "if you read the transcript the debate was a tie, if you listened to the radio, Biden won, if you watched on TV, Ryan won." 

     

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