Big win for the second amendment

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    "Who said we should outlaw guns for citizens, ya' goddamned idiot?"

    Ah, maturity

     

    It does take a degree of maturity to call a spade a spade, correct.



    I understand wdywn is challenged. He is perhaps educated but, lacks intelligence and real knowlege!

    I forgive him and hope he gets better some day

     
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    Actually, it will, because guns will not only be in the hands of the perpetrators, but also the victims.  This will lead to less violence.



    Hilarious!!!

     

    Yep, nothing is better at reducing gun violence than having more bullets flying.

     

    "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

     
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     But to simply say you're less likely to be a homicide victim without a gun is just absurd. 




    I didn't make it up.  Its a fact.

     
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    Actually, it will, because guns will not only be in the hands of the perpetrators, but also the victims.  This will lead to less violence.




    Hilarious!!!

     

     

    Yep, nothing is better at reducing gun violence than having more bullets flying.

     

    "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."



    Right because there are all sorts of gun fights going on all the time right now with all those people who currently carry concealed weapons. Christ...talk about being hysterical

     

     

     
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     But to simply say you're less likely to be a homicide victim without a gun is just absurd. 




    I didn't make it up.  Its a fact.



    Again....tell this to the family members of those people who've been killed while unarmed. 

     
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    But to simply say you're less likely to be a homicide victim without a gun is just absurd. 



    More correctly, the chances of being injured or killed by gunshot increases dramatically when one carries.

    Same thing goes for homes where there are guns.  Chances of injury increase by up to 40%.

    Note that insurers will bump premiums on liability coverage, not decrease them on theft.  In other words, injury is more likely than a foiled robbery.  Failure to disclose gun ownership  to insurers will likely disqualify payouts in an accident.

     

     

     
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    But to simply say you're less likely to be a homicide victim without a gun is just absurd. 



    More correctly, the chances of being injured or killed by gunshot increases dramatically when one carries.

    Same thing goes for homes where there are guns.  Chances of injury increase by up to 40%.

    Note that insurers will bump premiums on liability coverage, not decrease them on theft.  In other words, injury is more likely than a foiled robbery.  Failure to disclose gun ownership  to insurers will likely disqualify payouts in an accident.

     

     



    Your post I would agree with. There are a lot of stupid careless people out there who leave loaded guns in the open. My dad had guns and never had an issue. When not being used at gun range they were locked up. If eveyone followed this very simple common sense rule more people would be alive today.

     

     
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    Allowing concealed carry is not to "keep guns out of criminal hands" it's to allow law abiding citizens their constitutional right to bear arms for their protection.

    It's also not about expanding guns anywhere! It's about freedom! Honest law abiding citizens have the right in our country to own and if, they choose and can show they are not convicted criminals or agressors guns!!

     

    No, it's not about freedom.  It's about a privilege vs. a right and about america's fascination with weapons and violence of all kinds.

    Guns require permits for a reason...because it's premission granted by law, not permission assumed by "freedom".

    Lots of people have no business owning, much less carrying guns.  If people had to undergo psychological testing before ownership, then half would probably fail.

    Again, note that I am a gun owner, but I am not licensed to carry....a fair enough compromise that has no bearing upon my "freedom", perceived or otherwise.

     

     
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    Again....tell this to the family members of those people who've been killed while unarmed.



    What does the fact that your seeming suspicion that they would say something along the lines of "well it wouldn't have happened if he was armed" have to do with whether or not username is citing a statistic?

     

     




    Your assumption is wrong. 

     
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    "Leave it to a Demo to bring a knife to a gun fight" 



    ...and win!!!

     
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    "Right, but of course, the trouble is that the more you do to lock it up, the longer it takes to get it out. And if you own it for the purpose of keeping yourself safe....well....."

    Not everyone owns guns for protection (my father for ex) Secondly, many gun safes use a keypad to access it. Doesn't exaclty take long to open one when one knows the code

     

    If I never intended to have children I'd consider keeping a loaded gun in the nightstand, safety on. But since that isn't the case, I don't think I will own a gun. At least not unless its locked in one location and the ammo locked in another, at the least.

    Kids get into all sorts of things.

    That's where parenting comes into play. My brother and I were no angels but my dad's guns was one thing we would have NEVER fcuked with. My dad had this ability of putting the fear of god into us. 

     

    Instead, since I have nothing better to put in it, I keep a hatchet in the nightstand. I guess that's a decent counter if the burglar only has a knife....

     

    I have a Louisville Slugger



     
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    No, it's not about freedom.  It's about a privilege vs. a right and about america's fascination with weapons and violence of all kinds.

    Guns require permits for a reason...because it's premission granted by law, not permission assumed by "freedom".

    Lots of people have no business owning, much less carrying guns.  If people had to undergo psychological testing before ownership, then half would probably fail.

    Again, note that I am a gun owner, but I am not licensed to carry....a fair enough compromise that has no bearing upon my "freedom", perceived or otherwise.



    You speak for America? Only in your own mind. A healthy facination with guns is what America has!

    Permits are only required for concealed carry. It is a constitutional right for law abidimg citizen to own guns! It's the placement of the comma remember??

    In your opinion (that no one cares about) "lots of people have no business owning much less carrying guns"! What is that opinion based on? Half would fail testing? Any evidence or just more extremist rhetoric?

    Another opinion stated as fact.....yawn

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    No, it's not about freedom.  It's about a privilege vs. a right and about america's fascination with weapons and violence of all kinds.

    Guns require permits for a reason...because it's premission granted by law, not permission assumed by "freedom".

    Lots of people have no business owning, much less carrying guns.  If people had to undergo psychological testing before ownership, then half would probably fail.

    Again, note that I am a gun owner, but I am not licensed to carry....a fair enough compromise that has no bearing upon my "freedom", perceived or otherwise.



    You speak for America? Only in your own mind. A healthy facination with guns is what America has!

    Permits are only required for concealed carry. It is a constitutional right for law abidimg citizen to own guns! It's the placement of the comma remember??

    In your opinion (that no one cares about) "lots of people have no business owning much less carrying guns"! What is that opinion based on? Half would fail testing? Any evidence or just more extremist rhetoric?

    Another opinion stated as fact.....yawn


    I'm speaking about America, not for it.  And as mentioned here, the millions of victims and families of gun violence might have something to say about how "healthy" our national gun obsession is.

    Your obvious fallacy maintains that a freedom to own guns not exercised is a freedom lost, and I'm saying that's just not true.

    The facts support my argument: that gun violence is far more likely to occur in presence of guns.  That's not too hard to figure out, even for you.

    And again, you're interpreting a privilege as a right by couching it in "law-abiding" terms.  That's a fairly broad, vague brush you be painting with.  Should a tax cheat be able to own a gun?  How about an embezzler?

    And again, I AM a gun owner, so I may have an informed perspective that you don't.

     

     

     
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    I'm speaking about America, not for it.  And as mentioned here, the millions of victims and families of gun violence might have something to say about how "healthy" our national gun obsession is.

    Your obvious fallacy maintains that a freedom to own guns not exercised is a freedom lost, and I'm saying that's just not true.

    The facts support my argument: that gun violence is far more likely to occur in presence of guns.  That's not too hard to figure out, even for you.

    And again, you're interpreting a privilege as a right by couching it in "law-abiding" terms.  That's a fairly broad, vague brush you be painting with.  Should a tax cheat be able to own a gun?  How about an embezzler?

    And again, I AM a gun owner, so I may have an informed perspective that you don't.

     

    Millions of victims of gun violence? Going back to when; the civil war? lol

    The freedom is in being free of govt intrusion or restrictions toward gun ownership for law abiding citizens! No one should be forced to buy a gun either. geez

    If, there is no gun, it hard to have gun violence ok, I'll concede that in as much as without knives there will be no chance of a stabbing or no automobile no auto accidents etc etc. again geez

    The supreme court ruled on the 2nd amendment already so the constitution provides the protections!

     

     
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    (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.

    (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.

    (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171

    Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

    Now think about this:
    Guns

    (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80
    million)

    (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.

    (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188

    Statistics courtesy of the FBI

    So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than
    gun owners.

    Remember, Guns don't kill people, doctors do !

    FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor.
    This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor
    than as by a gun owner !

    Now if you have more than one doctor, You're just out of luck !

    Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
    We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand !

    Out of concern for the public at large, I withheld the statistics on
    Lawyers For fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical
    attention!

     
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    Is tvoters last post factually correct or incorrect?

     
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    Is tvoters last post factually correct or incorrect?




     

    Who cares? It's completely irrelevant unless someone is actually suggesting banning guns.

    No one here did. Obama didn't suggest banning guns. Christ, he didn't even seek a reenactment on a ban on assault weapons - something that the Supreme Court might think is OK.


    He's shadow boxing. It's as stupid as it is amusing.

     



    Ah, so his argument can ONLY be used in regards to banning guns? It can't be used in regards to those who scream for more gun control and who use deaths by guns as the reason for more gun control? No? Can't be used then? Really?????????

     
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    1. I'd like to know who is screaming that tvoter is reacting to.

    And I'd like to know where tvoter said he thinks Obama is trying to ban all guns?

     

    As for my own view on gun control, I would absolutely support restrictions on assault-type weapons, on high capacity weaponry, and on military-grade protective gear.

     

    I have no issue with this. Avg citizen has no business having a military-grade weapon. Fully auto can't be used for hunting and there is no bloody reason to use one for target shooting. How bad does one need to kill a paper target for christ sake.

     

    I also want to see requirements that would-be owners demonstrate a sufficient degree of skill in a course designed to test both accuracy and ability to distinguish between good and bad targets. You can't fix stupid, but you can at least detect it sometimes.

    You mean for all those hostage situations ordinary citizens are happening upon???

     
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    You mean for all those hostage situations ordinary citizens are happening upon



     

    Ah yes, put something stupid in my mouth and be incredulous about it.

    No, for all those situations where ordinary citizens are negligent with their gun and thereby cause injury. People should actually have to know how to use and care for the damn thing without causing injury before they bring it home.

     



    Those people are negligent because they are stupid, not because they don't know how to differentiate good guy from bad guy.

    What does being able to have perfect aim have to do with leaving a loaded gun around the house where a child picks it up and ends up shooting themselves?

    And it was you who mentioned distiguishing good from bad targets. Don't get upset with me if that wasn't what you meant.

     
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    1. I'd like to know who is screaming that tvoter is reacting to.

    And I'd like to know where tvoter said he thinks Obama is trying to ban all guns?

     

    As for my own view on gun control, I would absolutely support restrictions on assault-type weapons, on high capacity weaponry, and on military-grade protective gear.

     

    I have no issue with this. Avg citizen has no business having a military-grade weapon. Fully auto can't be used for hunting and there is no bloody reason to use one for target shooting. How bad does one need to kill a paper target for christ sake.

     

    I also want to see requirements that would-be owners demonstrate a sufficient degree of skill in a course designed to test both accuracy and ability to distinguish between good and bad targets. You can't fix stupid, but you can at least detect it sometimes.

    You mean for all those hostage situations ordinary citizens are happening upon???

    Automatic rifles are already outlawed and you need a special federal license to have one.  That's a machine gun.  No one needs those but very few people have them.

    Other rifles fell under the 'Assault Weapon" label that are no more dangerous than any hunting rifle.  AR15's are one.  They are Semi-Automatic.  Yeah, they look military but shoot one bullet for one pull of the trigger.  The round itself is slightly bigger than a .22.  It's longer and higher powered but still comes out once for every trigger pull.  The reason AR's are so popular is the simple design and reliability.  They are used for hunting by a lot of hunters. 

    I have several guns and a License to Carry,  which I never do for practical reasons.  I know plenty of people who do carry every day with no issues.  Most people who carry are praying they never have to take it out of the holster.  Once you do, whether or not you fired it, your life has changed forever.

 
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    tvoter thinks Obama wants to take his guns. ROFL.

     

     Do you even own a gun, tvoter?



    My gun ownership is my business but, Lets just say; I dont call 9-11 if, you come after me.

     
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    Millions of victims of gun violence? Going back to when; the civil war? lol


    Yes, the millions of victims (and families of victims).

    More guns means more victims of gun violence, e.g. homicides, but also injuries, robberies and other gun-related crimes.  

    Petty crimes can turn serious very quickly when guns are involved, and more people packing means more possibility of escalation.

     

     

     
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    tvoter thinks Obama wants to take his guns. ROFL.

     

     Do you even own a gun, tvoter?



    My gun ownership is my business but, Lets just say; I dont call 9-11 if, you come after me.



    So, that's a no, then...?

    Don't be coy.

     

     
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    I've fired AR-15s too. I've also worked on murder cases where an AR-15 was used. These are serious weapons.

     I tend to take the position that the ability to own firearms should adhere to the scope of the right as it was discussed by the Supreme Court. An individual right, yes, but a right whose core purpose (their words) is self-defense.

    An AR-15 is some serious overkill on the self-defense front. There are plenty of other rifles that can be used for hunting.



    Why is an AR-15 overkill for self defense? The weapon should be directly proportional to who and what you are defending yourself against!

    I think an AA-12 is a nice choice for defense!

     
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