Bled dry by the New Class, the Public Sector

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    "Life is hard. It's harder still when an entire class of people with their hands out stands between you and success.


    Unfortunately, that's increasingly the problem, all around the world. A recent New York Times piece tells the story of a Greek woman's efforts to survive that country's financial collapse. After losing her job, she tried to start a pastry business, only to find the regulatory environment impossible. Among other things, they wanted her to pay the business's first two years of taxes up front, before it had taken in a cent. When the business failed, her lesson was this: "I, like thousands of others trying to start businesses, learned that I would be at the mercy of public employees who interpreted the laws so they could profit themselves."


    This phenomenon isn't limited to Greece, or even to capitalistic societies. Dissident Soviet-era thinker Milovan Djilas coined the term "the New Class" to describe the people who actually ran the Soviet Union: Not workers or capitalists or proletarians, but managers, bureaucrats, technocrats, and assorted hangers-on. This group, Djilas wrote, had assumed the power that mattered in the "workers' paradise," and transformed itself into a new kind of aristocracy, even while pretending, ever less convincingly, to do so in the name of the workers. Capitalists own capital, workers own their labor, but what the New Class owned was political control over other people's capital and labor. Those Greek bureaucrats' power didn't come from making things. It came from being able to make people -- like our pastry chef -- jump through hoops before they could make things.


    Here in the United States, a lot of programs officially aimed at the poor look suspiciously like subsidies to the New Class, too. Among "means-tested" programs, Food Stamps, now officially called SNAP, cover about 46 million people up to 125% of the poverty line (set at about $16,000 for a single mother and child). Other programs, such as the Earned Income Tax credit, cover people at slightly higher incomes, up to 200% of the poverty line. When federal spending on the dozens of programs are added up and state and local contributions included, the budget for assistance is about $1 trillion.


    If we simply handed those people, perhaps 60 million of them, their share of the cash, that would be more than $16,500 each. A single mom and her baby would get over $33,000, twice as much as a poverty wage. A family of four would land more than $66,000, $15,000 more than the average family income.


    So where's the money going? To people who aren't poor, such as doctors paid through Medicaid or landlords paid through Section 8. And to tens of thousands of members of the New Class, people like social workers, administrators and lawyers who run more than 120 different means tested federal programs.


    It's not just poverty spending, of course. Higher education spending goes more and more to administrators, not to faculties, and, for that matter, NASA seems more interested in feeding its bureaucracy than in going to Mars, or even back to the Moon.


    This class solidarity tends to encourage more work for the New Class. And the New Class tends to expand its reach, while simultaneously retarding growth and prosperity, until economic reality asserts itself.


    The problem for our society is that whenever political control of other people's money and labor is allowed, it will tend to breed a class of people who use that control to establish comfortable positions at others' expense. This is an aristocracy in all but name, one without the tempering effect of noblesse oblige.


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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....

     
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    It's funny that things like the EIT are actually wingnut policies but apparently over time they have morphed into 'librul' ideas.


    And if another WPA was proposed to have people work for their benefits the wingnuts would go all beserk over that too.


    Some people just like to rant and rave regardless of the facts or their past positions on such policies.

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....



    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.

    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.

    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.

     
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    It's funny that things like the EIT are actually wingnut policies but apparently over time they have morphed into 'librul' ideas.


     


    And if another WPA was proposed to have people work for their benefits the wingnuts would go all beserk over that too.


     


    Some people just like to rant and rave regardless of the facts or their past positions on such policies.




    WPA?  Obviously you never met a Government program you didnt get orgasmic over....


    Reform, or results, or success, have nothing to do with Government programs...it is all about the bureaucrats, and growing Government...

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....



    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.

    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.

    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.




    Pay attention: ONLY the private sector creates jobs and creates wealth and prosperity. The public sector is parasitic, by nature....

     
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    It's funny that things like the EIT are actually wingnut policies but apparently over time they have morphed into 'librul' ideas.

     

     

     

    And if another WPA was proposed to have people work for their benefits the wingnuts would go all beserk over that too.

     

     

     

    Some people just like to rant and rave regardless of the facts or their past positions on such policies.

     

     



    WPA?  Obviously you never met a Government program you didnt get orgasmic over....

     

     

    Reform, or results, or success, have nothing to do with Government programs...it is all about the bureaucrats, and growing Government...




    So you don't want people working for their benefits, you'd rather just let them sit home and collect.

    Got it.

     
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    The growth of government cannot continue forever. An economy totally dominated by government isn’t viable—even the Communists now recognize this. Eventually the government will eat up so much of the private sector that it will destroy the means of its own sustenance. At some point the balance of political power will swing away from support for bigger government in an effort to revive the dying goose that lays the golden eggs. If such reaction can occur in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, it certainly can occur here.

     
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    It's funny that things like the EIT are actually wingnut policies but apparently over time they have morphed into 'librul' ideas.


     


     


     


    And if another WPA was proposed to have people work for their benefits the wingnuts would go all beserk over that too.


     


     


     


    Some people just like to rant and rave regardless of the facts or their past positions on such policies.


     


     




    WPA?  Obviously you never met a Government program you didnt get orgasmic over....


     


     


    Reform, or results, or success, have nothing to do with Government programs...it is all about the bureaucrats, and growing Government...





    So you don't want people working for their benefits, you'd rather just let them sit home and collect.


    Got it.





    President Obama by his own regulators' action, waived work requirements in most states for food stamps in 2009. The number on SNAP amazingly increased from 26 to 49 million on his watch. 49 million!


    So, you are saying you think a work requirement, like the WPA made the unemployed do physical labor, should be adopted?


    Or, as usual, you are just oppositional and say things you dont mean?

     
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    The growth of government cannot continue forever. An economy totally dominated by government isn’t viable—even the Communists now recognize this. Eventually the government will eat up so much of the private sector that it will destroy the means of its own sustenance. At some point the balance of political power will swing away from support for bigger government in an effort to revive the dying goose that lays the golden eggs. If such reaction can occur in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, it certainly can occur here.




    If the gov't is going tp pay these people anyway, shouldn't we get something in return?

    Or do you think actually having people work is a bad idea?

    This is the kind of bass ackwards thinking by you ideological nitwits.

    You'll shut the gov't down and give every public worker a two or three week paid vacation and then complain about those same public workers being in some kind of 'new class'.

    You'll claim that the E/I bank is crony capitalism while ignoring the fact that shutting it down is akin to unilateral disarmement in the global markets. Every other country on earth gets support from their gov'ts but you want to hobble our own businesses just out of some blind obedience to a fantasy novel. You refuse to admit that it is the least intusive way for the US to level the playing field ... it's primarily loan guarantees and bond funding.

    It is quite literally insanity on a grand scale....

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....



    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.

    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.

    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.




    Pay attention: ONLY the private sector creates jobs and creates wealth and prosperity. The public sector is parasitic, by nature....




    Nope.  Government spending can and does create jobs, both directly and indirectly. 

     
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    President Obama by his own regulators' action, waived work requirements in most states for food stamps in 2009. The number on SNAP amazingly increased from 26 to 49 million on his watch. 49 million!


     


    So, you are saying you think a work requirement, like the WPA made the unemployed do physical labor, should be adopted?


     


    Or, as usual, you are just oppositional and say things you dont mean?




    I'm all for a return to some form of WPA.


    If you are on welfare then you can work, and for single moms daycare will be provided.


    There are thousands of infrastructure projects that could be done with this kind of program.


    Everything from cutting grass to fixing parks to rehabing schools etc etc.


    Anything that low or no skilled workers can do would free up the professionals to do the road and bridge work.


    Heck you could even pay the salary of people to work on the large projects. The contractor gets the help, the worker gets the experience and we get something in return for our tax dollar.


    You can call it 'socialism' or 'communism' whatever dirty name you'd like but the reality is it's just common sense.

     
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    Pay attention: ONLY the private sector creates jobs and creates wealth and prosperity. The public sector is parasitic, by nature....



    That's just a flat-out stupid post.

     

     
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    President Obama by his own regulators' action, waived work requirements in most states for food stamps in 2009. The number on SNAP amazingly increased from 26 to 49 million on his watch. 49 million!

     

    So, you are saying you think a work requirement, like the WPA made the unemployed do physical labor, should be adopted?

     

    Or, as usual, you are just oppositional and say things you dont mean?



    I'm all for a return to some form of WPA.

    If you are on welfare then you can work, and for single moms daycare will be provided.

    There are thousands of infrastructure projects that could be done with this kind of program.

    Everything from cutting grass to fixing parks to rehabing schools etc etc.

    Anything that low or no skilled workers can do would free up the professionals to do the road and bridge work.

    Heck you could even pay the salary of people to work on the large projects. The contractor gets the help, the worker gets the experience and we get something in return for our tax dollar.

    It's not 'socialism' or 'communism' ... it's common sense.



    We agree on something. May be a first! It is common sense, you are right.

    The current welfare system couldnt be worse for the recipents or the taxpayers, we need to try something radically different...states are the laboratories of such experiments.

     
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    Has anyone looked at the average salary of a social worker...?  About 45K per year doing one of the most thankless of thankless jobs.

    According to the OP, we should just eliminate that profession?  (I know the author is a rich law professor, but...)

    Conservatives certainly don't want to do that work, and the private sector REALLY doesn't want to do it, because either they can't, or they just don't care.

     

     
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    Has anyone looked at the average salary of a social worker...?  About 45K per year doing one of the most thankless of thankless jobs.

    According to the OP, we should just eliminate that profession?  (I know the author is a rich law professor, but...)

    Conservatives certainly don't want to do that work, and the private sector REALLY doesn't want to do it, because either they can't, or they just don't care.

     



    Social workers may not be paid a high salary, but as with most public sector jobs, it has great benefits and seemingly lifetime employment guarantees, no heavy lifting and a nice pension. Unlike the private sector, there is no specific measure to know if a social worker is succeeding or failing..apparently the more they  sign up for public welfare benefits , the better.

    Social workers should be paid like salespeople....if they can succeed in helping individual welfare recipients get off the public dole and become self sufficient, the social worker should get a fat bonus...because the welfare recipient and the public both win...that doesnt happen now, all the incentive is the other way....maybe because there would end up being fewer social workers needed...

     

     
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    Has anyone looked at the average salary of a social worker...?  About 45K per year doing one of the most thankless of thankless jobs.

    According to the OP, we should just eliminate that profession?  (I know the author is a rich law professor, but...)

    Conservatives certainly don't want to do that work, and the private sector REALLY doesn't want to do it, because either they can't, or they just don't care.

     



    Social workers may not be paid a high salary, but as with most public sector jobs, it has great benefits and seemingly lifetime employment guarantees, no heavy lifting and a nice pension. Unlike the private sector, there is no specific measure to know if a social worker is succeeding or failing..apparently the more they  sign up for public welfare benefits , the better.

    Social workers should be paid like salespeople....if they can succeed in helping individual welfare recipients get off the public dole and become self sufficient, the social worker should get a fat bonus...because the welfare recipient and the public both win...that doesnt happen now, all the incentive is the other way....maybe because there would end up being fewer social workers needed...

     




    Spoken like someone who has very little idea what social workers do or what their performance is based upon.  You're letting your inner elitist shine through, just like Mr. Reynolds, the Law Prof.

    "No heavy lifting"...?!  How heavy is that mouse you're pushing across a desk, sunshine..?  How much heavy lifting do lawyers and stock brokers and insurance executives do...??

    Again, you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

     

     
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    Crank up you are a government contractor isn't that the same as the public sector ?

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....



    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.

    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.

    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.



    Oh, God.

    living wage. About the stupidest progressive concept ever. Allow people to stay burger flippers by essentially paying them middle class wages.

    Get some facts, any facts. Learn some economics before you start prattling on about Cause and effect.  Even just a little would help your embarrassing lack of common sense.

    private sector = bad oppressors of the "working poor".

    What ever you do, don't blame the "working poor" for making the decisions that make them the "working poor".

     
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    ronnie how are you today ? Good I hope .....concerning the working poor ... who are they and what decisions could they have made that would have helped them ?

     
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    This is a rehashed essay.  They took Ikes military industrial complex speech and replaced military spending with welfare.

     
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    Here in the United States, a lot of programs officially aimed at the poor look suspiciously like subsidies to the New Class, too. Among "means-tested" programs, Food Stamps, now officially called SNAP, cover about 46 million people up to 125% of the poverty line (set at about $16,000 for a single mother and child). Other programs, such as the Earned Income Tax credit, cover people at slightly higher incomes, up to 200% of the poverty line. When federal spending on the dozens of programs are added up and state and local contributions included, the budget for assistance is about $1 trillion.

     

    How much of that goes to the "public sector"?

     

    Should the people working for those agencies work for free? What's the claim?

     

    If we simply handed those people, perhaps 60 million of them, their share of the cash, that would be more than $16,500 each. A single mom and her baby would get over $33,000, twice as much as a poverty wage. A family of four would land more than $66,000, $15,000 more than the average family income.

     

    So where's the money going? To people who aren't poor, such as doctors paid through Medicaid or landlords paid through Section 8.

     

    So....doctors should just volunteer their time for poor people so you can get rid of the safety net?

     

    Government should mandate that landlords provide a certain number of rooms for free?

     

    Doctors and landlords are "public sector"? How does this even begin to add up to your typically dishonest thread title?

     

    And to tens of thousands of members of the New Class, people like social workers, administrators and lawyers who run more than 120 different means tested federal programs.

     

    Ok, and a growing number of people would support replacing the safety net network with a single basic guaranteed income. That we don't have one doesn't mean people working in agencies are bleeding you dry, Mr. Hysterical.

     

    It's not just poverty spending, of course. Higher education spending goes more and more to administrators, not to faculties,

     

    What spending? Student loans? Are you asking the government to impose salary caps on administrators in private schools that accept students receiving federal aid?

     

    Or are you just whining stupidly about libruls again?

     

    and, for that matter, NASA seems more interested in feeding its bureaucracy than in going to Mars, or even back to the Moon.

     

    Yes, let's keep slashing the budget for scientific research and NASA, and then demand they go to Mars anyway. Idiot.

     

    This class solidarity tends to encourage more work for the New Class. And the New Class tends to expand its reach, while simultaneously retarding growth and prosperity, until economic reality asserts itself.

     

    Class solidarity? Where did that come from? What?

     

    The problem for our society is that whenever political control of other people's money and labor is allowed, it will tend to breed a class of people who use that control to establish comfortable positions at others' expense. This is an aristocracy in all but name, one without the tempering effect of noblesse oblige.

     

    Who? What?

     

    I mean, this is definitely your sort of article. It starts out with the irrelevant Greece and the USSR, to throw in a nice CLC-style pinko scare.

     

    It then lists a few safety programs but utterly fails to establish how they represent "the public sector" bleeding you dry.

     

    And then it lands on a bizarro rant about said "class."

     

     

     

     

     

    I guess you are literally incapable of copy/pasting, let alone making, a coherent argument for anything.

     

     

     

     




     



    Typical argument from the attorney.

    If it costs the taxpayer to much to provide healthcare to the "poor", then the alternative is to make doctors work for nothing?

    Intellectual infancy on display.

     
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    You can call it 'socialism' or 'communism' whatever dirty name you'd like but the reality is it's just common sense.



    Heh, heh, heh...this coming from the king of name-calling...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 

    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....



    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.

    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.

    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.



    Oh, God.

    living wage. About the stupidest progressive concept ever. Allow people to stay burger flippers by essentially paying them middle class wages.

    Get some facts, any facts. Learn some economics before you start prattling on about Cause and effect.  Even just a little would help your embarrassing lack of common sense.

    private sector = bad oppressors of the "working poor".

    What ever you do, don't blame the "working poor" for making the decisions that make them the "working poor".




    On what planet is 10 to 13 dollars an hour akin to a wage for the middle class?

     
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    $1 trillion taken from hardworking taxpayers and spent annually by Government on "poverty" programs...and poverty , both material and spiritual, is what we get... 


    The public sector is bleeding all of us dry....




    For those able to analyze cause and effect, Its really the private sector that is bleeding us all dry.  Put a living wage out there and that dubious trillion dollar figure shrinks tremendously.


    Cut the military welfare in half, and put the tax rates back where they were under Clinton and we'd have surpluses.


    But no....its easier to pee on the working poor.




    Oh, God.


    living wage. About the stupidest progressive concept ever. Allow people to stay burger flippers by essentially paying them middle class wages.


    Get some facts, any facts. Learn some economics before you start prattling on about Cause and effect.  Even just a little would help your embarrassing lack of common sense.


    private sector = bad oppressors of the "working poor".


    What ever you do, don't blame the "working poor" for making the decisions that make them the "working poor".





    On what planet is 10 to 13 dollars an hour akin to a wage for the middle class?




    Hey, don't blame me.  That was the argument from the SEIU and other unions when they caterwauled about this issue.


    So, your argument is that flipping burgers should be middle class work?


    if you raise the wage even higher, you are going to turn burger flipping into a union job for sure, in addition to being a "career".

     
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