BOSTON GLOBE: Congresswoman critical, 6 dead in Tucson rampage

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    By the way, Clarence Dupnik, the Pima County sheriff, is a left wing lunatic who refused to implement basic illegal immigration laws.

    He is blaming the Tea Party for something that his own kind did ... which is typical for a liberal. 

    It would be nice to say that Sheriff Clarence Dupnik will apologize for his childish and slanderous remarks... but that would require someone with integrity and honor... which he is not.  But he is correct about one thing ... "Arizona is the Mecca for prejudice" ... but that would be Sheriff Dupnik's prejudices.
     
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    oscar's desparate attempt to stir up a hateful session

    Posted by OscarBozachT00[/QUOTE]

    Folks, please don't let this post turn into a hate filled topic. Oscar seems desperate to start nothing useful. If you ignore this desparation to do exactly that....we can all avoid a lot of uncecessary argument until the actual details really come out.

    If we do this for once, we can avoid a lot of problems here
     
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    [QUOTE]Oscar, you're a typical wingnut with a persecution complex. You wingnuts immediately play the victim card and cry that everyone is picking on you when it's just a figment of your warped mind. The sheriff never blamed the tea party. As a matter of, fact he never even mentioned any particular political persuasion. But your inferiority complex makes you lash out at anything you percieve to be directed at you even when it isn't.   It's idiots like you who have a guilt complex every time words like 'prejudice' or 'bigotry' are mentioned.   
    Posted by 12-Angry-Men[/QUOTE]

    Right on.  All I've heard is that a girl who knew him in college said he was becoming a wingnut and his spoutings were mostly left leaning.  Then he began to change his tune - just as looney, though.  I think he found a new home with the TPers, many are violent in nature.  And their venom is being fueled directly from Washington.

    I wonder why Sarah (reload) Palin hasn't said anything yet.
     
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    [QUOTE] I think he found a new home with the TPers, many are violent in nature.  And their venom is being fueled directly from Washington.
    Posted by wraughn[/QUOTE]

    Do you mean like Bill Sparkman, Amy Bishop, The Fort Hood Shooter, The IRS plane crasher, the cabbie stabber, and the Pentagon shooter? Those TPers?




     
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    Will Palin call for a halt to this violence or will she lay silent.

    Waiting......

    Sorta like waiting for the muslims to acknowledge the 9/11 thingy, no?
     
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    [QUOTE]Will Palin call for a halt to this violence or will she lay silent. Waiting...... Sorta like waiting for the muslims to acknowledge the 9/11 thingy, no?
    Posted by Bill.the.Cat[/QUOTE]

    Ummm... Palin responded a long time ago.  But of course.. she never condoned violence in the first place... you know that... just playing liberal games.
     
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    [QUOTE]There are murders, shootings, killings, muggings, rapes and more every day. No one tries to pin a liberal or a conservative label on the criminal. Now a similar nutball shoots a bunch of people including a congresswoman. Six are dead and the congresswoman is in the hospital having been shot in the head. What difference does it make if the nutball who did the shooting had liberal or conservative political views??? His politics do not distinguish him - his insanity does. No one is going to change their political views because of what he did.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    I don't disagree with your point.  But the vitriolic political environment that exists today, a setting where people too often suggest that one side or the other is trying to destroy the country could give incentive to some of the marginal people out there to act out.  Regardless of what that killer kook had in mind, toning down the rhetoric is in everyone's interest.
     
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    How soon before we see a bill introduced that provides funding for 24/7 security for all members of Congress? 
     
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    I find it amazing and unconscionable that the progressives are jumping all over the conservatives for this shooting.  Just confirms that the hate is on the left,  the need to label is on the left.  And, it goes to the top.  Let's take stroll down memory lane, with Napolitano's warning of middle aged, ex-military white men being the problem.  So much so that it warranted an official warning from Homeland Security.  Well, I guess this guy is white, so he must be part of this middle aged, TP, former military cabal aimed at destroying the country?  Get real.  This guy appear to be a loner nutcase.  Politics don't matter to this guy, to the extent you can decipher something intelligible in his point of view.  "Ancient Aliens" is more his speed.

    As far as the political tension:  It is not the right that has flung open our borders.  It is not the right that is redistributing wealth.  It is not the right that is failing to confront the terrorist threat this country faces. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Will Palin call for a halt to this violence or will she lay silent. Waiting...... Sorta like waiting for the muslims to acknowledge the 9/11 thingy, no?
    Posted by Bill.the.Cat[/QUOTE]

    Maybe Palin and the DailyKos should make a joint statement on the use of metaphors.  Note from today's Globe.

    Such use of metaphor, while controversial, is not unusual. Dailykos.com, a liberal political blog, also placed Giffords on a “target list’’ for defeat in the Democratic primaries for voting against former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying that “not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bull’s-eye on their district.’’

     
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    On Sat night, the assumption by many was this guy was a tea party member.  That belief was seen on almost every station.

    Once they realized that it would not be easy to pin on the Tea Party, the left began screaming that his political views should not matter.

    These are facts.

    Of course if he was obviously far left, they would make the same argument.  If he was right, they would be crying that every Repub is evil and responsible.  

    Its the same old same old from the far left! 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BOSTON GLOBE: Congresswoman critical, 6 dead in Tucson rampage : It's not his politics that matter but who or what the target of his attack represented that does matter. There are never random attacks in this country. Whether it be for love or money or gangs, a killer doesn't pick targets at random. That fact that this was a political figure is significant. It was a direct attack at our political system and how it operates, or fails to operate, for the country. To try to dismiss this as just another drive-by misses the point. He deliberately picked the congresswoman for a reason. The same as the attackers that picked Oklahoma City or the World Trade Center, they had a specific target for a specific reason.
    Posted by 12-Angry-Men[/QUOTE]

    Just like Ft. Hood is significant.
     
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    You could almost feel the media's disappointment when they found out that he wasn't a right winger. This story would be over the top sensationalize had he been.

    After hearing this story I knew there would be certain people on this thread that would put their spin on this, so far you haven't disappointed.

     
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    All signs so far point toward paranoid schizophrenia - a condition which would preclude any political ideology.  In other words, he was crazy no matter which side of the political spectrum he might have fallen (purposely or not).

    Aiding and abetting this condition, however, is the increasingly subjective, nasty tone of rhetoric on BOTH sides of the aisle.  Neither party is to blame, nor is either party absolved, of this crime.  Efforts to label the shooter as "leftist" or "rightist" are immediately suspect.

    Thankfully, it looks like the congresswoman might pull through.  Sadly, a federal judge has been assassinated along with other innocents.
     
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    [QUOTE]You could almost feel the media's disappointment when they found out that he wasn't a right winger. This story would be over the top sensationalize had he been. After hearing this story I knew there would be certain people on this thread that would put their spin on this, so far you haven't disappointed.
    Posted by newman09[/QUOTE]

    Newman....the false eqivalence issues exists - the truth still remains that the RW is the far and wide leader on this sorry kind of hyperbole. It cannot be escaped or spun as "the shooter isn't a right winger". It will not be spun. Even cowardly is tring to pint Allen Greyson on the floor saying that the GOP health plan isI to die is EQUAL - which is incredibly stupid - to the Palin website or other RW heated rhetoric. It will not fly in the face of reason. It might fly to Fox viewers who willingly accept this false eqivalency, but it wont to a reasonably thinking individual.

    I was wondering why the rush to get out the "they do it to posts" - now that I had a chance to see the RW media strategy, its now clear as glass why this thread and others like it exist.

    IT WON'T WORK to disguise the truth, only honest repudiation will begin to stem the tide. 

     
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    A national tradgedy. I also reject the labels being employed by both partys.

    I do hope it doen not become painted over like Fort Hood.
     
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    [QUOTE]A national tradgedy. I also reject the labels being employed by both partys. I do hope it doen not become painted over like Fort Hood.
    Posted by RevWright[/QUOTE]

    It is silly to try to conflate Ft Hood with the Giffords incident - frequent posts of the same spin effort will not make it change to a true equal comparison
     
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    [QUOTE]All signs so far point toward paranoid schizophrenia - a condition which would preclude any political ideology.  In other words, he was crazy no matter which side of the political spectrum he might have fallen (purposely or not). Aiding and abetting this condition, however, is the increasingly subjective, nasty tone of rhetoric on BOTH sides of the aisle.  Neither party is to blame, nor is either party absolved, of this crime.  Efforts to label the shooter as "leftist" or "rightist" are immediately suspect. Thankfully, it looks like the congresswoman might pull through.  Sadly, a federal judge has been assassinated along with other innocents.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    So true, and a rare moment where I agree with you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: BOSTON GLOBE: Congresswoman critical, 6 dead in Tucson rampage : So true, and a rare moment where I agree with you.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    So glad we agree...

    ...because with that said and concurred upon, it should be understood that this tragedy was not a non-political act.  A federal judge is dead, purposefully.  A congresswoman is clinging to life through no fault of her own (excepting a noble desire to publicly engage her constituents).  These are public officials, and there will be political consequences.  How our officials react to and take responsibility for those consequences is what governing is all about.  How we, as a people, similarly react is what responsible citizenry is all about.

    In the meantime, it's good we can come together, if ever so briefly, to offer mutual condolences for the fallen as well as mutual support for those who bravely helped to prevent further loss and apprehend the culprit.
     
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    Its tough to buy any meme about incendiary rhetoric on "both sides" until somebody provides  a list of Democrats who have used violent imagery to make political points.

    So far all I've seen are pathetic references to "charts with targets" with no evidence, quotes taken out of context, etc. And even if you add up all those as legitimate, they don't come anywhere near the volume of fear-mongering talk from the right. This idea that there is equivalence is tired and spurious
     

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