Bungler in Chief at it again

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    The truth hurts.

     

    Anyone proposing or even suggesting military intervention against russia over crimea has some serious anger issues.

    Alas, most of americans agree with POTUS.

    We MUST stop believing in the absurdly magical thinking of U.S. military hegemony over all creatures great and small.  Even IF our military could make a difference, it says nothing about whether we should.

     

     

     



    You are as dumb as WDYWN. What good does it do to say we are not going to take military action?? It only has an adverse impact on our position.

    So I guess you and WDYWN have some contacts with Putin and know that he had/has no reason to fear military action by NATO??

    Awesome. Instead of contributing nonsense to this board you should be working for the CIA.

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    Calling me names won't help your case at all.

    Please elaborate on what our "position" is on this conflict.  If you think that it includes possible military action against Russia, then you are mistaken.

    Again, even IF we could do something militarily, why on earth would we...?

    The reason for taking it "off the table" is because it was never even close to begin with.

    Alas, some people need the obvious stated to them loud and clear.

     

     

     
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    A map of Europe with countries in blue, cyan, orange, and yellow based on their NATO affiliation.

    Ukraine borders 4 NATO countries. 

    What will your hero do when Ukraine is occupied? Hopefully Putin can be stalled long enough to avoid Obama being put in that situation.

    You morons want proof the sky is blue. Let's tell them in advance we are going to do nothing is a great strategy.

    Obama and the Red Line - glad you have pointed out no matter what he does he can't be trusted and is a f up.

     

     
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    and here I am thinking that Paul Ryan was the B.I.C.

     
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    A map of Europe with countries in blue, cyan, orange, and yellow based on their NATO affiliation.

    Ukraine borders 4 NATO countries. 

    What will your hero do when Ukraine is occupied? Hopefully Putin can be stalled long enough to avoid Obama being put in that situation.

    You morons want proof the sky is blue. Let's tell them in advance we are going to do nothing is a great strategy.

    Obama and the Red Line - glad you have pointed out no matter what he does he can't be trusted and is a f up.

     

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    Ukraine is NOT a NATO country, and the U.S. is not treaty-bound to protect it.

    The use of military force by us would be an utterly desperate act.  Why would we feed that perception??

    Better, why are you pushing our military into another war it can't win...?

     

     

     
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    I may be an a hole, but I do not have posts removed.

     
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    Obama is letting this thing get out of control. We are going to a gunfight, not with a knife, but a community activist mediator.

     

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    Obama is enforcing sanctions against Putin's supporters.

     

     

     

    What can/should he do to prevent "this thing [getting] out of control"? Why would it be worth it? Why would it work?

     

     


    We're still waiting.

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    Why should I spend time proving the obvious? If you need proof that exposing your tactics to the enemy is a bad idea then you are just plain stupid.

    He is letting this get out of control with his continual ineptitude. First with Libya and lying to Putin, then in Syria looking like a complete idiot with the red line talk (even Kerry called Syria policy a failure), then he gives in on talks with Iran, the Russians and the Syrians are dragging their feet to destroy the chemical weapons, Egypt is now going to the Russians to get military equipment paid for by Saudi Arabia...

    What more does an intelligent person need to know? Putin sees Obama as weak and Obama is doing nothing to change the picutre.

    As for you, you are beyond help. 

     
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    "Obama svcks"

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    And in quite a few ways he has. Odd that they've got to make things up when there's low-hanging fruit right there for the taking.

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    I often wonder about that, too.  

    My only suspicion is that they see those genuine 'scandals' as moves that they agree with and will continue if they take control....

     

     

     
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    He is letting this get out of control with his continual ineptitude. First with Libya and lying to Putin, then in Syria looking like a complete idiot with the red line talk (even Kerry called Syria policy a failure), then he gives in on talks with Iran, the Russians and the Syrians are dragging their feet to destroy the chemical weapons, Egypt is now going to the Russians to get military equipment paid for by Saudi Arabia...

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    You're suggesting causes and effects that just aren't there.

    Nothing is "out of control" here.  You only think it is.

    There are logical arguments for and against each one of those policy decisions, but so far you haven't made a single one of them.

     

    Instead, you've got plenty of insults and childish name-calling...hardly a substitute, IMO.

     

     

     

     
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    [QUOTE]What can/should he do to prevent "this thing [getting] out of control"? Why would it be worth it? Why would it work?[/QUOTE]

    Still waiting for evidence that the Obama administration was not caught completely flat-footed by the events in Ukraine and that they had a fully fleshed contigency plan in just in case Russia started being more aggressive towards it's neighbors.

    Or was that too "80's" for them?

     

     

     
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    Update: Banned from Traveling to Russia

    Russia imposed entry bans Thursday on nine U.S. lawmakers and officials in retaliation to Washington's sanctions over Crimea.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry released the list, which includes House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.,

    The other Americans hit with the travel bans were White House staffers Dan Pfeiffer, Ben Rhodes and Caroline Atkinson and Sens. Mary Landrieu, D-La., and Dan Coats, R-Ind.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101489046

     
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    Okay, I get your point, you don't care if our country is prepared in case one of our enemies starts acting up.

    By the way, that was an awesome movie that you just referenced.

    IT'S GOT ELECTROLYTES!

     
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    Jesus Christ. The point the OP was making was about holding one's card close to his vest so as not to tip anyone off either way. He wasn't advocating going to war. He wasn't talking about contingenciy plans. It was simply about keeping the other player on his toes and not tipping him off. That's it. Can we move on now???

     
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    WASHINGTON — President Obama on Thursday announced that he would expand sanctions against Russia, blacklisting wealthy individuals with ties to the government and a bank used by them, and opening the door to broader measures against Russian energy exports.

    The measures deliver on Mr. Obama’s warning this week that the United States would ratchet up the costs for Russia if President Vladimir V. Putin moved to annex the breakaway province of Crimea. But they were aimed at forestalling further Russian incursions into eastern Ukraine, after what Mr. Obama described as troubling Russian military movements.

    In a tit-for-tat response, Moscow banned nine American officials from entering Russia, including Speaker John A. Boehner, the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, Senator John McCain of Arizona, as well as three senior White House officials.

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    Mr. Obama also said he had signed a new executive order that would allow him to impose sanctions on Russian industrial sectors, presumably including its energy exports — a step that would greatly tighten the economic pressure on Russia.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/us/politics/us-expanding-sanctions-against-russia-over-ukraine.html?hp

     

    Man..Putin is so tough!

    Seriously, certain tools need to admit it's plain that neither of us have any intention of getting into a conflict, and Obama did nothing wrong by daring to admit that hoplessly unavoidable fact.

    We'll trade sanctions back and forth as people try to save face, Russia will keep Crimea, and none of it will because Obama said we aren't sending in the military.

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    Sorry but you are just plain wrong.

    There was no reason to publicly state military options were off the table. There is no positive reason to make such a statement. The only outcomes are benign and negative.

    There is no reason to prove such an assertion is true because we all know it is true as sure as the sky is blue.

    THe Russians are already in Eastern Ukraine while you smuggly state they'll be satisifed with Crimea. What a dope. Why weren't they satisfied with Georgia.

     
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    We'll trade sanctions back and forth as people try to save face, Russia will keep Crimea, and none of it will because Obama said we aren't sending in the military.

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    Yup, you can all go home now...it's all over!

    Not so fast WNDYW, Putin might have something to say about that....

    .....stay tuned.

     

     
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    Obama takes military action in Ukraine off the table. 

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Obama-Military-Action-Russia-Ukraine-Crimea-Tensions-Troops-251067481.html#ixzz2wRwFEJW6

    Personally, I don't see any reason to get involved in military action either, but Obama is being an idiot to rule it out publicly. Of course he does tend to lie so who knows what the bleep is going on.

    This is just giving Putin tremendous joy. Ukraine is his whenever he wants. 

    Obama is letting this thing get out of control. We are going to a gunfight, not with a knife, but a community activist mediator.

     

     

     

     

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    Obama is just stating the obvious, we and our allies have no stomach for military action to save Crimea from itself.  Hard to get riled up when the vast majority want to go to Russia and western European boarders have shifted for centuries.

    Obama's problem is, foot in mouth disease when he draws lines with check he can't cash.

    I listened to an interesting segment on NPR this morning where they spoke with the US's Ambassador to the Ukraine from the 90's.  He said that there was nothing we can do about it, but Obama played it poorly allowing for criticism.

    One thing he was clear about which was different from my earlier understanding, is that Crimea doesn't have a real economy it's supported 40% by government subsidies and the biggest industry was eastern Ukrainian tourists.  They spoke with a tourist agency and they said that everyone has cancelled their holiday/vacation travel.  So Putin may feel good now but its going to cost $$ him big time.

     

     
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    There is a big Natural gas find off the coast of Israel.  OPEC and Russia have been fighting a pipeline to bring the gas to Europe.  I wonder how the whole Crimea Crisis will impact that pipeline.

    I personally have no problem with Crimea being part of Russia - historically it was part of Russia.  But I do have an issue with how they went about it.  I think they should have paid for it with debt forgiveness, load garrantees, locked in low price for energy, etc.

    What prevents the Ukranians from blowing up the pipeline used to deliver Russian natural Gas to Europe? 

     
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    What prevents the Ukranians from blowing up the pipeline used to deliver Russian natural Gas to Europe? 

     

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    The same nation willing to throw thirty million unequipped men at German tanks until they drove the Germans off.

     

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    blowing up the pipeline would cripple the Russian economy.  

     
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    What prevents the Ukranians from blowing up the pipeline used to deliver Russian natural Gas to Europe? 

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    5000 military aircrafts, and 1.2 million Russian troops

     

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