Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

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    Cain's comments go to show just how out of touch the republican party is with the situation in this country. I believe in personal responsiblilty as well..but when the jobs aren't there..what do you suggest? Sure..one can flip burgers at McDonald's..but that is not going to get one enough hours or enough income to pay the bills.
     
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    Sure..one can flip burgers at McDonald's..but that is not going to get one enough hours or enough income to pay the bills.


    And not working will???
     
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    In Response to Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself : Ummm, there's this thing called accountability. You know that thing you wingnuts keep trying to hide from. What Cain said is: Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself." In other words, Wall Street, that collection of companies that needed trillions in public bailout money has no responsibility for the havoac they have caused. As a matter of fact it sounds as if he would want to give them more money, gratis just for being Wall Street. Socialism for the capitalists and captitalism for the rest of us. The guys a moron and a socialist and anyone who believes this manure is just as dumb.
    Posted by airborne-rgr



     Who bailed them out? I was against the bailouts of Wall street/GM Chrysler (Obama) and TARP (Bush)!

    Funny how they say "there too big to fail so, we must give them all your money" then turn around and say "they are just greedy money hoarders who hurt the little man"!

    it would be comical if, it wasn't so assinine!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself : Ahh the Nuremberg defense. “Fraud is fraud. If you’re ordered to violate the law and you violate the law, you’re not innocent,” he said. “That’s the Nuremberg defense. In the trials after World War II, the defendants, the Nazis claimed, I did this, but someone ordered me to do it. You can’t just say you’re not responsible because someone told you to do it.” Some say these middle-manager types (who have been identified at GMAC Mortgage LLC, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., Bank of America Corp. and OneWest Bank, in depositions by consumer lawyers), if they did what they say they did, committed fraud in hundreds and even thousands of foreclosure cases by claiming knowledge of a financial matter of which they had no personal knowledge. http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/10/07/debate-over-robo-signers-did-they-commit-fraud/
    Posted by airborne-rgr



    The net result really didn't change anything, except delay the foreclosures. The papers we redone, more process time was taken, then 6 months later when we should be starting a recovery the delayed foreclosures show up in the housing market and depress values again.

    I haven't read that the "robo-signers" were signing documents that didn't substantiate the foreclosure, it was more an authorized signature process issue. I'm sure that there were some mistakes but these we on the edges and not a driving problem.

    Fraud does come down to intent.

    Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.

    These elements contain nuances that are not all easily proved. First, not all false statements are fraudulent. To be fraudulent, a false statement must relate to a material fact. It should also substantially affect a person's decision to enter into a contract or pursue a certain course of action. A false statement of fact that does not bear on the disputed transaction will not be considered fraudulent.

    Second, the defendant must know that the statement is untrue. A statement of fact that is simply mistaken is not fraudulent. To be fraudulent, a false statement must be made with intent to deceive the victim. This is perhaps the easiest element to prove, once falsity and materiality are proved, because most material false statements are designed to mislead.

    Third, the false statement must be made with the intent to deprive the victim of some legal right.

    Fourth, the victim's reliance on the false statement must be reasonable. Reliance on a patently absurd false statement generally will not give rise to fraud; however, people who are especially gullible, superstitious, or ignorant or who are illiterate may recover damages for fraud if the defendant knew and took advantage of their condition.

    Finally, the false statement must cause the victim some injury that leaves her or him in a worse position than she or he was in before the fraud.

     
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    Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

    There are numerous factors that individuals DO NOT control that adversely effect whether they succeed or fail in life.  For instance, folks who have nothing to do with the financial markets getting laid off because the business the work for can longer get reliable credit because the money markets are frozen as a result of some bank they have no affliation with failing and taking billions and billions of dollars with them.  These people have no right to complain?  We tell our kids that to be successful they must not only finish high school but go to college (and increasingly to grad school) and they are inundated with studies showing the income disparities among people with only a diploma, with some college, with a college degree, etc and so they apply and enroll in university only to be saddled with Tuition that increases at a rate higher than inflation forcing them to borrow now so they can have successful lives tomorrow.  These people have no right to complain? 

    What about the people getting squeezed on food prices, gas, heating oil, and other items tied directly to a commodities market that has been exploited by investment banks who have dervived income by forcing prices of foodstuffs, gas, etc up to levels unprecendented in American history.  They have no right to complain?  When the entities driving market forces that the average american isn't involved with do these things and ultimately get bailed out for ruining everything I would think the average person who gets stuck with tab, loses their job, loses their home, and remain saddled in debt with no recourse of their own SHOULD complain.  Cain is an idiot. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself : Whaaaaaat? There ya go again trying to pass the buck and avoid responsibility. Public policy had nothing to do with mortgage companies falsifying loan applications or abdicating their fiduciary duty to vet every and all applicants. It's their freakin job!!!!!! Lax oversight is not an excuse to start breaking the law!!!! The public was against the Wall Street rescue so how could they be culpable? That's the reality spanky.
    Posted by airborne-rgr


    Airhead Ranger, this is why you fail.  You don't understand what went on, nor do you understand Cain's comments. 

    This is also further evidence you are not a member of the military, because in the military, they teach you all about RESPONSIBILITY.

    the simple truth is that it is a rough world out there.  NO ONE, no government, no politician, no bank, no community organizer is going to help you buck up and be the type of man that is responsible for themselves, and doesn't blame their inadequacies on others. 

    Be prepared to take lumps and make your own way, and bring a change of underwear.
     
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    There are numerous factors that individuals DO NOT control that adversely effect whether they succeed or fail in life.  For instance, folks who have nothing to do with the financial markets getting laid off because the business the work for can longer get reliable credit because the money markets are frozen as a result of some bank they have no affliation with failing and taking billions and billions of dollars with them.  These people have no right to complain?  We tell our kids that to be successful they must not only finish high school but go to college (and increasingly to grad school) and they are inundated with studies showing the income disparities among people with only a diploma, with some college, with a college degree, etc and so they apply and enroll in university only to be saddled with Tuition that increases at a rate higher than inflation forcing them to borrow now so they can have successful lives tomorrow.  These people have no right to complain?  What about the people getting squeezed on food prices, gas, heating oil, and other items tied directly to a commodities market that has been exploited by investment banks who have dervived income by forcing prices of foodstuffs, gas, etc up to levels unprecendented in American history.  They have no right to complain?  When the entities driving market forces that the average american isn't involved with do these things and ultimately get bailed out for ruining everything I would think the average person who gets stuck with tab, loses their job, loses their home, and remain saddled in debt with no recourse of their own SHOULD complain.  Cain is an idiot. 
    Posted by DamainAllen

    As a society we have become soft as President Obama recently stated.


    We have lost our competitive edge and our sense of individual responsibility to take care of ourselves.  This countries residents in the past took great adversity (dust bowl, depresssion, WWII), persevered and moved on with new determination to fulfill the American Dream.

    Today people are too quick to blame others for their situation; whether they signed a mortgage they couldn't handle or student loans to which they now have buyers remorse.  I know when I graduated college in the late 70's, I had to look out of region to find a job working in an aligned field, but not what I wanted for less money than I expected.  But I persevered, lived simply within my means and paid my bills.  I took my opporunites and turned them into a good career.

    Today I could complain that the spoils that "should" be available to me while I'm in my 50's aren't there.  The world is more competitive, senior level salaries are less than what my predecessors' were and I find my self surrounded by diversity goals which bring younger less seasoned staff up the ladder who have less skills.

    But I'm happy I'm employed and doing what I like to do, so I adapted my expectations to create my new reality.  A persons success is driven by skill set, opportunity and how successful they were with that opportunity.

     
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    In Response to Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself :  I lived in Carter's 1976's failure. prices jumped ,no gas, lay offs. no one blamed the banks. Cain and "WE THE PEOPLE " were against the to big to fail bailout that Obama and Bush did. Bush was a "RINO"  Live your own life /> Responsibility.
    Posted by howiewho


    It would have been stupid to blame the banks since the oil embargo had nothing to do with banking and everything to do with Iranian revolution. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself : As a society we have become soft as President Obama recently stated. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/09/29/obama-u-s-has-become-a-little-soft/ We have lost our competitive edge and our sense of individual responsibility to take care of ourselves.  This countries residents in the past took great adversity (dust bowl, depresssion, WWII), persevered and moved on with new determination to fulfill the American Dream. Today people are too quick to blame others for their situation; whether they signed a mortgage they couldn't handle or student loans to which they now have buyers remorse.  I know when I graduated college in the late 70's, I had to look out of region to find a job working in an aligned field, but not what I wanted for less money than I expected.  But I persevered, lived simply within my means and paid my bills.  I took my opporunites and turned them into a good career. Today I could complain that the spoils that "should" be available to me while I'm in my 50's aren't there.  The world is more competitive, senior level salaries are less than what my predecessors' were and I find my self surrounded by diversity goals which bring younger less seasoned staff up the ladder who have less skills. But I'm happy I'm employed and doing what I like to do, so I adapted my expectations to create my new reality.  A persons success is driven by skill set, opportunity and how successful they were with that opportunity.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe


    This isn't an issue of responsibility but fairness.  If people have to choose between enormous debt or not going to college then the society is broken.  The fact is an extremely small minority of people in this country have steadily gotten ahead - even during this most recent depression - while the middle and working class have carried the burden of job losses, stagnant salaries, and increasing costs while getting stuck with the bill for the bailouts that they were told were necessary to save the entire system.  In other words sacrifice.  So when do these people get level set and made whole?  And lets not pretend that the events of the Dust Bowl, the depression, or WWII didn't have a significant role played by the government to smooth over the discomfort the average american was dealing with, because that is simply not true, historical events refute any claim of the sort. 
     
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    Cain's comments go to show just how out of touch the republican party is with the situation in this country. I believe in personal responsiblilty as well..but when the jobs aren't there..what do you suggest? Sure..one can flip burgers at McDonald's..but that is not going to get one enough hours or enough income to pay the bills.
    Posted by miscricket

    Personal responsability is out of touch? You ARE a liberal Wink
     
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    Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

    Hahaha...so blaming ones self ISN'T taking responsibility. You're a useless idiot
     
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    Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

    You're so arrogant you are unable to admit when you're wrong. How sad for you. Explains your loneliness.
     
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    Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

    Hahaha...keep telling yourself that....it's all ya got
     
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    Re: Cain: Not rich? No job? Blame yourself

    Bwahahahahahaha....you can't even be honest with yourself. Oh wait...should I say truthful instead? I don't want to confuse you...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
     
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