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Call me a male chauvinist !

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      If EVERY mother's son/daughter stood an equal chance of doing a tour in Afghanistan or Iraq, these stupid wars would never have happened.  Bring back the draft to stop the wars.



    I've only served in an all-volunteer military but I am against a draft.

    Drafting people into the military who don't want to be there would have a negative effect on readiness and moral.

    I do believe there should be compulsory service, just not necessarily military service.

     
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     If EVERY mother's son/daughter stood an equal chance of doing a tour in Afghanistan or Iraq, these stupid wars would never have happened.  Bring back the draft to stop the wars.



    Ahhh....if only that were true.

     

     
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    I do believe there should be compulsory service, just not necessarily military service.



    Agreed.  An outstanding answer...

    ...if only the govt-hating freedom-humpers would get on board.  Any mention of general community service organizations gets many on the right-wing all bothered and huffy.  I wonder why....

     

     

     
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    I do believe there should be compulsory service, just not necessarily military service.



    Agreed.  An outstanding answer...

    ...if only the govt-hating freedom-humpers would get on board.  Any mention of general community service organizations gets many on the right-wing all bothered and huffy.  I wonder why....

     

     



    I would imagine these people get all "bothered" and "huffy" because they feel we live in a free country where people shouldn't be forced to do something against their will.

    Oh and it's not always "right-wing" who gets bothered and huffy by it. Ask majority of kids graduating high school and college if they're into it....they get bothered and huffy over the thought of the idea. The school I coach at makes kids do community service. Not one likes it.

    Seems the people who are for compulsory service are the ones would would be too old for it. That's rather convenient.

     

     

     
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    I would imagine these people get all "bothered" and "huffy" because they feel we live in a free country where people shouldn't be forced to do something against their will. Oh and it's not always "right-wing" who gets bothered and huffy by it. Ask majority of kids graduating high school and college if they're into it....they get bothered and huffy over the thought of the idea. The school I coach at makes kids do community service. Not one likes it. Seems the people who are for compulsory service are the ones would would be too old for it. That's rather convenient. 



    Heh, heh, heh..."The kids don't like it so don't do it."

    And people wonder why we are becoming a country of cream puffs.

     

     
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    I would imagine these people get all "bothered" and "huffy" because they feel we live in a free country where people shouldn't be forced to do something against their will. Oh and it's not always "right-wing" who gets bothered and huffy by it. Ask majority of kids graduating high school and college if they're into it....they get bothered and huffy over the thought of the idea. The school I coach at makes kids do community service. Not one likes it. Seems the people who are for compulsory service are the ones would would be too old for it. That's rather convenient. 




    Heh, heh, heh..."The kids don't like it so don't do it."

     

    And people wonder why we are becoming a country of cream puffs.

     



    Right because that's what I said....

    Keep on lying 12-Angry...it's what you do best

     
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    I do believe there should be compulsory service, just not necessarily military service.



    Agreed.  An outstanding answer...

    ...if only the govt-hating freedom-humpers would get on board.  Any mention of general community service organizations gets many on the right-wing all bothered and huffy.  I wonder why....

     

     



    I would imagine these people get all "bothered" and "huffy" because they feel we live in a free country where people shouldn't be forced to do something against their will.

    Oh and it's not always "right-wing" who gets bothered and huffy by it. Ask majority of kids graduating high school and college if they're into it....they get bothered and huffy over the thought of the idea. The school I coach at makes kids do community service. Not one likes it.

    Seems the people who are for compulsory service are the ones would would be too old for it. That's rather convenient.

     

     



    But, it was fine when we were drafting kids into the military, or when we passed a law that said kids must be in school up to a certain age.

    POTUS had a proposal that offered students tuition breaks in exchange for a year or two of community service - programs like City Year or Americorps...and the frothy right went ape-s**t over the thought of "Obama's Citizen Army" and, in their godwin-esque way, images of jackbooted thugs.  

    So, you see how people get up in arms over the supposed loss of their perceived "freedoms".  It does no good to pretend the right-wing hasn't mocked POTUS endlessly as a "community organizer" as if it's a bad thing that he wasn't working on wall st. or making millions in private equity markets like R-Money.

    My high school also had a community service requirement to graduate, and it led me to going on 25 years of volunteer work.  Mandates aside, it's simply selfish not to help one's neighbors in need and might just pick up some slack in lieu of other social and charity spending.

    How is that a bad thing?  To me, it brings together the best aspects of both liberalism and conservatism.  But it's a double standard to honor a soldier for their "service" while not also respecting the volunteer for theirs.

     

     
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    But, it was fine when we were drafting kids into the military, or when we passed a law that said kids must be in school up to a certain age.

    POTUS had a proposal that offered students tuition breaks in exchange for a year or two of community service - programs like City Year or Americorps...and the frothy right went ape-s**t over the thought of "Obama's Citizen Army" and, in their godwin-esque way, images of jackbooted thugs.  

    So, you see how people get up in arms over the supposed loss of their perceived "freedoms".  It does no good to pretend the right-wing hasn't mocked POTUS endlessly as a "community organizer" as if it's a bad thing that he wasn't working on wall st. or making millions in private equity markets like R-Money.

    My high school also had a community service requirement to graduate, and it led me to going on 25 years of volunteer work.  Mandates aside, it's simply selfish not to help one's neighbors in need and might just pick up some slack in lieu of other social and charity spending.

    How is that a bad thing?  To me, it brings together the best aspects of both liberalism and conservatism.  But it's a double standard to honor a soldier for their "service" while not also respecting the volunteer for theirs.

     



    Well said.....Reminds me of a few years ago when President Obama wanted to speak to students in our public schools VIA closed circuit television and encourage them to stay in school, study hard, and go to college. The reaction by the far right was as if Stalin himself had come back from the dead and was going to read The Communist Manifesto. Numerous parents were asking to opt out and keep their children home that day.......Try governing a country like that.

 
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    But, it was fine when we were drafting kids into the military, or when we passed a law that said kids must be in school up to a certain age.

    POTUS had a proposal that offered students tuition breaks in exchange for a year or two of community service - programs like City Year or Americorps...and the frothy right went ape-s**t over the thought of "Obama's Citizen Army" and, in their godwin-esque way, images of jackbooted thugs.  

    So, you see how people get up in arms over the supposed loss of their perceived "freedoms".  It does no good to pretend the right-wing hasn't mocked POTUS endlessly as a "community organizer" as if it's a bad thing that he wasn't working on wall st. or making millions in private equity markets like R-Money.

    My high school also had a community service requirement to graduate, and it led me to going on 25 years of volunteer work.  Mandates aside, it's simply selfish not to help one's neighbors in need and might just pick up some slack in lieu of other social and charity spending.

    How is that a bad thing?  To me, it brings together the best aspects of both liberalism and conservatism.  But it's a double standard to honor a soldier for their "service" while not also respecting the volunteer for theirs.

     



    But, it was fine when we were drafting kids into the military,

     

    It was? Who exactly was fine with the draft? I seem to have read quite a bit about plenty who had issue with it.

     

     

    or when we passed a law that said kids must be in school up to a certain age.

     

    People were fine with citizens getting an education? Go figure.

     

    I have no problem with community service. I was merely explaining that many...cons and libs would have issue with being forced into some kind of service.

    My school didn't have community service and yet I've been volunteering for past 22 years. I still like having the freedom of choice in this country. If it's a program like Obama offered I have no problem with that because it's still a choice. It's similar to having military pay for college...the catch is you owe the military some time. That's fair. Again, your choice.

    But what was brought up earlier and was applauded was compulsory service. That I don't agree with. No one should be forced into anything. 

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    Re: Call me a male chauvinist !

    How bout having them register for Selective Service?  The NOWers get real quiet on that one.

     
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    I must be a real ratzu rizo because I believe in the notion of Knights and Ladies.

    PFT standards for troops are lower now than they were when I was in the service.

    There were no females assigned to combat units when I was in the Corps during the late 70's and early 80's. Females were allowed in Motor T , to fix our weapons, do admin etc. I don't ever recall seeing a female pilot , co pilot or crew member in a Hueys, a CH47, a CH 53, a mite boat or a amtrac during my time in the Corps. I don't ever recall seeing a female repelling from a hovering coptor with over 50lbs of gear on, humping at about a pace of 4.5 mph carrying weapons, full pack for miles and then when we arrived at our location perform the duties of a rifleman, corpsman, machine gunner, motarman etc. The female body isn't made for that and the male psyche wasn't made to see a female blown to bits or to leave them dying as a male had to carry on with the mission. I don't care what the US Military has got themselves in to NOW.

    I don't want to be known as the generation of MEN who would allow our country's women to go From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli to fight our country'd battles in the air ,on land and sea.

    As for females in the Fire Service if I not mistaken but I might be, I don't think there was a female firefighter KIA  on 9/11.

     

     
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    But, it was fine when we were drafting kids into the military,

     It was? Who exactly was fine with the draft? I seem to have read quite a bit about plenty who had issue with it.

      or when we passed a law that said kids must be in school up to a certain age.

     

    People were fine with citizens getting an education? Go figure.

     

    I have no problem with community service. I was merely explaining that many...cons and libs would have issue with being forced into some kind of service.

    My school didn't have community service and yet I've been volunteering for past 22 years. I still like having the freedom of choice in this country. If it's a program like Obama offered I have no problem with that because it's still a choice. It's similar to having military pay for college...the catch is you owe the military some time. That's fair. Again, your choice.

    But what was brought up earlier and was applauded was compulsory service. That I don't agree with. No one should be forced into anything. 



    We're forced into all kinds of things, especially if we wish to preserve a certain way of life.  I consider "community service" to be a fairly broad term...to the point where I think most people volunteer for something or other during the course of their lives, whether through work, church, government, etc.

    Yesterday, we were talking about obese people who don't take responsibility for their health and instead shift the burden of paying for care onto the rest who do.  Isn't the principle the same...?

    Look, I agree that it's generally better to reward good behavior than it is to punish bad behavior, which is why I'm all for incentivizing health care outcomes from both the doctor and patient sides.  But the fact is that we get tax breaks for some things, like owning a home, but not necessarily for helping build one for a needy family.  The default is (forcefully) paying taxes in full.

    We subsidize student loans without consideration for the outcome, whereas if we subsidized student achievement on behalf of the community, the benefits would multiply.  But the 'choice' to do nothing - no work, no military, no school - isn't a choice at all

     

     
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    I must be a real ratzu rizo because I believe in the notion of Knights and Ladies. PFT standards for troops are lower now than they were when I was in the service. There were no females assigned to combat units when I was in the Corps during the late 70's and early 80's. Females were allowed in Motor T , to fix our weapons, do admin etc. I don't ever recall seeing a female pilot , co pilot or crew member in a Hueys, a CH47, a CH 53, a mite boat or a amtrac during my time in the Corps. I don't ever recall seeing a female repelling from a hovering coptor with over 50lbs of gear on, humping at about a pace of 4.5 mph carrying weapons, full pack for miles and then when we arrived at our location perform the duties of a rifleman, corpsman, machine gunner, motarman etc. The female body isn't made for that and the male psyche wasn't made to see a female blown to bits or to leave them dying as a male had to carry on with the mission. I don't care what the US Military has got themselves in to NOW. I don't want to be known as the generation of MEN who would allow our country's women to go From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli to fight our country'd battles in the air ,on land and sea. As for females in the Fire Service if I not mistaken but I might be, I don't think there was a female firefighter KIA  on 9/11. 



    They might not have been firefighters but the women first-responders who died in 9/11 were no less brave.

    Jim Smith is now a retired NYPD officer, but on the morning of 9/11 he was an instructor of law at the police academy. His wife, Moira, was a patrol officer assigned to the Thirteenth Precinct on Twenty-first Street, around the corner from the academy, and she responded to the World Trade Center. Moira helped one person out of the South Tower to safety and had returned to help others in the evacuation when the building fell.

     
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    I must be a real ratzu rizo because I believe in the notion of Knights and Ladies.

    PFT standards for troops are lower now than they were when I was in the service.

    There were no females assigned to combat units when I was in the Corps during the late 70's and early 80's. Females were allowed in Motor T , to fix our weapons, do admin etc. I don't ever recall seeing a female pilot , co pilot or crew member in a Hueys, a CH47, a CH 53, a mite boat or a amtrac during my time in the Corps. I don't ever recall seeing a female repelling from a hovering coptor with over 50lbs of gear on, humping at about a pace of 4.5 mph carrying weapons, full pack for miles and then when we arrived at our location perform the duties of a rifleman, corpsman, machine gunner, motarman etc. The female body isn't made for that and the male psyche wasn't made to see a female blown to bits or to leave them dying as a male had to carry on with the mission. I don't care what the US Military has got themselves in to NOW.

    I don't want to be known as the generation of MEN who would allow our country's women to go From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli to fight our country'd battles in the air ,on land and sea.

    As for females in the Fire Service if I not mistaken but I might be, I don't think there was a female firefighter KIA  on 9/11.

     



    Like I said, 

    I'll be in the kitchen.

     
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    I must be a real ratzu rizo because I believe in the notion of Knights and Ladies. PFT standards for troops are lower now than they were when I was in the service. There were no females assigned to combat units when I was in the Corps during the late 70's and early 80's. Females were allowed in Motor T , to fix our weapons, do admin etc. I don't ever recall seeing a female pilot , co pilot or crew member in a Hueys, a CH47, a CH 53, a mite boat or a amtrac during my time in the Corps. I don't ever recall seeing a female repelling from a hovering coptor with over 50lbs of gear on, humping at about a pace of 4.5 mph carrying weapons, full pack for miles and then when we arrived at our location perform the duties of a rifleman, corpsman, machine gunner, motarman etc. The female body isn't made for that and the male psyche wasn't made to see a female blown to bits or to leave them dying as a male had to carry on with the mission. I don't care what the US Military has got themselves in to NOW. I don't want to be known as the generation of MEN who would allow our country's women to go From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli to fight our country'd battles in the air ,on land and sea. As for females in the Fire Service if I not mistaken but I might be, I don't think there was a female firefighter KIA  on 9/11. 




    "Women were down there from the time that the first plane hit the first tower," she said. "Women were trapped in the rubble. Three women rescue workers were killed that day" -- Port Authority Capt. Kathy Mazza, police officer Moira Smith and paramedic Yamel Merino.

     

    Trapped in the rubble of the towers:
    -FDNY Lietenant Brenda Berkman
    -EMT Bonnie Jean Giebfried
    -NYPD Lieutenant Terri Tobin
    -FDNY Firefighter Maureen McArdle Schulman

     
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    I must be a real ratzu rizo because I believe in the notion of Knights and Ladies. PFT standards for troops are lower now than they were when I was in the service. There were no females assigned to combat units when I was in the Corps during the late 70's and early 80's. Females were allowed in Motor T , to fix our weapons, do admin etc. I don't ever recall seeing a female pilot , co pilot or crew member in a Hueys, a CH47, a CH 53, a mite boat or a amtrac during my time in the Corps. I don't ever recall seeing a female repelling from a hovering coptor with over 50lbs of gear on, humping at about a pace of 4.5 mph carrying weapons, full pack for miles and then when we arrived at our location perform the duties of a rifleman, corpsman, machine gunner, motarman etc. The female body isn't made for that and the male psyche wasn't made to see a female blown to bits or to leave them dying as a male had to carry on with the mission. I don't care what the US Military has got themselves in to NOW. I don't want to be known as the generation of MEN who would allow our country's women to go From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli to fight our country'd battles in the air ,on land and sea. As for females in the Fire Service if I not mistaken but I might be, I don't think there was a female firefighter KIA  on 9/11. 




    They might not have been firefighters but the women first-responders who died in 9/11 were no less brave.

     

    Jim Smith is now a retired NYPD officer, but on the morning of 9/11 he was an instructor of law at the police academy. His wife, Moira, was a patrol officer assigned to the Thirteenth Precinct on Twenty-first Street, around the corner from the academy, and she responded to the World Trade Center. Moira helped one person out of the South Tower to safety and had returned to help others in the evacuation when the building fell.

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    I'm not saying women aren't brave. My mother was one of the most courageous and clear thinking person I have ever met.

    Women have all the psycholigal abilities and aptitude to do any job in the world . My point is that they don't have the physical abilities to get the job done.

     
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    Excuse me , I'm sorry . I meant to state to get some jobs done.

     
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    My point is that they don't have the physical abilities to get the job done. Well, if they made the standards the same for women in combat as for men, then they would have the physical abilities. They'd have to work a lot harder to build up to them, what with the lack of testosterone. But some can do it.



    That's my position.

    If they can physically do the job, let 'em. There's a reason for having the minimum requirements, so each team member, to a person, recieves the same training and they know the person standing next to them went through the same ordeal.

    If anyone can survive the spec-ops training I went through then that's good enough for me.

    It would definitely take some 'adjustments' on my part but I would like to give them the shot they deserve rather than exclude them because of my 'feelings'.

     
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    To 12-Angry-Men I repsect your opinion but I do disagree with you. I myself wouldn't allow women in combat units under any conditions but hey what do I know .

    BTW I'll leave the discussion of a female soldier becoming pregnant for another day !

     

     
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    To 12-Angry-Men I repsect your opinion but I do disagree with you. I myself wouldn't allow women in combat units under any conditions but hey what do I know .BTW I'll leave the discussion of a female soldier becoming pregnant for another day ! 



    No problemo...agree to disagree.

     

     
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    Dinner's ready!

     
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    To 12-Angry-Men I repsect your opinion but I do disagree with you. I myself wouldn't allow women in combat units under any conditions but hey what do I know .BTW I'll leave the discussion of a female soldier becoming pregnant for another day ! 




    No problemo...agree to disagree.

     

     



     Have a good night !

    Semper Fi !

     
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    Dinner's ready!


     

    msobstinate I got to run . My wife just pulled into the driveway . I have to put my apron back on and get in the kitchen and pretend I'm slaving over a chickenpot pie !

    Bye !

     
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    Question of the Day: At Officer Candidates School (OCS), candidates must complete the Quigley, an obstacle course comprised of a four-foot trench filled with muddy water. 

Who is the Quigley named after? 

This photo is property of the United States Marine Corps Division of Public Affairs.

     
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    It's a moot point for me.

    Did my time, got my coins... and some souvenier shrapnel as a parting gift.

    I ain't going back anytime soon.

     
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