Re: Calling out Godvernment
posted at 6/17/2013 6:19 PM EDT
In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
In response to StalkingButler's comment:
You're missing a rather large piece of the puzzle. Did the black population of South Africa engage in a systematic terror campaign against unarmed white civilians? No they did not.
If the Arab populations of the areas annexed from Jordan, Egypt, and Syria chose to be integrated into Israeli society they'd have all the rights and privileges of their Israeli bretheren. That they don't and have forced the Israelis to take defensive measures is not the fault of Israel.
Compare the tactics used by Israel to keep their people safe to those use by the Arab regimes in the region towards Jews and now Christians. Jews have almost completely been ethnically cleansed from all of these countries and Christians are in danger of having the same happen to them. If Israel were as evil as you pretend there wouldn't be much of a problem left there after 40 years of Israeli rule, the Arabs would all be gone.
That they are not intersted in living peacefully with Israel is proven daily by the Arabs of Gaza and their constant barrage of rockets into Israel.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
It makes one lament the lack of access to the best ships of sci-fi fantasy. Gee I wonder what we would see if we hopped into another universe, where a surviving contingent of native Americans had taken over part of Canada, spent decades rocketing/bombing the U.S., elected a government dedicated to destroying America and killing whitey....
...and take a looksy at our response.
Oh yeah. What am I talking about. Decades? There could be no such universe because America would invariably splatter who ever it was all over the maple trees. Israel has been incredibly stoic in comparison to what America, or really just about any other country, does when attacked (if able to defend itself).
And let us not forget that the British offered the arabs now calling themselves "Palestinians" a larger chunk of Ottoman land than they are now claiming:
U.N. 1947 proposal.
Then, what they ended up with:
Which, of course, they forfeited by conspiring with Egypt and Jordan in a bid to Destroy Israel:
Mean old-Israel, not giving Ottoman/British land to a group of people dedicated to its destruction. I mean honestly
i have no clue how you don't see all of the double standards and flawed logic in your arguments. the people who lived in the land now called israel prior to 1948 while Britain controlled it are the same people that lived on the land now called israel while the Ottomans controlled it. the foreign powers that governed over the land is irrelevant from a moral perspective.
james balfour and the british government, not the people of britain, agreed to give a portion of palestine to rothschild and his zionist organization in 1917 as a "national home" for the jewish people, not a national "state". this is proven by winston churchill's "1922 white paper" in which both the british government and the zionist organization both denied that a jewish "state" was the intention of the balfour declaration.
there was virtually zero anti-semetism in palestine prior to 1917. many jews moved from europe to arabic lands in palestine and northern africa to escape anti-semetism because they knew that arabs/muslims were accepting of jews. instead of moving their jewish brethren to palestine to live peacefully amongst their arab neighbors, zionists decided to claim the land for themselves and create a jewish state based on their religion (something we frown at here in the USA). how would they turn a majority arab land into a majority jewish land? terrorism.
instead of finding a reasonable way to relocate and compensate the people of palestine for the land that they were taking (for free), zionists decided to demolish homes and force everyone out. do you have the empathy and integrity to put yourself in their shoes in a situation like that? no reasonable and moral human would be ok with this.
native americans lived on the continent of america long before europeans and spaniards discovered it. because they did so without living under a "state" doesnt give foreigners the moral right to ethnically cleanse them from the land. they were here first, europeans were the invaders. so if you believe that jews or americans have the right to defend their property and land, it would only be consistent to agree that native americans and palestinians have the right to defend their land and property also.
however, if you believe that ordinary native americans and palestinians have no right to live or defend themselves from foreign invaders trying to colonize them, then your analogy is spot on. you are "free" to support genocide and oppression. at least have some integrity and be honest about the reality of your beliefs. europeans and zionists were the invaders, native americans and palestinians defending. both did it in the name of religion, the only difference is that the USA as an independent state, was founded on freedom of and from religion, while israel was established as a "jewish" state.
at the time of the 1947 UN resolution palestine was 66% non-jewish and 33% jewish, yet only 43% of the land was allocated to an arab state, while 57% was allocated to the jewish state. is that fair? under the plan all arabs living in the land allocated to the jewish state would have had to live under a jewish government. would you be ok withe UN handing over the rights of Massachusetts to muslims? would you be ok with living under sharia law and a muslim government? would you be ok with your government accepting that offer? something tells me no. something also tells me that you would support any american militia that fought and killed to overthrow that muslim government. but would you call yourself a terrorist?
and again, as i told you before, israel has never been invaded or attacked. the 6 day war began with an israeli surprise attack. you can apologize all you want about the big bad muslims gathering at the borders, but the fact is, they never attacked. egypt had received false information the soviets that israel was preparing to attack and so they prepared for defense. you believe in the right to defend your life and land correct?
then, to top it off israeli attacked and killed americans in the uss liberty attack. the surviving american soldiers and US intelligence specialists who saw transcripts of the intercepted israeli communications say that their is reason and evidence to believe that the attack was deliberate. anyone who researches the incident in depth would agree that the incidenct appears deliberate.
time and time again, from the King David Hotel bombing to the Lavon Affair, to the USS Liberty attack, and then some, the zionists that control israel have proven to be terrorists. they have used and continue to use deceit, violence, and terrorism to fulfill their political agenda... and with the help of a crony government and zionist controlled media, the majority of americans have come to support them also.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."