Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

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    Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    http://www.cato.org/blog/best-government-action-climate-change-no-government-action-climate-change

    Even assuming there is manmade 'climate change" and even assuming government action can have any impact, what is clear is US policy on its own is irrelevant and can make no difference. The usual liberal moral preening will follow these factual statements, no doubt.

    Carbon dioxide emissions from the United States declined in 2012 and now stand at a level on par with what they were back in 1994. U.S. carbon dioxide emissions have dropped about 13 percent from their high in 2007. (Thanks to the fracking revolution, use of cleaner natural gas is on the rise...subsidized green energy solar and wind are failures with zero impact.)

    All the while, global carbon dioxide emissions have been on the rise—primarily fueled by rapid emissions growth in developing countries, namely China (which is responsible for about two-thirds of the global increase during the past decade).

    Since carbon dioxide is well-mixed in the atmosphere, who actually emits it is of little consequence when it comes to its potential to lead to global warming.  This means that the global percentage of a country’s annual carbon dioxide emissions is equivalent to its annual percentage contribution to the increased warming pressure (we use the term “warming pressure” to indicate that things other than the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases also act to influence that global average temperature from one year to the next). Since total global carbon dioxide emissions are quickly distancing themselves from U.S. emissions, as time passes, the relative influence of U.S. emissions on the future state of the global climate is rapidly declining.

    We recently showed that the United States will be responsible for only about two-tenths of a degree Celsius of total global warming by the end of this century, or about 7 percent of the total projected warming—an amount hardly worth worrying about. The rest of the world will be responsible for the other 93 percent.

    So when the president promises to “respond to the threat of climate change,” domestic actions will have virtually no impact—and yet those are the ones that are being put on the table with proposals like cap and trade, carbon taxes, emissions limits on new power plants, and actions like fuel economy standards, renewable energy subsidies, ethanol requirements, etc.

    What the president really hopes to achieve by trying to force down U.S. emissions is not direct climate change mitigation, but one or more of the following: to gain some bargaining power at international talks to address climate change; that other countries will follow the United States’ lead; or that new, lower emitting energy technologies will be developed and rapidly and safely deployed around the world.

    There is no guarantee of these outcomes.  For instance, developing countries may find it to be more in their interest to energize their economies and their citizenry through low cost and proven methods (i.e., fossil fuels) than submit to a we’ve-got-ours-but-now-you-can’t-have-yours dictate. Or new, low-emitting energy technologies may be developed without the extra incentives.

    But in any case, the United States receives no direct climate benefits until, or unless, the rest of the world makes sizeable greenhouse gas emissions reductions. (assuming  again, that greenhouse gases do result in climate change.....)

    It seems rather bizarre that our own president would support actions aimed at holding Americans hostage to limited energy choices (and quite probably higher energy prices) while hoping that the rest of the world will come to our rescue in the form of reducing carbon dioxide emissions such that future global climate change is reduced to a degree as to result in a significant and detectable mitigation of weather/climate impacts in the United States.

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    I think that Obama can probably genuinely take credit for the 'decreasing' part.

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    what is clear is US policy on its own is irrelevant and can make no difference



    Funny. Haven't heard anyone claiming that US policy on its own will fix everything.


    Heyyyyy.....is that what they call a strawman?



    No but, you are what we call a tool.

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    "Even assuming there is manmade 'climate change"

     

    You (and the Cato neo-cons) lost me and every other science-literate, thinking person at this sentence.

     

    And the rest of the argument hinges upon it - which they claim is a hypothetical anyway.  So, what's their point, exactly? 

    Oh, right....

     

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    No but, you are what we call a tool

    And since most of you appear to be liars, idiots, and douchestains....          do excuse me if I take it as a compliment.

    Your welcome.

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    "Even assuming there is manmade 'climate change"

     

    You (and the Cato neo-cons) lost me and every other science-literate, thinking person at this sentence.

     

    And the rest of the argument hinges upon it - which they claim is a hypothetical anyway.  So, what's their point, exactly? 

    Oh, right....

     


    "the rest of the argument hinges upon it"
    No it does not, my friend with snout in green energy scams...

    The point is,  that the US only contributes a small and decreasing amount to any global climate change, and the actions suggested by the President for the US will have NO impact ..... 

    Those are facts that will be ignored, because liberals want to spend tax dollars and feel good about themselves...

    Green energy is all about the green....tax money.

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    "Science literacy is a vaccine against the charlatans of the world that would exploit your ignorance."

    - Neil deGrasse Tyson

     

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    "Even assuming there is manmade 'climate change"

     

    You (and the Cato neo-cons) lost me and every other science-literate, thinking person at this sentence.

     

    And the rest of the argument hinges upon it - which they claim is a hypothetical anyway.  So, what's their point, exactly? 

    Oh, right....

     

     


    "the rest of the argument hinges upon it"
    No it does not, my friend with snout in green energy scams...

     

    The point is,  that the US only contributes a small and decreasing amount to any global climate change, and the actions suggested by the President for the US will have NO impact 



    Yes, actually it does.

    And since this is my field, I'll tell you why:

    While it's true that the U.S. contributes only a portion of greenhouse gases/air pollution (because we are less than 5% of world population)...

    ....AND that amount IS decreasing (thanks in large part to green energy and energy efficiencies supported by this president), even so:

    The data presented by Cato does not support the conclusion that more efficiencies and more sustainable energy sources will not impact global climate change, regardless of whether it's change we caused or relatively incidental to humankind.

    In fact, they say themselves they're not sure what will happen.  Climate scientists have also run probability models that say we're already too late to correct the climate change that most certainly IS happening, despite Cato's demurs.

    None of that is any excuse not to try, much less refuse to acknowledge the threat that DOES exist.

     

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

    So, other than say, Bob Byrd and a UNANIMOUS Senate, will a liberal here step up and say Kyoto is f'ing ridiculous and stop blaming Bush for ignoring it?

     



    I never blamed Bush for ignoring Kyoto. 

     

    That's just customary american arrogance.

    I blamed him for favoring his oil buddies and ignoring the existence of AGW in the first place.

     

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to FortySixAnd2's comment:

     

    How did Bush "favor his oil buddies"?

     

    (Formerly known as WhichOnesPink)



    They banned you too, huh?

    No rest for the weary, I guess....

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    climate change is a joke...its another dem made up crisis used to further their agenda....and make themselves rich, right ALGORE??

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    "None of that is any excuse not to try, much less refuse to acknowledge the threat that DOES exist."

    Translation from liberal gobbedly-gook:

    You admit that the US only plays a small and shrinking percentage of the problem, but yet the green energy scammers bravely go forward, willing to steal taxpayer billions and ruin the US private sector economy , for something even they cant logically justify...

    How gallant of you global warming heroes!

    A sane approach will be to encourage even more what has already made a huge difference: natural gas production...

    Solar, wind, electric cars....Failures.

     

     
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    Re: Climate change inconvenient truth: US is only responsible for a small and decreasing fraction of carbon dioxide emissions

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    "None of that is any excuse not to try, much less refuse to acknowledge the threat that DOES exist."

    Translation from liberal gobbedly-gook:

    You admit that the US only plays a small and shrinking percentage of the problem, but yet the green energy scammers bravely go forward, willing to steal taxpayer billions and ruin the US private sector economy , for something even they cant logically justify...

    How gallant of you global warming heroes!

    A sane approach will be to encourage even more what has already made a huge difference: natural gas production...

    Solar, wind, electric cars....Failures.

     



    It's still no excuse not to try and mitigate the damage of our own carbon emissions as best as we can.

    It would be irresponsible not to.

    Natural gas is only a small part of the solution.

    The only failure is the deniers' attempts to disprove what has already been thoroughly proven.

     

     

     

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