Climatologists Can't Explain Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down

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    Climatologists Can't Explain Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down

    From the Bible-thumping science-denying kooks at some rightwing nutjob publication known as "The Economist"....

    The "sky is falling" climate scientists must now deal with the real world data,  as it is....not just use computer models to predict calamity ...sucks, doesnt it?

    "OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, "the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade"...

    The mismatch between rising greenhouse-gas emissions and not-rising temperatures is among the biggest puzzles in climate science just now. It does not mean global warming is a delusion.[you sure about that?]

     Flat though they are, temperatures in the first decade of the 21st century remain almost 1°C above their level in the first decade of the 20th. But the puzzle does need explaining.

    The mismatch might mean that--for some unexplained reason--there has been a temporary lag between more carbon dioxide and higher temperatures in 2000-10. Or it might be that the 1990s, when temperatures were rising fast, was the anomalous period. Or, as an increasing body of research is suggesting, it may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy.

     

    It is possible, therefore, that both the rise in temperatures in the 1990s and the flattening in the 2000s have been caused in part by natural variability.

    "So what does all this amount to? The scientists are cautious about interpreting their findings. As Dr Knutti puts it, "the bottom line is that there are several lines of evidence, where the observed trends are pushing down, whereas the models are pushing up, so my personal view is that the overall assessment hasn’t changed much."

    The scientists were not cautious about going all "Al Gore" and predicting calamity, for their political overseers...but now they get cautious when the real world data doesnt confirm their theory....

    Is the good Doctor Knutti saying, ignore the real world, and rely upon computer models? That is seemingly what he is saying....

    Bottom line: Scientists do not know with certainty what they told us they knew with certainty.



    Read more: http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions#ixzz2Owzdcaa2
     
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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Funny. The article seems to contain differing explanations being fought out amongst those in the field. Which is sort of how science works.



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    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Funny. The article seems to contain differing explanations being fought out amongst those in the field. Which is sort of how science works.




    Yes,  science works by always questioning assumptions...science is always changing, there are no absolute truths. "Global climate change" computer models guaranteed ten years ago we would be melting by now.....  

    Are these scientists "global warming truthers" , anti-science denialists ..because they question global warming theories, based on real data instead of computer models?

    Or do liberals worship scientists,  like Catholics do the Pope, infallible, and you are a heretic if you question any of their educated expert beliefs?

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Are these scientists "global warming truthers" , anti-science denialists ..because they question global warming theories, based on real data instead of computer models?

     

    What a silly question. But you knew that.

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    Or do liberals worship scientists



     

    No. You can stomp on all the pictures of Stephen Hawking you like, as often as you want. I'll just think you look stupid doing it.



    Or:

       We can take a piece of paper.

       Write "Al Gore" on it.

       Then place it on the floor.

       Then stomp on it.  Several times.

    Then, we can begin to have a discussion about how "Al Gore" has inhibited our ability to have a meaningful dialog with others.

     

     
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    Funny. The article seems to contain differing explanations being fought out amongst those in the field. Which is sort of how science works.

    And that's what we've been trying to say for years now to cries of CONSENSUS!!! which, of course, wasn't ever really science at all.

     

     

     

     

     
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    In response to Sistersledge's comment:

     

     




    But, but.... the sun don't shine every day! And, and..... Al Gore! And, and.... oil will be there every day! Even though oil is a result of the sun shining in the distant past, and the fact that everything you eat is a result of solar energy..... and even though every weather system is pretty much dictated by the very existance of the sun.... well.... solar seems like a pipe dream!

     

     

    Oh, for the want of a sarcasm font!




    Your point is well taken .

     
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    However, if you covered every inch of this country with solar panels, you would not have nearly enough electricity to run the country.

    Funny what happens when feel-good-liberal-nonsense runs up against science.

     
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    Funny. The article seems to contain differing explanations being fought out amongst those in the field. Which is sort of how science works.

     

    And that's what we've been trying to say for years now to cries of CONSENSUS!!! which, of course, wasn't ever really science at all.

     

     

     

     



    Stop it now.  The "science has been settled" for a couple of decades.  They just forgot to tell the scientists.

     
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    So Im not sure where we all stand. The cons have been saying for years that global warming is cyclical and not from man.

    Unlike the progressives which say otherwise.

    Are the cons now saying none of it ever existed?

     

    Shhh, Dont tell the drowning polar bears.

     
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    97.5% of the most active climate change experts in the world believe it is happening and human activity is the primary driver.  But don't worry, I"m sure Republicans will be on the right side of history again, like they were with Iraq, gay marriage, civil rights, banking and housing regulations, tax cuts and gun control.

     
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    skeeter who said anything about covering every inch of land in the country with solar panels ? The photo states that the sum of money that was spent in the two wars were combined it could pay to install solar panels on EVERY HOME in the USA and save the tax payers hundreds of billions dollars per year.

    So what are you implying ..... that we don't possess the technology to do it or are you just writing nonsense ?

     
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    i wonder how many houses could have been set up with solar panels with the money the Obama administration used to stimulate the failed green energy companies of his donors?

     

     
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    97.5% of the most active climate change experts in the world believe it is happening and human activity is the primary driver

    Dude, you're not drinking the kool-aid, you're snorting, mainlining, and using it as an enema.

     

    (Hmmm, I wonder if this one's getting deleted?)

     
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    Shhh, Dont tell the drowning polar bears.

    Don't tell the unicorns either, they get upset.

     

     
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    i wonder how many houses could have been set up with solar panels with the money the Obama administration used to stimulate the failed green energy companies of his donors?

     



    If the oil industry controlled the green energy industry the GOP would enact legislation to make sure every house in the country were set up with solar panels.

    btw the only reason why the oil industry doesn't push for solar panels in every building in the country is that they don't own the sun .

     
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    btw the only reason why the oil industry doesn't push for solar panels in every building in the country is that they don't own the sun

    That, and because hydrocarbons are a lot more efficient. But mostly because hydrocarbons are a lot more efficient.

     
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    97.5% of the most active climate change experts in the world believe it is happening and human activity is the primary driver.  But don't worry, I"m sure Republicans will be on the right side of history again, like they were with Iraq, gay marriage, civil rights, banking and housing regulations, tax cuts and gun control.



    Well, no.  Your post is incorrect:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

    36%.

     
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    So Im not sure where we all stand. The cons have been saying for years that global warming is cyclical and not from man.

    Unlike the progressives which say otherwise.

    Are the cons now saying none of it ever existed?

     

    Shhh, Dont tell the drowning polar bears.



    From the Canadian Free PRess:

    "Unwelcome news – for the drowning polar bear myth believers: Not only are the bears not drowning, they are thriving instead.

    In case you forgot, the polar bears were all to drown from an increased loss of ice cover claimed to result from mankind’s burning of fossil fuels.

    Countless non-governmental organizations (NGOs) make their living from this polar bear doom scenario."

     

    But, by all means, go save the drowning polar bears.  I hear the best technique is to put a salmon in your mouth and run up to them.

     
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    So Im not sure where we all stand. The cons have been saying for years that global warming is cyclical and not from man.

    Unlike the progressives which say otherwise.

    Are the cons now saying none of it ever existed?

     

    Shhh, Dont tell the drowning polar bears.

     



    From the Canadian Free PRess:

     

    "Unwelcome news – for the drowning polar bear myth believers: Not only are the bears not drowning, they are thriving instead.

    In case you forgot, the polar bears were all to drown from an increased loss of ice cover claimed to result from mankind’s burning of fossil fuels.

    Countless non-governmental organizations (NGOs) make their living from this polar bear doom scenario."

     

    But, by all means, go save the drowning polar bears.  I hear the best technique is to put a salmon in your mouth and run up to them.

     



    Are you saying global warming doesnt exist now or are we in a cyclical warm up?

     

     
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    skeeter who said anything about covering every inch of land in the country with solar panels ? The photo states that the sum of money that was spent in the two wars were combined it could pay to install solar panels on EVERY HOME in the USA and save the tax payers hundreds of billions dollars per year.

    So what are you implying ..... that we don't possess the technology to do it or are you just writing nonsense ?

     




     

    Not implying anything, just stating fact.  Solar panels are not very efficient, and there is not enough surface area/sunlight to meet our energy needs. In this I assume you mean fixed panels, whihc are at optimal efficiency only a couple hours a day.  Sure there have been claims that you could provide all the energy needs with a 100 square miles, or so, but these are high output salt or vacumn tube technologies.  they are quite expensive.  Which leads me to my last point:  Cost:

    Let's stipulate that your concept woudl work, that you can provide all the power needs for each and every home by putting up solar panels. 

    The average cost to install solar panels on a home is $55,000.

    The number of homes in the U.S. is about 91 million.

    Which means that we need $5 trillion to install these panels, leaving logistics of producing these panels aside.

    So, where does a country $17 trillion in debt get $5 trillion hard cash?

    And, installing solar panels on each hous in the U.S. is NOT cheaper than the two wars, by a long shot.

    This is the sound of your bubble being burst:

     

    POP!

     
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    i wonder how many houses could have been set up with solar panels with the money the Obama administration used to stimulate the failed green energy companies of his donors?

     



    I know the answer to that one:

     

    zero.

     

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