Climatologists Can't Explain Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down

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    In response to Newtster's comment:

     

    Really all this is not about CO2. Unwanted CO2 is a by-product of our behaviour - using unsuitable energy streams, erradicating natural CO2 sinks, mindless consumption and the pursuit of "sustained economic growth" - at all costs. We have a terrible connundrum and there are no easy answers. We know what we need to do, we just need to acknowledge the problem, agree to a plan of action and implement the transition before we make things worse.



    This is typical...they say a lot without really saying anything. They always say we need a plan of action, but never give good examples of what kind of action. Implement what? They never suggest anything real. These people talk like politicians...saying a lot without really saying anything.

     
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      the truth is that progressives simply want to use this issue as a means to tax us more and enable greater restrictions on our freedoms   [QUOTE]



    Paranoia. Ludicrous. Typical.



    Everything the govt does including SS, medicare, ACA, and latching onto this theory is about revenue!!

    That is just the truth. Im not saying none of these have some good servicesd but, for the govt today....it's all about revenue and a little help to some in order to sell it to the populas.

     
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      the truth is that progressives simply want to use this issue as a means to tax us more and enable greater restrictions on our freedoms



    Paranoia. Ludicrous. Typical.

     



    STOP STARING AT ME!!!!!

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

     

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

     



    If control is defined as money and liberal scheme is most politicians then you are correct

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

    [QUOTE]

    You forgot the bit about giving U.S. sovereignty to international banksters and then meeting up with Xenu on a passing comet.



    LOL, keep laughing and ignoring the obvious collaboration on corruption of our govt that is only getting worse!

     

     
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    You forgot the bit about giving U.S. sovereignty to international banksters and then meeting up with Xenu on a passing comet.

     

    Wait, why didn't anyone tell me that Xenu was coming? Now I don't have time to prepare properly.

     

     

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

     



    It starts off small:  First they want to control the thermostat in our schools. then our homes, and finally, they want to control the thermostat of the world.

    Devious.

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

     

     



    It starts off small:  First they want to control the thermostat in our schools. then our homes, and finally, they want to control the thermostat of the world.

     

    Devious.



    Hmmm..... one who believes in an invisible deity might tread lightly. One could just as easily say religion is a method to control the world..... with less logic or evidence.

     

     
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    I didn't realize that the scientific process has to run on a straight and undeviating line.

    Or that all theories have to be absolutely correct at the outset.

    It amazes me that some people want to disown science so adamantly only to suit a political agenda.

    If only these people were so skeptical about the 'evidence' used to support invading Iraq ....



    I agree...imagine if all those Rep AND Dem senators/congressmen who voted for the resolution were more skeptical about the 'evidence' used to support invading Iraq.

     

     
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    global warming is a made up liberal scheme to help gain control of the world.....

     

     



    It starts off small:  First they want to control the thermostat in our schools. then our homes, and finally, they want to control the thermostat of the world.

     

    Devious.

     



    Hmmm..... one who believes in an invisible deity might tread lightly. One could just as easily say religion is a method to control the world..... with less logic or evidence.

     

     

    Hmm.  Seems you are in agreement that progressivism is all about turning of fthe heat, forst in our homes, than our country, finally, the planet.  This is George Soros grand plan:  Freeze us out.

    What the progressives don't know is  that...

    God created the thermostat.

     
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    I didn't realize that the scientific process has to run on a straight and undeviating line.

    Or that all theories have to be absolutely correct at the outset.

    It amazes me that some people want to disown science so adamantly only to suit a political agenda.

    If only these people were so skeptical about the 'evidence' used to support invading Iraq ....



    Or, that lacking any evidence, we are forced to accept it as fact anyways.

    Sounds more like religion than science.

     
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    I didn't realize that the scientific process has to run on a straight and undeviating line. Or that all theories have to be absolutely correct at the outset. It amazes me that some people want to disown science so adamantly only to suit a political agenda.


    Here. For your convenience I'm posting a link to a definition of the "scientific method."

    http://teacher.nsrl.rochester.edu/phy_labs/appendixe/appendixe.html

     

    Here is the important bit with some notes by me:

    I. The scientific method has four steps

    1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena. (The world is getting warmer.)

    2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation.(Maybe the cause of the warming are 'greenhouse gases.')

    3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations.(the development of climate models.)

    4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments.(collect data, compare against model predictions.)

    If the experiments bear out the hypothesis it may come to be regarded as a theory or law of nature (more on the concepts of hypothesis, model, theory and law below). If the experiments do not bear out the hypothesis, it must be rejected or modified. What is key in the description of the scientific method just given is the predictive power (the ability to get more out of the theory than you put in; see Barrow, 1991) of the hypothesis or theory, as tested by experiment. It is often said in science that theories can never be proved, only disproved. There is always the possibility that a new observation or a new experiment will conflict with a long-standing theory.

     

    (What has happened is that the predictions based on the theory have not borne out the hypothesis. Therefore, it must be rejected or modified. This is not politics, this is just the correct application of the scientific method.)

     

     

     

     
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    I didn't realize that the scientific process has to run on a straight and undeviating line.

    Or that all theories have to be absolutely correct at the outset.

    It amazes me that some people want to disown science so adamantly only to suit a political agenda.

    If only these people were so skeptical about the 'evidence' used to support invading Iraq ....

     



    Or, that lacking any evidence, we are forced to accept it as fact anyways.

     

    Sounds more like religion than science.

     




    There's plenty of evidence.

     

    The article posted cites decades of data.

    The premise is that just because the data shows that during the latest decade global warming was flat. Temperatures didn't rise nor fall.

    Is that one decade out of dozens enough counter evidence to disprove the theory? Hardly.

    Like I said, science doesn't hew a straight line and cherry-picking one period out of dozens is not a scientific approach, it's an ideology.



    How about considering temperatures all the way back to the creation of Earth?  

    there are several timeframes wher it has been significantly warmer, and cooler.

    What the global warmists are doing is selecting a tight range of limited data, and hanging their hat on it, simply because it seems to support their contentions.  That is distinctly non-scientific.  example:  500 year data shows a  real hockey stick.  2,000 year data shows that it was actually significantly WARMER in the 800's and 1200's than current day.

    http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/11/a-2000-year-global-temperature-record/

    Data and analysis like this leads me to beleive that the current crop of global warmists are selecting the data that matches their preconceived point of view.  This is a plticial or religious approach, take your pick, but it is not a scientific approach.

     
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    Re: Climatologists Can't Explain Why Global Warming Has Slowed Down

    Dear Mr. Concerned,

    90 percent of the data proves that something has been causing the earth to get warmer. It by no means proves AGW. Whatever that something is has now stopped causing the earth to get warmer. Since we have not stopped putting greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere (indeed, the amount has grown terrifically) it seems extremely unlikely that greenhouse gassed could be the cause.


    Do you see what I'm saying?

     

     
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    I've looked into this article, the science, the data, and the rebuttals.

    And there are indeed more rebuttals and data against the article's assertions than there are for it.  Many more climatologists have gone on record to dispute the author's claims, including one scientist who was misquoted in the article.

    It's a good conversation to have, but the OP's datasets are highly selective and faulty on a few key points.  They simply don't support the argument the author is making, much less the opinions (not facts) that comprise most of it.

     

     

     
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    Dear Mr. Concerned,

    90 percent of the data proves that something has been causing the earth to get warmer. It by no means proves AGW. Whatever that something is has now stopped causing the earth to get warmer. Since we have not stopped putting greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere (indeed, the amount has grown terrifically) it seems extremely unlikely that greenhouse gassed could be the cause.


    Do you see what I'm saying?

     



    Except that there are other measures used to depict the effects of greenhouse gasses, such as the temperature, salinity and acidity of the world's oceans.

    The author of the OP himself confused two critical scientific phenomena - clouds and water vapor - and thusly undermined his whole argument in the process.

    The idea that "we still have snow, so therefore the planet stopped warming" is ludicrous on its face.

     

     
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    As citizen is saying: If you're going to ignore every other possibility and claim that the cherry-picked period defeats the entire theory, it's just party politics talking.

    One-variable analyses aren't worth anything.




    We should all be in agreement that (scientist and theorist) are not sure that what they know is accurate and they are not sure how much of their theory is true.

    They know in certain circumstances certain things happen regarding climate but, the why's, when and how's are still very speculative.

    Then why on Gods green earth would we want the govt to get involved at this time???

     
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    As citizen is saying: If you're going to ignore every other possibility and claim that the cherry-picked period defeats the entire theory, it's just party politics talking.

    One-variable analyses aren't worth anything.

     




    We should all be in agreement that (scientist and theorist) are not sure that what they know is accurate and they are not sure how much of their theory is true.

     

    They know in certain circumstances certain things happen regarding climate but, the why's, when and how's are still very speculative.

    Then why on Gods green earth would we want the govt to get involved at this time???



    Not really.

    Most reputable climate scientists believe the earth is warming, the only question is how much and over what amount of time...i.e. an aspect of 'climate sensitivity'...

    ...and only THEN what the effects of that estimated change will be.

    In reality, there are many thousands of theories about climate change, not just one.  And of those thousands of theories, the vast majority point to a global shift in weather patterns, crop cycles, storm intensity and myriad other results due to the relatively small - though highly contested - variable of 3-4 degrees centigrade.

     

     
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    We should all be in agreement that (scientist and theorist) are not sure that what they know is accurate and they are not sure how much of their theory is true. 

    They know in certain circumstances certain things happen regarding climate but, the why's, when and how's are still very speculative.

    Then why on Gods green earth would we want the govt to get involved at this time???

    [QUOTE]

    Not really.

    Most reputable climate scientists believe the earth is warming, the only question is how much and over what amount of time...i.e. an aspect of 'climate sensitivity'...

    ...and only THEN what the effects of that estimated change will be.

    In reality, there are many thousands of theories about climate change, not just one.  And of those thousands of theories, the vast majority point to a global shift in weather patterns, crop cycles, storm intensity and myriad other results due to the relatively small - though highly contested - variable of 3-4 degrees centigrade.

     

    So what you are saying is "they know changes are happening and that in some instances what makes those changes happen but, to what effect or extent or what can change it they are inconclusive".

    Then why on Gods green earth would we want the govt to get involved at this time???

     

     

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