Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending?

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : It's as good a justification as any for civil unrest on this scale. Would I prefer they aired their grievances non-violently?  Of course. But why should I be surprised or judgmental when people get angry (very angry) because they feel their good faith arguments are being roundly ignored by the ruling classes...?? As a citizen of a nation formed out of rebellion, who am I to judge??
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Justification?  Do you know the difference between right and wrong? Apparently not.

    If this type of violence comes here, it will be at your feet  and those like you where I will lay the blame.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : Heh.  I make my "own way through life" just fine, thanks... good job, nice house, hot wife... 'tis true, I have few real needs or wants. That I've worked for it is beside the point.  Genuine Empathy is just the bare minimum in regard for my own good fortune.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    The closest we ever come to perfection is on our own resume, or a BDC post, whichever works right?
     
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    Okay all you political junkies. You do know this has got nothing to do with politics. Right?

    Two nights of rioting in London's Tottenham neighborhood erupted following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred

    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/08/london_riots.html
     
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    [QUOTE]Okay all you political junkies. You do know this has got nothing to do with politics. Right? Two nights of rioting in London's Tottenham neighborhood erupted following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/08/london_riots.html
    Posted by BilltheKat[/QUOTE]

    must have been a real popular guy.
     
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    The British government takes about 1/2 of what its people earn, then uses some of that money to try to manage a universal health care plan. With 30% unemployment of the 25-49 age group, the welfare-like situation is easily seen along with repercussions when those relying on gov't checks are short-changed.
    Should be a wake up call to those who support Yobama as he strives for this same scenario, but alas, it shall not. It's on the liberal agenda to place more people on government reliancy as possible.

     
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    The interesting thing is that the arrests aren't matching the popular theme that these are just disaffected and alienated youth withoiut a future.  There are reports of a number of young professionals; school teachers, graphic artists etc. being arrested. The most hideous event was video of a new immigrant who was knocked off of his bike and beaten by youth who them helped him up to steal the contents of his backpack and his bike.

    These are people that aren't simply protesting their loss of entitled government benefits; these are simply hoodlums who operate at the lowest base level.  I say a watercannon is too good for them.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes. You can count on it from the leftists when they don't get their way with other people's money. Social and economice justice!!
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    It is pretty simplistic to see these riots as a product of the "left".  There is 20% unemployment for youth in Britain and 50% unemployment for Blacks.  They have had an underclass problem there for years.  They have had considerable difficulty in including their minority population within their concept of nationalism.  Those issues are about economics and social conflicts and only indirectly politics.  And there does not seem to be much of a political agenda for the people in the streets: just emotional lashing out at "the rich".

    You cannot allow criminal behavior, but you also have to give people a sense of hope.  No easy task for those folks.  No easy task for us (although we are doing better). 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : It is pretty simplistic to see these riots as a product of the "left".  There is 20% unemployment for youth in Britain and 50% unemployment for Blacks.  They have had an underclass problem there for years.  They have had considerable difficulty in including their minority population within their concept of their nationalism.  Those issues are about economics and social conflicts and only indirectly politics.  And there does not seem to be much of a political agenda for the people in the streets: just emotional lashing out at "the rich". You cannot allow criminal behavior, but you also have to give people a sense of hope.  No easy task for those folks.  No easy task for us (although we are doing better). 
    Posted by Reubenhop[/QUOTE]


    Agree on the violence, but simply cracking down on the violence is a simplistic answer.  UK society got to this point by a ceaseless dribble of leftist societal  and economic values.  Get rid of this evil cancer, and the UK will right itself, no pun intended.

    What we see in London is the result of the well meant, but inevitably bad liberal ideas.  The left will want to double down on this problem, and make everyone eat their peas.  The right wants to try something new.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : Agree on the violence, but simply cracking down on the violence is a simplistic answer.  UK society got to this point by a ceaseless dribble of leftist societal  and economic values.  Get rid of this evil cancer, and the UK will right itself, no pun intended. What we see in London is the result of the well meant, but inevitably bad liberal ideas.  The left will want to double down on this problem, and make everyone eat their peas.  The right wants to try something new.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    It is far deeper than that.  The class warfare attitudes come from the fact that the country has always had a fairly rigid class structure.  The minority issues derive from a more rigid form of nationalism.  Much of this predates "socialism" in Britain.  There are no easy answers to these social conflicts.  I've lived there and seen it first hand. 
     
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    "HAHAHAHA...you judge on BDC all the time. NOW we're supposed to believe your above that. Jesus christ..... "

    OMG.. you can't say Jesus Christ on this thread !!!
    Do you know how many people you offended !!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : That's not empathy you are feeling.  what you are feeling is the emptiness  of immorality cause by caused by your unwillingness to grasp the wrong being done in London.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Don't tell me what I'm feeling.  

    Nor did I say that it wasn't wrong or that I agreed with what they were doing (quite the opposite).

    But there's more to the explanation than simply unbridled criminality (as much a copout of an argument as smashing windows and stealing dvd players, IMO), and anyone who has been following british politics and its impact on british culture should understand that, even if they don't say it publicly.  Trying to explain the issue neither excuses nor endorses it.

    All this is beside the very simple historical fact that times of economic distress are often accompanied by populist rage (even poorly defined as this one).

    I would also think that anyone who purports to back the tee partee on tax reform issues might have a better intellectual grip on the situation.  That's cognitive dissonance for you....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? :  What we see in London is the result of the well meant, but inevitably bad liberal ideas.  The left will want to double down on this problem, and make everyone eat their peas.  The right wants to try something new.
    Posted by skeeter20[/QUOTE]

    Again, you prove you have little idea of what you're talking about.

    This is about a structural issue in british society in which their political battles are merely a symptom of the overall disease which is neither right nor left. 

    You may think it's the result of liberalism, but it's not.  Greed exists on both sides of the aisle and in all strata of society (as do random fits of irrationality, it turns out).  It's a vice no matter who's doing the looting or who's affected.



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending? : HAHAHAHA...you judge on BDC all the time. NOW we're supposed to believe your above that. Jesus christ.....
    Posted by WhichOnesPink[/QUOTE]

    Arguments and motives, perhaps, but not people.  That you have such trouble knowing the difference says more about you than about me, pink.

    But I won't apologize for often taking an aerial view on difficult issues even while I occasionally join the fray to sling my arrows like anyone else.
     
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    Re: Could London style riots happen here if we cut too much spending?

    Arguments and motives, perhaps, but not people.  That you have such trouble knowing the difference says more about you than about me, pink.

    But I won't apologize for often taking an aerial view on difficult issues even while I occasionally join the fray to sling my arrows like anyone else.



    Spin it anyway you need to. You're the one who has to live with yourself
     
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    [QUOTE]Spin it anyway you need to. You're the one who has to live with yourself
    Posted by WhichOnesPink[/QUOTE]

    That's right.  I do.  But what you call spin is simply logic and reason trying to cut through the usual static...

    So, given that you mostly just add to the dissonance, who are you to challenge my inferential expertise anyway...?
     

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