Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

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    Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    There are 4 things that can be done to close the budget deficit - raise taxes, cut defense, cut medicare and cut social security. 

    Cuts to Social Security and Medicare would be accomplished by raising the eligibility age.  This effectively makes these "cuts" a tax increase. 

    Raising the minimum age of mediare from 65 to 67 would make the per member cost of medicare go up, causing an increase in the premium.  Currently, 65 and 66 year olds are the healthiest people in medicare.  if you take out the healthiest people, then the average per member cost will rise and that increase will be met with an increase in the premium seniors will have to pay.

    The 65 and 66 year olds will be forced to stay in the work force longer, meaning they will be using employer based health care.  While they are the healthiest people on Medicare, they would be the least healthy people getting private health insurance.  This means the cost of everyone's health insurance premium will go up.

    So cutting medicare simply pushes the cost to you, me , and seniors.  We still have to pay, but instead of paying it as a tax increase, we pay it as an increase in health premiums.

    Raising the age of Social Security simply means we work longer.  Instead of retiring and collecting, we have to work a couple of more years.  As with medicare, cuts to SS are really tax increases put on the backs of senior citizens.

    But let's balance the budget on the backs of seniors so that we can continue to allow the very wealthy pay a 14% effective tax rate and continue to spend more on the military than everyone else in the world combined.

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    There are 4 things that can be done to close the budget deficit - raise taxes, cut defense, cut medicare and cut social security. 

    Cuts to Social Security and Medicare would be accomplished by raising the eligibility age.  This effectively makes these "cuts" a tax increase. 

    Raising the minimum age of mediare from 65 to 67 would make the per member cost of medicare go up, causing an increase in the premium.  Currently, 65 and 66 year olds are the healthiest people in medicare.  if you take out the healthiest people, then the average per member cost will rise and that increase will be met with an increase in the premium seniors will have to pay.

    The 65 and 66 year olds will be forced to stay in the work force longer, meaning they will be using employer based health care.  While they are the healthiest people on Medicare, they would be the least healthy people getting private health insurance.  This means the cost of everyone's health insurance premium will go up.

    So cutting medicare simply pushes the cost to you, me , and seniors.  We still have to pay, but instead of paying it as a tax increase, we pay it as an increase in health premiums.

    Raising the age of Social Security simply means we work longer.  Instead of retiring and collecting, we have to work a couple of more years.  As with medicare, cuts to SS are really tax increases put on the backs of senior citizens.

    But let's balance the budget on the backs of seniors so that we can continue to allow the very wealthy pay a 14% effective tax rate and continue to spend more on the military than everyone else in the world combined.

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    We need to work on the fraud and waste associated with medicare medicaid, unemployment, welfare etc programs! There are 10's if not 100's of billions in waste and fraud every year!!

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

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    We need to work on the fraud and waste associated with medicare medicaid, unemployment, welfare etc programs! There are 10's if not 100's of billions in waste and fraud every year!!

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    This admin has eliminated more medicare fraud than any other before, thanks in part to regulations formed under the ACA. 

    * 91 people - who defrauded the govt out of $430M - were arrested, as per a recent announcement.

    But I guess you would see that as "big govt" overreach....

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    There are 4 things that can be done to close the budget deficit - raise taxes, cut defense, cut medicare and cut social security. 

    Cuts to Social Security and Medicare would be accomplished by raising the eligibility age.  This effectively makes these "cuts" a tax increase. 

    Raising the minimum age of mediare from 65 to 67 would make the per member cost of medicare go up, causing an increase in the premium.  Currently, 65 and 66 year olds are the healthiest people in medicare.  if you take out the healthiest people, then the average per member cost will rise and that increase will be met with an increase in the premium seniors will have to pay.

    The 65 and 66 year olds will be forced to stay in the work force longer, meaning they will be using employer based health care.  While they are the healthiest people on Medicare, they would be the least healthy people getting private health insurance.  This means the cost of everyone's health insurance premium will go up.

    So cutting medicare simply pushes the cost to you, me , and seniors.  We still have to pay, but instead of paying it as a tax increase, we pay it as an increase in health premiums.

    Raising the age of Social Security simply means we work longer.  Instead of retiring and collecting, we have to work a couple of more years.  As with medicare, cuts to SS are really tax increases put on the backs of senior citizens.

    But let's balance the budget on the backs of seniors so that we can continue to allow the very wealthy pay a 14% effective tax rate and continue to spend more on the military than everyone else in the world combined.

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    You are rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.  Face it, SS and medicare have combined a $66 trillion unfunden liability.  It is going to crash and burn, and no amount of finessing eligibility or means testing wil lsave it.  The best these measures do is kick the can down the road.

     

    look, putting retitrement and health care for seniors accomplished only one thing: made people dependent on government.  It never made sense to set up these tranfer payments:  Take $1 from a taxpayer and dish out 50 cents to a "recipient".  The only people benefitting from this are the government class.

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    There are 4 things that can be done to close the budget deficit - raise taxes, cut defense, cut medicare and cut social security. 

    Cuts to Social Security and Medicare would be accomplished by raising the eligibility age.  This effectively makes these "cuts" a tax increase. 

    Raising the minimum age of mediare from 65 to 67 would make the per member cost of medicare go up, causing an increase in the premium.  Currently, 65 and 66 year olds are the healthiest people in medicare.  if you take out the healthiest people, then the average per member cost will rise and that increase will be met with an increase in the premium seniors will have to pay.

    The 65 and 66 year olds will be forced to stay in the work force longer, meaning they will be using employer based health care.  While they are the healthiest people on Medicare, they would be the least healthy people getting private health insurance.  This means the cost of everyone's health insurance premium will go up.

    So cutting medicare simply pushes the cost to you, me , and seniors.  We still have to pay, but instead of paying it as a tax increase, we pay it as an increase in health premiums.

    Raising the age of Social Security simply means we work longer.  Instead of retiring and collecting, we have to work a couple of more years.  As with medicare, cuts to SS are really tax increases put on the backs of senior citizens.

    But let's balance the budget on the backs of seniors so that we can continue to allow the very wealthy pay a 14% effective tax rate and continue to spend more on the military than everyone else in the world combined.

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    Look the greatest generation who was incharge during the early 70's into the early 90's.  They're the ones who over reached and took care of themselves and left a mess for the boomers and the rest of us.

    They kept payments into the system too low when the looming problem was coming, they let the SS lockbox be raided, they over expanded SS and Medicare because they could and they weren't paying for it.

    Yeah we need to balance a lot of it off the seniors; not those in the system but the ones who are 5 to 10 years away are going to have to deal with 2 years later retirement.  Yeah the rate is also going to have to go up and our expanding population has slowed so those paying will now pay more.

     

    You're right people will work longer and the younger folks will find delayed opportunity, but there will be opportunity just not like what their grandparents got or their parents.

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

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    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    There are 4 things that can be done to close the budget deficit - raise taxes, cut defense, cut medicare and cut social security. 

    Cuts to Social Security and Medicare would be accomplished by raising the eligibility age.  This effectively makes these "cuts" a tax increase. 

    Raising the minimum age of mediare from 65 to 67 would make the per member cost of medicare go up, causing an increase in the premium.  Currently, 65 and 66 year olds are the healthiest people in medicare.  if you take out the healthiest people, then the average per member cost will rise and that increase will be met with an increase in the premium seniors will have to pay.

    The 65 and 66 year olds will be forced to stay in the work force longer, meaning they will be using employer based health care.  While they are the healthiest people on Medicare, they would be the least healthy people getting private health insurance.  This means the cost of everyone's health insurance premium will go up.

    So cutting medicare simply pushes the cost to you, me , and seniors.  We still have to pay, but instead of paying it as a tax increase, we pay it as an increase in health premiums.

    Raising the age of Social Security simply means we work longer.  Instead of retiring and collecting, we have to work a couple of more years.  As with medicare, cuts to SS are really tax increases put on the backs of senior citizens.

    But let's balance the budget on the backs of seniors so that we can continue to allow the very wealthy pay a 14% effective tax rate and continue to spend more on the military than everyone else in the world combined.

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    Look the greatest generation who was incharge during the early 70's into the early 90's.  They're the ones who over reached and took care of themselves and left a mess for the boomers and the rest of us.

    They kept payments into the system too low when the looming problem was coming, they let the SS lockbox be raided, they over expanded SS and Medicare because they could and they weren't paying for it.

    Yeah we need to balance a lot of it off the seniors; not those in the system but the ones who are 5 to 10 years away are going to have to deal with 2 years later retirement.  Yeah the rate is also going to have to go up and our expanding population has slowed so those paying will now pay more.

     

    You're right people will work longer and the younger folks will find delayed opportunity, but there will be opportunity just not like what their grandparents got or their parents.

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    The lesson people refuse to learn is that government is not the answer for these things.  your post shows that clearly.  The question is what do we do now?  tweak the variables, or finally admit the approach is fundamentally flawed?

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    "The lesson people refuse to learn is that government is not the answer for these things.  your post shows that clearly.  The question is what do we do now?  tweak the variables, or finally admit the approach is fundamentally flawed?"

    Social Security and Medicare aren't the problems.  Refusing to pay for them are the problems.   Medicare is a success.  It works - certainly better than what was around before them.

    Maybe we should accept that we need to actually pay for the things we want.  If we want to spend more on the military than everyone else combined, then we need to pay for it.  If we want the most expensive healthcare system in the world, then we need to pay for it.

    The righties should stop expecting the government to give them things for free.  They should man up and pay for what they expect to get from the government instead of acting like a bunch of dead beats.  I've never seen a bigger bunch of takers.  They are against having to actually get Health insurance and instead prefer to use the emergency room when they get a hangnail and expect the tax payer to pick up the bill.

    the complaint that the liberals are all about Tax and Spend says it all about them.  They prefer the government just spend without anyone having to pick up the tab.

    They were all 100% the invasion of Iraq and 100% against paying for it.

     

     

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:
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    "The lesson people refuse to learn is that government is not the answer for these things.  your post shows that clearly.  The question is what do we do now?  tweak the variables, or finally admit the approach is fundamentally flawed?"

    Social Security and Medicare aren't the problems.  Refusing to pay for them are the problems.   Medicare is a success.  It works - certainly better than what was around before them.

    Maybe we should accept that we need to actually pay for the things we want.  If we want to spend more on the military than everyone else combined, then we need to pay for it.  If we want the most expensive healthcare system in the world, then we need to pay for it.

    The righties should stop expecting the government to give them things for free.  They should man up and pay for what they expect to get from the government instead of acting like a bunch of dead beats.  I've never seen a bigger bunch of takers.  They are against having to actually get Health insurance and instead prefer to use the emergency room when they get a hangnail and expect the tax payer to pick up the bill.

    the complaint that the liberals are all about Tax and Spend says it all about them.  They prefer the government just spend without anyone having to pick up the tab.

    They were all 100% the invasion of Iraq and 100% against paying for it.

     

     

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    How can you possibly say that Medicare is a success?  By what standard?  the 20% being fraud is ok?  Or how about more Drs. refusing to take on Medicare patients?

    Those are standards that do not spell success, but failure.  Stop believing the line from the left.

    I'm only expecting government to get out of the way.

     
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    Re: Cuts to Medicaid and Social Security aren't really cuts

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    How can you possibly say that Medicare is a success?  

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    Much longer lifespans, for instance.  Huge advances in elder care - specifically cancer and alzheimers, for another.

    How do you rate a year in the life of a person...?  

    I thought you considered yourself "pro-life"....

     

     

     
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