Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster

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    I blame Bush/Cheney because I love reading the republican lemmings responses.

     
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    was the rig built during the bush admin? yep was the oil industry de-regulated under bush? yep what more is there to know? unless conservatives really think that obama has a swami hat, in which it allows him to look into the future of catastrophies and react before hand
    Posted by Jimmy42Jack0

    Well if you truly wish to be informed...

    In the Bush years this rig was shutdown TWICE for safety violations. In the Obama 18 months it has received the praise of the administration as a "model of safety", had it's disaster plan blessed with data dating back years and dead people listed as support experts. And even though the administration knew in February it was leaking oil, was never forced to shut down.
    As for regulation; the wells are supposed to be inspected monthly. That means in the 16 months Obama was in office and had HIS people at MMS it should have been inspected 15 times (I took off Jan. 2009 because it was only 9 days for O) before is blew up. It was inspected 2 times! There now you are truly informed.
     
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    yep was the oil industry de-regulated under bush? yep ---------------------------------------- Link please! You might wanna avoid this.  You're gonna look stupid
    Posted by GreginMeffa

    Ooohhh, Oooohhhhh Pick me! I will take Bill Clinton for $20 Billion Alex!
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 66 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Ooohhh, Oooohhhhh Pick me! I will take Bill Clinton for $20 Billion Alex!
    Posted by brat13


    Okay Brat.. For $20 billion dollars and the championship...

    (musical interlude.. Jeopardy)
    Who did Clinton pork more:

    a) Interns
    b) The American public
    c) Hillary
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 66 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Okay Brat.. For $20 billion dollars and the championship... (musical interlude.. Jeopardy) Who did Clinton pork more: a) Interns b) The American public c) Hillary
    Posted by ItsATravesty

    Who are Interns! He never touched Hillary after the birth of Chelsea! He was an OK president that was smart enough to not try to be a hero and screw up a good thing (no pun intended)
     
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    http://www.energybulletin.net/node/9524
     
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    That's great.

    Obama stole the Bush oil policy like you stole my headline

    Did you go to Harvard too?
     
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    Have you no shame? Is there no limit to the Blame Bush syndrome?
    Posted by BobinVa


    That depends entirely on how much Bush deserves to be blamed...the details of which we're only beginning to see more clearly.  Is there no limit to the dismissive excuses of the GOP's poor record during the Bush years and under their watch...?


     
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    Presidents and VP can't deregulate a ham sandwich on their own plate.  These poor liberals need to go back to school
    Posted by GreginMeffa

    Maybe take a geography lesson at a private school!

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/arizona-immigration-law/2010/06/25/watch-dem-doesnt-know-az-borders-mexico-wants-boycott-anyway
     
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    Obama snoozes while oil oozes.

    This catastrophe is going to bury that ____er where he belongs.
     
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    This is ridiculous...everybody knows the only person to blame is Scott Brown...it has to be true, I saw it in a political TV ad this morning.
     
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    So Obama is at fault because he left in place regulations enacted during the Bush years and a regulatory staff hired and trained under Bush.

    Even if Obama had decided to modify the regulations on day 1, how long would it have taken to 10 review the regs, 2) change the regs, 3) reorganize the MMS, and 4) train the regulators on the new regs?

    BP recieved permission to drill in March 2009 - 1 year after Obama took the oath.  I would think that based on what I have seen, had Obama made reviewing the regs, changing the regs, and getting people trained, the MMS would only now be at a point where they could enforce the new regs. 

    And that's assuming the Repukes in Congress wouldn't have delayed the approval process for the secretary of the interior had they been aware that the regs were going to change.

    And if Obama is at fault for not changing the regs, are the Repukes saying that the regs enacted by Bush were wrong?
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 66 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Okay Brat.. For $20 billion dollars and the championship... (musical interlude.. Jeopardy) Who did Clinton pork more: a) Interns b) The American public c) Hillary
    Posted by ItsATravesty


    HEY! You listed them in descending order!
     
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    So Obama is at fault because he left in place regulations enacted during the Bush years and a regulatory staff hired and trained under Bush. Even if Obama had decided to modify the regulations on day 1, how long would it have taken to 10 review the regs, 2) change the regs, 3) reorganize the MMS, and 4) train the regulators on the new regs? BP recieved permission to drill in March 2009 - 1 year after Obama took the oath.  I would think that based on what I have seen, had Obama made reviewing the regs, changing the regs, and getting people trained, the MMS would only now be at a point where they could enforce the new regs.  And that's assuming the Repukes in Congress wouldn't have delayed the approval process for the secretary of the interior had they been aware that the regs were going to change. And if Obama is at fault for not changing the regs, are the Repukes saying that the regs enacted by Bush were wrong?
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    Another point you could make Dirty (when they start another thread saying the same thing) is:

    O.K. conservatives.  Let's rewind.  It's early 2009.  Economy is still reeling and the possibility of a true second Great Depression looms.  Doom's maw widens.

    Obama has X hours in the day to spend trying to get policy passed.  He must sleep sometimes, he must eat, and - to quote Douglass Adams (as to Arthur) - surely, the man must f*ck.

    So what should Obama do with his X hours, when there is a massive economic crisis?

    A.  Work around the clock to get legislation passed that will avert the worst; or

    B.  Review the performance and position of all Mineral Dept. workers, review all drilling regulations and their effectiveness, personally involve himself in individual drilling applications, and specifically deny the Horizon rig?




    I'm sure you won't get an answer other than "but Obama is a socialist"
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Another point you could make Dirty (when they start another thread saying the same thing) is: O.K. conservatives.  Let's rewind.  It's early 2009.  Economy is still reeling and the possibility of a true second Great Depression looms.  Doom's maw widens. Obama has X hours in the day to spend trying to get policy passed.  He must sleep sometimes, he must eat, and - to quote Douglass Adams (as to Arthur) - surely, the man must f*ck. So what should Obama do with his X hours, when there is a massive economic crisis? A.  Work around the clock to get legislation passed that will avert the worst; or B.  Review the performance and position of all Mineral Dept. workers, review all drilling regulations and their effectiveness, personally involve himself in individual drilling applications, and specifically deny the Horizon rig? I'm sure you won't get an answer other than "but Obama is a socialist"
    Posted by WhatIsItNow

    Do you really think I-Bama personally reviews anything? Your spin is that the poor Messiah was too busy saving our economy. The big dummy just pulled the financial plug on Americans for generations! You.. We are on the financial deck of the titanic. It's already sinking and there is no recourse. Now HE wants to spend even more..

     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Do you really think I-Bama personally reviews anything?
    Posted by ItsATravesty


    GOOD POINT!  (It's my point actually, so thank you)

    He can only personally review a very few things.  The rest he's relying on reports from underlings, who in turn are relying on reports from their underlings.

    Hence, it's silly to blame him for not immediately shaking up the Mineral Dept., passing new regs, and shutting down the Horizon rig. - particuarly given the circumstances of the last 17 months.

    HOWEVER, it is reasonable to blame Bush for sponsoring oil deregulation, which in turn contributed to the Horizon disaster.
     
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    It all started with that secret meeting Cheney had with all oil executives. Funny that they won't release the memos from that meeting are they hiding something? http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/06/cheney_deregulation.html
    Posted by HRK103


    Isn't admitting to DENIAL one of those steps?

    Must be some strong stuff you're on, Bike Boy. We'll pray for you.

    Nothing says "addicted" like hanging on to some conspiracy theory. Why, next week I'll bet you come out with more brilliance about Bush killed JFK in Dallas.

    LMFAO!
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Do you really think I-Bama personally reviews anything? Your spin is that the poor Messiah was too busy saving our economy. The big dummy just pulled the financial plug on Americans for generations! You.. We are on the financial deck of the titanic. It's already sinking and there is no recourse. Now HE wants to spend even more..
    Posted by ItsATravesty


    Review anything? NAW! Not even if it was taped to the forehead of his mistress, Telly Prompter! Why, he's above all that! That's why he hired all those other amateur lackeys, so they could all sit around, enjoy their daisy chain, and then issue a policy statement blaming Bush.
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Review anything? NAW! Not even if it was taped to the forehead of his mistress, Telly Prompter! Why, he's above all that! That's why he hired all those other amateur lackeys, so they could all sit around, enjoy their daisy chain, and then issue a policy statement blaming Bush.
    Posted by AZPAT


    Ya, and dude, it's why, like dude, you idiot wingnuts lost the greatest margin of political party since, like generations. Dude what a bummer.
    How's it feel to be such looooosers? Man that must be a total bummer. 
     
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    I see the "progressive" strategy is to focus on the Bush years, because there is nothing to focus on in the Obama years, right?  You nanny state bedwetters need to stop your handwringing and realize that the rest of the world is not impressed with you riding a bike to your non-profit jobs.  Oil is a fact of life for the world economy right now.  Sure, we need alternatives like NUKE PLANT which your elders, (with the support of the kgb, I might add) fought tooth and nail.  So, here we sit, 30 years later more dependent on oil than ever, and the fault is you short sighted progressives, you tofu burger eating fools!
     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Yo dope.  YOU said presidents HAD to sign.  Congrats on finding Wikipedia and figuring out you're a dunce. W had the thrid most vetoes overriden than any president in history, at a full 3rd . Next time you wanna accuse someone of a 9th grade level of understanding, try and grab a 3rd grade level first.  That way, you'll only a third as stupid, and thats BIG
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    Umm, maybe you should do your homework when you repeat the 5th grade in the fall.
     
                               vetoes overrides
    George W BUSH          12      4
    Ulysses Grant             93      4  
    Calvin Coolidge           50      4 
    Franklin Pierce             9      5
    Grover Cleveland       170      5
    Woodrow Wilson         44      6 
    Richard Nixon             43      7
    Franklin Roosevelt     635      9 
    Ronald Reagan           78      9
    Harry Truman           250     12
    Gerald Ford               66     12
    Andrew Johnson         29     15


    But hey no need to let those psky facts get in the way.

     
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    In Response to Re: Day 67 of Bush/Cheney deregulation oil disaster : Oh God, you poor little cupcake.  Liberals svck at math Barbie Most PERCENTAGE of vetoes overriden: Franklin Pierce - 56% Andrew Johnson - 52% George W. Bush - 33% THIRD, as rather clearly stated for those who can read - ah, sorry. And even if you have the clear problem with math, reading and the assumed association, that you do, even a dunce can figure out that a 33% override rate doesn't equal "automatic" ya hysterical dufus! Or maybe not.  You seem to be quite unique in the dunce kingdom. So endeth the lesson . . . AGAIN!  Carry on - after puberty...
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    You'll even run away from your own argument!

    "W had the thrid most vetoes overriden than any president in history"

    Man how much of a coward are you?

    Nowhere in your original post did you mention 'percentage' but now you want to backtrack and rewrite what you posted.

    YOU...ARE...FREAKIN'...HILARIOUS!!!!!
     
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    Measuring vetoes tells you nothing.  It lacks content and context.
     

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