Dear GOP, Here's How You Change A Law

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    Obamacare was jammed down our throats through the reconciliation process....now THAT's how you make a law that effects every man woman and child and business in America!!!!!!!!

     
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    Ironic how we are lectured to about "changing a law".

    Here is how Obama changes a law: he issues an EDICT like a banana republic dictator!

    Where did Obama get his authority to delay for one year the employer mandate, in the ObamaCare law passed by the Congress and signed by the President?

    The President has no such authority.

    There was even some Democratic skepticism about whether the administration’s move is justified. “This was the law. How can they change the law?” asked Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

    Former Tenth Circuit Appeals Court judge Michael McConnell noted that,  according to a 1990 memo by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the president “does not have the right to refuse to enforce a statute he opposes for policy reasons,” McConnell writes that the health law has no provision allowing the administration to suspend the employer mandate. He points to Section 1513(d) of the law, which governs the employer mandate provisions, and states clearly that “the amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.”

    The Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon offers further analysis to this effect. Although the law gives the Health and Human Services Secretary the authority to determine when to collect the penalties that result from the employer mandate, he writes, it does not provide the authority to waive the penalty entirely. There is a provision allowing the Treasury Department (which is officially responsible for the delay) to waive the penalty on a state-specific basis if a state can show that it has enacted an alternate but equally expansive coverage scheme that does not add to the federal cost, which is clearly not the case here. But even if it was, the provision does not allow this waiver to go into effect until 2017.

    Nor does the law give Treasury the authority to delay the law’s employer reporting requirements.

     
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    Obamacare was jammed down our throats through the reconciliation process....now THAT's how you make a law that effects every man woman and child and business in America!!!!!!!!




    You'd think that such a throat ramming would have resulted in him losing his reelection....but alas.

     
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    How to make a law librul progressive style:

    1. Have a bunch of supporters, activist groups and lawyers draw up a 2100 page bill that hurts your hair to read.

    2. Hold a sham conference with the opposition party to hear their ideas but tell them to shut up because you won the election by a few million votes

    3. Circumvent the rules of the Senate by calling this bill something related to finance or some other area that lets  you pass it with a simple majority instead of the usual 60 votes.

    4. When demanded to tell what is in the bill for public debate, suppress the debate by saying you have to pass the bill before you find out what it in it.

    5. When challenged on the law, claim the  whole process was legit, open and transparent and everything is settled.

    6. When implementing the bill, make sure that  you fund your political supporters to function as some legitimate resource to make th ething work. In effect the law becomes a great way to launder money and create a slush fund.

    7. Exempt yourself and your supporters from having to particpate in the plan.

    8. Make sure potential opposition in the private sector is bought off.

    9. If the implementation messes up, have the President usurp legislative power by issuing an edict to delay certain parts of the law even though Congress voted on something different.

    10. Complain that the oposition that wants to fund government is "cherry picking" even though that is what you are doing to implement the law itself by choosing who gets exemptions and which parts of the bill get delayed.

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

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    How to make a law librul progressive style:

    1. Have a bunch of supporters, activist groups and lawyers draw up a 2100 page bill that hurts your hair to read.

    2. Hold a sham conference with the opposition party to hear their ideas but tell them to shut up because you won the election by a few million votes

    3. Circumvent the rules of the Senate by calling this bill something related to finance or some other area that lets  you pass it with a simple majority instead of the usual 60 votes.

    4. When demanded to tell what is in the bill for public debate, suppress the debate by saying you have to pass the bill before you find out what it in it.

    5. When challenged on the law, claim the  whole process was legit, open and transparent and everything is settled.

    6. When implementing the bill, make sure that  you fund your political supporters to function as some legitimate resource to make th ething work. In effect the law becomes a great way to launder money and create a slush fund.

    7. Exempt yourself and your supporters from having to particpate in the plan.

    8. Make sure potential opposition in the private sector is bought off.

    9. If the implementation messes up, have the President usurp legislative power by issuing an edict to delay certain parts of the law even though Congress voted on something different.

    10. Complain that the oposition that wants to fund government is "cherry picking" even though that is what you are doing to implement the law itself by choosing who gets exemptions and which parts of the bill get delayed.

     




    Someone is very angry that the opposing party won their elections and with it a majority in Congress.

     

    The wingnuts prefer to be in the anklbiting minority so they can feed their persecution complex.

     

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    Uh, Majority in the Senate. Glad to see you affirm my notion that for libruls, the ends justify the means.

    It is all about politics.

     
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    In response to andiejen's comment:

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    Ironic how we are lectured to about "changing a law".

    Here is how Obama changes a law: he issues an EDICT like a banana republic dictator!

    Where did Obama get his authority to delay for one year the employer mandate, in the ObamaCare law passed by the Congress and signed by the President?

    The President has no such authority.

    There was even some Democratic skepticism about whether the administration’s move is justified. “This was the law. How can they change the law?” asked Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

    Former Tenth Circuit Appeals Court judge Michael McConnell noted that,  according to a 1990 memo by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the president “does not have the right to refuse to enforce a statute he opposes for policy reasons,” McConnell writes that the health law has no provision allowing the administration to suspend the employer mandate. He points to Section 1513(d) of the law, which governs the employer mandate provisions, and states clearly that “the amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.”

    The Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon offers further analysis to this effect. Although the law gives the Health and Human Services Secretary the authority to determine when to collect the penalties that result from the employer mandate, he writes, it does not provide the authority to waive the penalty entirely. There is a provision allowing the Treasury Department (which is officially responsible for the delay) to waive the penalty on a state-specific basis if a state can show that it has enacted an alternate but equally expansive coverage scheme that does not add to the federal cost, which is clearly not the case here. But even if it was, the provision does not allow this waiver to go into effect until 2017.

    Nor does the law give Treasury the authority to delay the law’s employer reporting requirements.

     



    CLC,

     

    Are you not contridicting yourself?

    If you agree that Obama did not have the authority to delay one provision of the ACA for policy reasons, then you would have to agree that the HoR does not have the authority to delay the ACA itself for policy reasons?

    No contradiction.

    The House has no authority to delay or repeal ObamaCare on its own, but does have the authority to pass a bill to fund the Government which doesnt fund Obamacare. Which is what it did. The Senate and the President need to compromise with the House.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to andiejen's comment:

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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    Ironic how we are lectured to about "changing a law".

    Here is how Obama changes a law: he issues an EDICT like a banana republic dictator!

    Where did Obama get his authority to delay for one year the employer mandate, in the ObamaCare law passed by the Congress and signed by the President?

    The President has no such authority.

    There was even some Democratic skepticism about whether the administration’s move is justified. “This was the law. How can they change the law?” asked Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

    Former Tenth Circuit Appeals Court judge Michael McConnell noted that,  according to a 1990 memo by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the president “does not have the right to refuse to enforce a statute he opposes for policy reasons,” McConnell writes that the health law has no provision allowing the administration to suspend the employer mandate. He points to Section 1513(d) of the law, which governs the employer mandate provisions, and states clearly that “the amendments made by this section shall apply to months beginning after December 31, 2013.”

    The Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon offers further analysis to this effect. Although the law gives the Health and Human Services Secretary the authority to determine when to collect the penalties that result from the employer mandate, he writes, it does not provide the authority to waive the penalty entirely. There is a provision allowing the Treasury Department (which is officially responsible for the delay) to waive the penalty on a state-specific basis if a state can show that it has enacted an alternate but equally expansive coverage scheme that does not add to the federal cost, which is clearly not the case here. But even if it was, the provision does not allow this waiver to go into effect until 2017.

    Nor does the law give Treasury the authority to delay the law’s employer reporting requirements.

     



    CLC,

     

    Are you not contridicting yourself?

    If you agree that Obama did not have the authority to delay one provision of the ACA for policy reasons, then you would have to agree that the HoR does not have the authority to delay the ACA itself for policy reasons?

     

     

    No contradiction.

    The House has no authority to delay or repeal ObamaCare on its own, but does have the authority to pass a bill to fund the Government which doesnt fund Obamacare. Which is what it did. The Senate and the President need to compromise with the House.

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    HAHA... funny post... they have to compromise with the House.... Ha ha ha ha ha ha... that's good. Its like saying the British and French had to compromise with Hitler in Munich. 

    You always come up with really good comments. Soooo funny. Its like.. you know... if someone threatens us, like say terrorists, we have to compromise with them. Maybe buy Bin Laden a house with a white picket fence and some of his favorite magazines and also just agree to a few of his other demands... 

    Any more and you might have us rolling on the floor.

     

     
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