Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

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    Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     

     



    I would suggest asking the senators and congressmen who are the ones doing this. I would venture to guess they would know why.

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    Some of them probably do understand what a default would do to the world's economy. But they feel the costs are worth it to stop our downward spiral to sochlism. This is a much more dangerous attitude because they are convinced they are pursuing a greater good, hence their willingness to decimate our multi trillion dollar economy.

    To the GOP, a successful ACA rollout is the end of the road for them. All of their supply-side, hyper-individualism beliefs will be tossed aside and replaced with another federal collective effort. This will force them to accept their irrelevance. Desperate people do desperate things and you don't get much more desperate than when facing irrelevance.

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    The conservatives in this case are in Congress, correct?

    Default is not when the government does not pay its bills. Default is when it does not make a payment on interest due its lenders.

    If the govenment decides not to pay social security benefits or to pay the bill on 100 million rounds of ammunition, is it in default? No.

    So who is going to make the decision to make a payment on interest or make a payment on some other bill instead? It isn't Congress. It is Obama and Jack Lew.

    Currently the government pulls in over $200 billion a month and has an interest payment of around $20 billion. There could be a technical default involving a matter of timing as to when revenue arrives and interest payment is due. That has already happened several times.

    If we default, it will be a politcal move by the White House, not because of Congress. I would not put it past this two bit dictator we have there.

    No one is trying to preserve the previous health care system. They are trying to prevent Obamacare from wrecking it even more and pushing the  economy into another recession. Delays and repeal and replace have been suggested. 

    The hysteria invoked by Obama's refusal to negotiate is causing a rapid increase in Democrat Dimentia.

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    Because our nation is spending more than is it taking in. Our solution has been tax more spend more for decades and WE need real fiscal responsibility in our govt.

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

    It's called prioritizing i.e. Paying for the military is more important than buying people cell phones. 

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

    No one I've heard has said "keep our old system". They have said this new ACA that was a partisan sham that excluded cronies and favorites while sticking it to the private citizens is BS! Start over with a bi-partisan bill to improve healthcare cost and make it something all people or at least a vast majority can support!! 

     

     




     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    The conservatives in this case are in Congress, correct?

    Default is not when the government does not pay its bills. Default is when it does not make a payment on interest due its lenders.

    If the govenment decides not to pay social security benefits or to pay the bill on 100 million rounds of ammunition, is it in default? No.

    So who is going to make the decision to make a payment on interest or make a payment on some other bill instead? It isn't Congress. It is Obama and Jack Lew.

    Currently the government pulls in over $200 billion a month and has an interest payment of around $20 billion. There could be a technical default involving a matter of timing as to when revenue arrives and interest payment is due. That has already happened several times.

    If we default, it will be a politcal move by the White House, not because of Congress. I would not put it past this two bit dictator we have there.

    No one is trying to preserve the previous health care system. They are trying to prevent Obamacare from wrecking it even more and pushing the  economy into another recession. Delays and repeal and replace have been suggested. 

    The hysteria invoked by Obama's refusal to negotiate is causing a rapid increase in Democrat Dimentia.



    well said

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    Because our nation is spending more than is it taking in. Our solution has been tax more spend more for decades and WE need real fiscal responsibility in our govt.

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

    It's called prioritizing i.e. Paying for the military is more important than buying people cell phones. 

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

    No one I've heard has said "keep our old system". They have said this new ACA that was a partisan sham that excluded cronies and favorites while sticking it to the private citizens is BS! Start over with a bi-partisan bill to improve healthcare cost and make it something all people or at least a vast majority can support!!  



    Agreed on the need to balance our books, but that doesn't mean this is the best way to go about it.  The sequester hurt the economy a bit, but it did bring the deficit down.  Nobody I've seen is demanding to roll back the sequester.

    Military vs. cell phones??!  You'll have to do better than that.  And I dispute the current military budget is beyond reproach.

     

    Republicans have NO alternative to the ACA on the table. None.  Maybe they would get more mileage with the american people if they start saying what they support instead of what they want to destroy or whose jobs they think aren't worth their time.

    I submit that requiring adults to carry health insurance (and on behalf of their children) is to place the burden of responsibility re: healthcare costs on the individual, not the general public.  Without the ACA, that responsibility is abdicated over some specious, outdated notions of "freedom" and "liberty" that don't even apply in this case.

     

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     




    The Republicans in the House were elected to at least try to impose some semblance of fiscal sanity.

    With divided Government, they are using the only tools available to stop the fiscal train wreck of unlimited Government spending , expansion , and debt, and try to stop the other train wreck of ObamaCare.

    As to our health care system, I will disagree with other posters and say, while Government involvement has ruined it to some extent generally as a free market system, it works well for most.

    80% of Americans polled were satisfied with their health care.

    So, as Walter White  of Breaking Bad said to his wife when she feared trouble from his dealing meth:

    "There is no danger; I am the danger"

    So our current health care system is not the crisis; ObamaCare is the crisis.  

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    No one is trying to preserve the previous health care system. They are trying to prevent Obamacare from wrecking it even more and pushing the  economy into another recession. Delays and repeal and replace have been suggested. 

    That's exactly what repeal of the ACA would do, and repeal is what the tee partee wants...no delay, no negotiations...they want it gone (and those nasty stupid death panels, too).

    This is beside the fact that repubs have nothing to replace it with...no mandate means no guaranteed issue...no guaranteed issue means tens of millions go without insurance and leave their care decisions up to the free market...dubious at best and antithetical to controlling costs.

    There is no evidence of a recession caused by millions more people paying into the health care system by purchasing insurance policies from private insurers.  In fact, the greater the number of insured, the less of an overall risk is imposed upon the overall population.

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

     

     

     

     

    The conservatives in this case are in Congress, correct?

    Default is not when the government does not pay its bills. Default is when it does not make a payment on interest due its lenders.

    If the govenment decides not to pay social security benefits or to pay the bill on 100 million rounds of ammunition, is it in default? No.

    So who is going to make the decision to make a payment on interest or make a payment on some other bill instead? It isn't Congress. It is Obama and Jack Lew.

    Currently the government pulls in over $200 billion a month and has an interest payment of around $20 billion. There could be a technical default involving a matter of timing as to when revenue arrives and interest payment is due. That has already happened several times.

    If we default, it will be a politcal move by the White House, not because of Congress. I would not put it past this two bit dictator we have there.

    No one is trying to preserve the previous health care system. They are trying to prevent Obamacare from wrecking it even more and pushing the  economy into another recession. Delays and repeal and replace have been suggested. 

    The hysteria invoked by Obama's refusal to negotiate is causing a rapid increase in Democrat Dimentia.

     

     

     

     




     

    If the wingnuts force the federal gov't not to borrow to pay it's bills, it would most certainly percipitate a default.

    A default happens when any legal contract is not paid on-time. It isn't just treasuries but all debts signed by the gov't or enshrined by law, such as Social Security.

    All of the federal debt that has cumulatively pushed the country towards the debt ceiling is comprised of legally binding contracts that Congress has previously entered into by way of appropriations bills.

    That means that failure to pay any of these contracts would put the US gov't in default. There is no ignoring the law.

    Of course defaulting on some legal contracts rather than others may minimize the impact of a default but it is still a default, plain and simple.

    And with regard to SS and Medicare, two programs that are mandated by law to be funded, defaulting on these would be illegal under US law.

    And don't forget that 14th Amend that the wingnuts would be willing to ignore...

     

     



    You are wrong. But that is no surprise.

     

    Default is when the government does not make a payment on its debt obligations. Default relates to debt, not to other obligations to pay on some promise or a contract. If the government fails to make a payment to Lockheed for a jet fighter on time, it is not in default.

     Aside from that, even if I took your ignorant notions to be true, COngress does not decide what bills to pay and what obligations it can cancel in order to avoid missing a debt obligation.

    That is up to JacK Lew and Barack Obama. 

    If we go into default it will be on a purposeful political move by the Dear Leader.

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     




    The Republicans in the House were elected to at least try to impose some semblance of fiscal sanity.

     

    With divided Government, they are using the only tools available to stop the fiscal train wreck of unlimited Government spending , expansion , and debt, and try to stop the other train wreck of ObamaCare.

    As to our health care system, I will disagree with other posters and say, while Government involvement has ruined it to some extent generally as a free market system, it works well for most.

    80% of Americans polled were satisfied with their health care.

    So, as Walter White  of Breaking Bad said to his wife when she feared trouble from his dealing meth:

    "There is no danger; I am the danger"

    So our current health care system is not the crisis; ObamaCare is the crisis.  

     



    The deficit is falling at the fastest rate in decades and the debt limit is tied to expenditures already made, not future spending, so your points are completely irrelevant about the Republicans acting in fiscally responsible ways.

    Where was all the bluster and concern when we had a Republican president for eight years implementing huge tax cuts while getting into unfunded wars with massive costs, and unfunded prescription drug mandates?

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    I will disagree with other posters and say, while Government involvement has ruined it to some extent generally as a free market system, it works well for most.

    80% of Americans polled were satisfied with their health care.

    So our current health care system is not the crisis; ObamaCare is the crisis.  

     


    So, to he!! with the other 20%, right...?!  Who cares what they think, right...?!?

    Not only are you wrong about health care - which only works for those who can afford it, and poorly at that - you're purposefully elitist and ignorant of the plight of tens of millions of americans who are one serious injury or illness away from bankruptcy.

     

    Is it any wonder that women and minorities are constantly repulsed by the GOP, who would seek to deny them equal pay, equal benefits and an equal say in our democracy...?!

     

     

     

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:

     

    Where was all the bluster and concern when we had a Republican president for eight years implementing huge tax cuts while getting into unfunded wars with massive costs, and unfunded prescription drug mandates?



    They didn't care, because they were in charge.

    Simple as that.

     

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    Because our nation is spending more than is it taking in. Our solution has been tax more spend more for decades and WE need real fiscal responsibility in our govt.

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

    It's called prioritizing i.e. Paying for the military is more important than buying people cell phones. 

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

    No one I've heard has said "keep our old system". They have said this new ACA that was a partisan sham that excluded cronies and favorites while sticking it to the private citizens is BS! Start over with a bi-partisan bill to improve healthcare cost and make it something all people or at least a vast majority can support!! 

     

     




     



    Repealing the ACA means "keep our current system".  Republicans controlled both houses and the white house for six years while health care costs doubled, and they did nothing.

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to UserName9's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     




    The Republicans in the House were elected to at least try to impose some semblance of fiscal sanity.

     

    With divided Government, they are using the only tools available to stop the fiscal train wreck of unlimited Government spending , expansion , and debt, and try to stop the other train wreck of ObamaCare.

    As to our health care system, I will disagree with other posters and say, while Government involvement has ruined it to some extent generally as a free market system, it works well for most.

    80% of Americans polled were satisfied with their health care.

    So, as Walter White  of Breaking Bad said to his wife when she feared trouble from his dealing meth:

    "There is no danger; I am the danger"

    So our current health care system is not the crisis; ObamaCare is the crisis.  

     

     



    The deficit is falling at the fastest rate in decades and the debt limit is tied to expenditures already made, not future spending, so your points are completely irrelevant about the Republicans acting in fiscally responsible ways.

     

    Where was all the bluster and concern when we had a Republican president for eight years implementing huge tax cuts while getting into unfunded wars with massive costs, and unfunded prescription drug mandates?



    There were plenty of conservatives upset with Bush and even Reagan over their inability to control spending. There are BDC wingnuts here that actually have to argue with you morons that Bush is not a conservative because of that and other policies. All you can see is the social and antional security issues where he was conservative.

    I never said that Republicans had behaved conservatively in fiscal matters. All I said is that if we default it is not because of conservatives behaving badly it will be because Obama allows it to happen. Congress has no means to pay bills, only to appropriate money.

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    That is up to JacK Lew and Barack Obama. 


    So, can we assume that if the executive does act unilaterally to avoid default over an impotent congress, that you will stand up and cheer and encourage it as an act of "leadership"...?

    Or, more likely, will you vilify them yet some more as "two-bit dictator", "marxist", "imperial presidency" and assorted other claptrap...??

     

    Pull the other one, while you're at it....

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     

     



    From my float in the middle of the pool I see it this way:

    Default is the scorch the earth option.  The ceiling needs to be raised to pay for our out of control spending.

    Selectively paying bills; are you talking about what not to pay in terms of not raising the ceiling or in terms of what stays open during the budget impasse?  We have pay our freaking bills or we devalue our currency.

    On ACA; it's all about slowing down the ACA train wreck.  This is major legislation that was passed by reconciliation a parliamentary trick to avoid Scott Browns 41st vote against ACA.  Brown was elected in the bluest state to stop this thing and our governement gave the people the finger; hence the 2010 election house cleaning.

    Should we keep healthcare as is, no.  But should we throw it all out with a muddled bill that people still don't understand absolutely not.

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    In response to UserName9's comment:

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

     

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

     

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

     




    The Republicans in the House were elected to at least try to impose some semblance of fiscal sanity.

     

    With divided Government, they are using the only tools available to stop the fiscal train wreck of unlimited Government spending , expansion , and debt, and try to stop the other train wreck of ObamaCare.

    As to our health care system, I will disagree with other posters and say, while Government involvement has ruined it to some extent generally as a free market system, it works well for most.

    80% of Americans polled were satisfied with their health care.

    So, as Walter White  of Breaking Bad said to his wife when she feared trouble from his dealing meth:

    "There is no danger; I am the danger"

    So our current health care system is not the crisis; ObamaCare is the crisis.  

     

     

     



    The deficit is falling at the fastest rate in decades and the debt limit is tied to expenditures already made, not future spending, so your points are completely irrelevant about the Republicans acting in fiscally responsible ways.

     

     

    Where was all the bluster and concern when we had a Republican president for eight years implementing huge tax cuts while getting into unfunded wars with massive costs, and unfunded prescription drug mandates?



    There were plenty of conservatives upset with Bush and even Reagan over their inability to control spending. There are BDC wingnuts here that actually have to argue with you morons that Bush is not a conservative because of that and other policies. All you can see is the social and antional security issues where he was conservative.

     

    I never said that Republicans had behaved conservatively in fiscal matters. All I said is that if we default it is not because of conservatives behaving badly it will be because Obama allows it to happen. Congress has no means to pay bills, only to appropriate money.




    Its not all about controlling spending.  Its about managing the budget, and that means being responsible about revenues too. 

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    Because our nation is spending more than is it taking in. Our solution has been tax more spend more for decades and WE need real fiscal responsibility in our govt.

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

    It's called prioritizing i.e. Paying for the military is more important than buying people cell phones. 

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

    No one I've heard has said "keep our old system". They have said this new ACA that was a partisan sham that excluded cronies and favorites while sticking it to the private citizens is BS! Start over with a bi-partisan bill to improve healthcare cost and make it something all people or at least a vast majority can support!!  

     

     



    Agreed on the need to balance our books, but that doesn't mean this is the best way to go about it.  The sequester hurt the economy a bit, but it did bring the deficit down.  Nobody I've seen is demanding to roll back the sequester.

     

     

    Military vs. cell phones??!  You'll have to do better than that.  And I dispute the current military budget is beyond reproach.

     

    Republicans have NO alternative to the ACA on the table. None.  Maybe they would get more mileage with the american people if they start saying what they support instead of what they want to destroy or whose jobs they think aren't worth their time.

    [QUOTE]

    They have absolutely put forth alternative plans; it's just that no one including the democrats in the senate ever let them see light of day and shun them without even a courtesy discussion! You must see that dems with a super majority were arrogant bags during this progress??

    In its opening section, the Republican bill, which has no chance of passing, OR EVEN BEING HEARD promises to lower health care costs and expand insurance coverage “without raising taxes, cutting Medicare benefits for seniors, adding to the national deficit, intervening in the doctor-patient relationship or instituting a government takeover of health care.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/health/policy/04health.html?_r=0




     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

    On ACA; it's all about slowing down the ACA train wreck.  This is major legislation that was passed by reconciliation a parliamentary trick to avoid Scott Browns 41st vote against ACA.  Brown was elected in the bluest state to stop this thing and our governement gave the people the finger; hence the 2010 election house cleaning.

    Should we keep healthcare as is, no.  But should we throw it all out with a muddled bill that people still don't understand absolutely not.



    That's not why Brown was elected.  As you've said yourself, Coakley was one of the worst candidates in modern history.

    The ACA does not "throw out" health care.  It preserves what works and eliminates what doesn't on behalf of the insureds...you know, the people paying the premiums and receiving the services.

    None of you have been able to properly define "train wreck" to mean what you think it means.  This is why comparisons between the employer mandate and individual mandate are nonsensical; they're different provisions with different purposes.

    I won't excuse the admin for botching the pitch and not educating people in the maelstrom of foxnews disinformation and hysterical bloviations like "train wreck" and "disaster".

    And honestly, the gop had their chance to fix this mess before it came to this.  They ignored it, because they don't like playing up to poor people and minorities.

    Dems took their 2008 mandate and banked their political future on it.  The GOP now needs to let it go and worry about getting their own house in order.

     

     

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    Why don't we go full hog. Let's just refuse to pay any of our national debt. Total default.

     

    We'll save $16,700,000,000,000!!!

     

    Why hasn't anyone thought of this yet ?!

     
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    Re: Debt Default = Fiscal Conservatism?

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

    Someone on the conservative side of the pool needs to explain this one, pronto.

     

    What on earth is "conservative" about defaulting on our debt??  

    Because our nation is spending more than is it taking in. Our solution has been tax more spend more for decades and WE need real fiscal responsibility in our govt.

    What is "conservative" about paying these bills, but not those bills...?

    It's called prioritizing i.e. Paying for the military is more important than buying people cell phones. 

    And while we're at it:

    What is "conservative" about trying to preserve a health insurance system that costs too much, covers too little, and kicks enrollees out onto the street when they become too sick...??

    No one I've heard has said "keep our old system". They have said this new ACA that was a partisan sham that excluded cronies and favorites while sticking it to the private citizens is BS! Start over with a bi-partisan bill to improve healthcare cost and make it something all people or at least a vast majority can support!!  

     

     



    Agreed on the need to balance our books, but that doesn't mean this is the best way to go about it.  The sequester hurt the economy a bit, but it did bring the deficit down.  Nobody I've seen is demanding to roll back the sequester.

     

     

    Military vs. cell phones??!  You'll have to do better than that.  And I dispute the current military budget is beyond reproach.

     

    Republicans have NO alternative to the ACA on the table. None.  Maybe they would get more mileage with the american people if they start saying what they support instead of what they want to destroy or whose jobs they think aren't worth their time.

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    They have absolutely put forth alternative plans; it's just that no one including the democrats in the senate ever let them see light of day and shun them without even a courtesy discussion! You must see that dems with a super majority were arrogant bags during this progress??

    In its opening section, the Republican bill, which has no chance of passing, OR EVEN BEING HEARD promises to lower health care costs and expand insurance coverage “without raising taxes, cutting Medicare benefits for seniors, adding to the national deficit, intervening in the doctor-patient relationship or instituting a government takeover of health care.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/health/policy/04health.html?_r=0

    None of their plans even come close to insuring the same amount of people, bridging the care gap, or covering pre-existing conditions without a mandate.  They want the power back in the hands of the insurance companies, not the people getting mediocre care for double the price.

    Laughably, their latest plan INCLUDES the medicare savings from the Obamacare they say they hate so much.

    There is no such "intervention".

    There is no "govt takeover".

    The GOP said they would oppose ANY attempt at health care reform, and they did.  This is their bed.  Comfy??

     

     
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