Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!!

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    Dems have controll...

    Transparency, changing washington, restoring trust, accountability were all things dems ran and promised. They are also things that have deteriorated since they took charge and all they do is blames others.

    vote em out!!!!
     
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    Hey wannabee, did you notice when the enomployment figures started heading south?  Did you notice when the Manaufacturing jobs started heading south?

    Did you notice the number of job losses the country had when Bush first came into office?
     
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    I agree 100%. If they were not up to the task then they shouldn't have run for office. The last thing any employer (in this case, us) wants to hear is one of their employees with a ready made and weak excuse for not doing their job.
     
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    excuses are like a55holes; everyone has one and they all stink!
     
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    So the blame for the sinking of the Titantic should go to the person at the wheel when it actually hit the iceburg, and not on the person who was at the wheel when the Titantic was set on a collision course with the iceburg?

    Harry Truman won WWII not FDR because Truman was president when the war ended?

    When the Exxon Valdez struck ground you would blame the Captain who replaced the captain that actually put the ship aground?

    You would blame the second to the last domino for the final domino falling and place no blame of the first domino?

    You blame the last person holding the bag. unless of course the last person was a republican, then you go up the chain until you find a democrat?

    Aren't you the one that's always blaming Barney Frank and Bill Clinton for the subprime mortgage debacle?

     
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    Hmmm, when Clinton left office 01/01 the Dow was at 10,887 at 2/01 when Bush took office it was 10,495. Not exactly a bubble burst. 10,495 was only about 800 points from the highest it had been under Clinton in 8 yrs. The Dow was actually on the rise when Clinton left office going from 10,128 at the beginning of the year to 10,650 at the end of the year.

    From Mar 2000 to Aug 2000 the Dow went to 11,215.

    The dot.com bubble was over by March 2000, almost a year before Bush got into office.
    Nice try though.
     
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    Hmmm, when Clinton left office 01/01 the Dow was at 10,887 at 2/01 when Bush took office it was 10,495. Not exactly a bubble burst. 10,495 was only about 800 points from the highest it had been under Clinton in 8 yrs. The Dow was actually on the rise when Clinton left office going from 10,128 at the beginning of the year to 10,650 at the end of the year. From Mar 2000 to Aug 2000 the Dow went to 11,215. The dot.com bubble was over by March 2000, almost a year before Bush got into office. Nice try though.
    Posted by fractals

    You are misremembering...

    • In 2000, the Dow lost 6.17% of its value (11,497.10 to 10,788.00)
    • In 2001, the Dow lost 5.35% of its value (10,788.00 to 10,021.60)
    • In 2002, the Dow lost 16.76% of its value (10,021.60 to 8,341.63)
     
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    Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need acc...

    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!!:
    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : From the defender of President, "I in herited"?  Great stuff!  WTC bombing in 93 - Bush 41.  2001 Bush 42.  Bill who?  First 2 years of Reagan didn't inherit sht, it was all his fault.  The next 6 years of ZOOM, Reagan had nothing to do with that, OR, the fall of the Soviets - that was accident.  The fact the tech bubble burst and the markets started to slide under Clinton -  irrelevant!  Sure it came tumbling down in March 2000, but no one noticed until Bush was in office - so Clinton is off - on Bush's watch. you guys are really funny, and I love you.  See ya in November.
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    Do you make up stuff to get upset about?

    I think everyone agrees that Reagan inherited a mess.  I think the problem that dems have with Reagan was how he pulled the country out of recession.

    Bush I took office in 1989.  The economy lost nearly 1 jobs in 1991.  It started to recover in 1992.

    Clinton took office in 1993 and benefited from a lack of shocks to the economy (Bush I didn't really have any shocks either).  He didn't do anything to mess it up either.

    Bush 2 took office when the economy was softening.  In 2001, the economy had a minor gain in jobs.  The recession was definitely on it's way.  the problem was not that he inherited a bad economy.  The problem was that he didn't do anything about it.  Well, truth be told - he waited too long to try to stimulate the economy and when he did put forth a stimulus bill, all it contained were tax cuts for the rich.  He was willing to budge and decrese the tax cuts for the wealthy and reduce taxes for the middle class, so he stayed his ground until the economy got worse and the dems caved in.

    Bush's delay in stimulating the economy meant that the recession was deeper and longer than it had to be.  The poor/middle class got hurt so that he could pass tax cuts for the wealthy.

    9/11 certainly made the economy worse but it was tanking before 9/11.

    So how long should the first recession have lasted?  The number of jobs in the US didn't reach the 2001 level until late 2004.   

    The economy was softening in 2007 (we lost construction jobs in 2007 - we lost manufacturing jobs every year of the Bush II admin).  The recession took hold in 2008 when we lost 800,000 jobs.  And we lost 6 million jobs in 2009.

    By way, haven't you blamed the financial crisis on CRA, something that was passed under Clinton? 

    By the way, if the economy was soo good under Bush, why didn't he ever balance the budget?
     
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    Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need acc...

    Because it's true.

    You can't rebuild the country in a year. It took 8 years for Bush and Co. to nearly destroy it, phony wars, $5 bilion/month for Iraq, bad economics, destroying the middle class, dig-the-curren- hole tax cuts that benefitted the top 10%.

    And let us not forget that the GOP controlled congress for most of Clinton's presidency.

    How about that oil industry regulation? Anchovies, anyone?

    If you dig the hole then ask me to fill it in, and criticize me for buying fill and ask me why it's taking so long, well you shouldn't have dug such a deep hole... crazy people.


    Next caller.
     
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    sk8ter2008 Posts: 2478

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    That should ID the paid screamers.
     
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    The dot.com bubble was over by March 2000.
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    Bwa hahahahahaha ha hahahaha ha ha hahahahahahaha ha ha ha hahahaha!


    I love revisionists who can't read!

    You're great man, thanks.  I needed that belly laugh
     
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    Economies are cyclical, and in general, the best thing governments can do is stay out of the way.  It is the hubris of the elites that makes them think they can have anything other than a marginal effect, and ususally get it wrong because they have been living in abubble most oftheir lives and have no real connectivity to the rest of us.  but, they know better....
     
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    Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need acc...

    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!!:
    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : You are misremembering... In 2000, the Dow lost 6.17% of its value (11,497.10 to 10,788.00) In 2001, the Dow lost 5.35% of its value (10,788.00 to 10,021.60) In 2002, the Dow lost 16.76% of its value (10,021.60 to 8,341.63)
    Posted by brat13


    Um no, all my numbers are correct.
     
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    Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need acc...

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    And so ends the dem, "It happened on his watch arg" God this is easy. BTW, heading south, is bad.
    Posted by GreginMeffa


    Maybe the problem your having is that you forgot that this isn't a situation in which one of the two statements must be true:

    A.  "It always is the person's fault whose presidential watch it is";
    B.  "It is never the person's fault whose presidential watch it is"

    The interesting things about these boards is that many posters seem to act that way.  Actually that's not the interesting part.  The interesting part is that they act that way, but reach a different result depending on the thread.

    For example:

    Conservative poster + something that happened under dem pres, republican congress -- />  It is the persons fault whose presidential watch it is

    Conservative poster + something that happened under dem pres, democrat congress -- />  It is the persons fault whose presidential watch it is

    Conservative poster + something that happened under rep pres, republican congress -- />  It is the last democrat congress or president's fault.

    Conservative poster + something that happened under rep pres, democrat congress  -- />  It is the last democrat congress' fault.


    And the really amazing thing is the same conservative posters who play the above games are the ones who say "oh yeah, you're just blaming bush" the most often.




     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!!:
    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : You are misremembering... In 2000, the Dow lost 6.17% of its value (11,497.10 to 10,788.00) In 2001, the Dow lost 5.35% of its value (10,788.00 to 10,021.60) In 2002, the Dow lost 16.76% of its value (10,021.60 to 8,341.63)
    Posted by brat13


    And you are misreading.  He was broke things into periods of months for purpose of attacking the "inherited response"

    Your answer is 1/1 to 1/1 figures?  Those don't show he's misremembering.  Your just looking at a different divisions of time.  But you knew that.
     
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    Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need acc...

    Maybe the problem your having is that you forgot that this isn't a situation in which one of the two statements must be true:

    A.  "It always is the person's fault whose presidential watch it is";
    B.  "It is never the person's fault whose presidential watch it is"

    The interesting things about these boards is that many posters seem to act that way.  Actually that's not the interesting part.  The interesting part is that they act that way, but reach a different result depending on the thread.

    For example:

    Conservative poster + something that happened under dem pres, republican congress -- />  It is the persons fault whose presidential watch it is

    Conservative poster + something that happened under dem pres, democrat congress -- />  It is the persons fault whose presidential watch it is

    Conservative poster + something that happened under rep pres, republican congress -- />  It is the last democrat congress or president's fault.

    Conservative poster + something that happened under rep pres, democrat congress  -- />  It is the last democrat congress' fault.


    And the really amazing thing is the same conservative posters who play the above games are the ones who say "oh yeah, you're just blaming bush" the most often.




    Right because only conservative posters play the above games. LOL....denial ain't a pretty thing my friend

     
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    Economies are cyclical, and in general, the best thing governments can do is stay out of the way.  It is the hubris of the elites that makes them think they can have anything other than a marginal effect, and ususally get it wrong because they have been living in abubble most oftheir lives and have no real connectivity to the rest of us.  but, they know better....
    Posted by skeeter20


    The current situation is not the result of a business cycle.  It's the result of a distortion in the market that caused a housing bubble that burst.

    Some government intervention (like tax cuts to the wealthy and subsidies on SUVs) do cause problems in the economy.  But they are usually the result of special favors granted to campaign contributors or pandering.

    By the way, how do you feel about NAFTA?
     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : The current situation is not the result of a business cycle.  It's the result of a distortion in the market that caused a housing bubble that burst. Some government intervention (like tax cuts to the wealthy and subsidies on SUVs) do cause problems in the economy.  But they are usually the result of special favors granted to campaign contributors or pandering. By the way, how do you feel about NAFTA?
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    Distortions from where? The government, regulation?  Be careful.  you are about to make my point.

    As far as tax cuts, that is the distortion.  the lessening of the tax burden allows the market to operate a bit more efficiently.

    Special favors?  Like BP and Obama.

    NAFTA? Not a fan.  Interaction between country level economies work at the edges, not at the center.  Just look at the EU if you wantto see where NAFTA leads.
     
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    Dems are trying to have it both ways.  That is a fact.


    Most Dems blamed Bush for 9-11.  He had been in office for 8 months.

    Now we have Obama in office for 20 mnths and he is still claiming he "inherited it".

    Everyone agrees including MSNBC that Obama cannot get away with that anymore, and when he does say it, it hurts him, because people call B S.  

    And Dems are just as responsible for the recession.  When it started who controlled Congress?

    4 years is plenty to be responsible for policy outcomes.  End of story. 
     
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    Obama did not inherit a mess, he inherited an economic catastrophe and two wars.
    Did you really expect a quick fix?

    ....or do you actually think he's really the messiah?
     
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    Obama did not inherit a mess, he inherited an economic catastrophe and two wars. Did you really expect a quick fix? ....or do you actually think he's really the messiah?
    Posted by Bill.the.Cat



    No, but I expect him to man-up and stop blaming Bush, 18 months in.

    As far as the wars, Obama can't have it both ways.  His nuanced stance was that Iraq was the wrong war and a failure, Afghanistan was the right war to fight.  His strategy wasto go apologize to the Islamic war, which should have had the effect of racheting down the wars, because the islamists would see that we were sorry for going after those who mean us harm.  Now, with that having failed, it is back to the "bush started it" excuse?  Just when is Obama responsible for what is going on?
     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : No, but I expect him to man-up and stop blaming Bush, 18 months in. As far as the wars, Obama can't have it both ways.  His nuanced stance was that Iraq was the wrong war and a failure, Afghanistan was the right war to fight.  His strategy wasto go apologize to the Islamic war, which should have had the effect of racheting down the wars, because the islamists would see that we were sorry for going after those who mean us harm.  Now, with that having failed, it is back to the "bush started it" excuse?  Just when is Obama responsible for what is going on?
    Posted by skeeter20


    Man where to go get your drivel from, a whacko wingnut memo?
    Do you know what the word 'nuanced' means?
    And it's not an Islamic war moron.
     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : Man where to go get your drivel from, a whacko wingnut memo? Do you know what the word nuanced means? And it's not an Islamic war moron.
    Posted by fractals


    Why bother addressing the posters points by countering with a valid argument when you can reply with insults and the standard "whacko wingnut memo" response. Brilliant reply my friend....brilliant reply. Kudos!
     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!!:
    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : Why bother addressing the posters points by countering with a valid argument when you can reply with insults and the standard "whacko wingnut memo" response. Brilliant reply my friend....brilliant reply. Kudos!
    Posted by hawkeye01


    That's funny I don't see alot of condemnation from you when the wingnuts through around 'insults' or comparing Obama to Hitler.
    Gotta love that double standard...
     
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    In Response to Re: Dems have controlled the congress for 4 years the WH for 18 months and still blame everything on Republicans. We need accountability on Govt not excuses and blame!! : That's funny I don't see alot of condemnation from you when the wingnuts through around 'insults' or comparing Obama to Hitler. Gotta love that double standard...
    Posted by fractals


    So you've seen everyone of my 2,435 prior posts have ya? Mmmmmm no ya haven't. If ya had A) that would be creepy and B) you'd know how wrong you were. But continue on with your incorrect assumptions. It's what you do best.
     
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