Detroit’s Police Chief: Armed Citizens Share Responsibility For Our Drop In Crime

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    Detroit’s Police Chief: Armed Citizens Share Responsibility For Our Drop In Crime

    Detroit Police Chief James Craig is crediting the many incidents of high-profile shootings of criminals by law-abiding citizens for playing a role in the dramatic reduction of crime in Motor City over the past year.


     


    While also crediting his officers in the Detroit Police Department, Craig was adamant that armed citizens are sending a message to criminals:


     


    Detroit has experienced 37 percent fewer robberies in 2014 than during the same period last year, 22 percent fewer break-ins of businesses and homes, and 30 percent fewer carjackings. Craig attributed the drop to better police work and criminals being reluctant to prey on citizens who may be carrying guns.


     


    Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon,” said Craig, who has repeatedly said he believes armed citizens deter crime. “I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.


     


    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.


     


    Craig made national news in January, when he told The Detroit News he believed armed citizens deter crime — an unusual stance for an urban police chief. In May, the chief was featured in an NRA publication, America’s 1st Freedom, in a cover story titled “A Show of Courage in Detroit,” in which Craig reiterated his support for citizens using guns to protect themselves.


    Compare to the clueless Police Chief in moonbat-run Chicago, where shootings are out of control and rising, who blames lack of even more gun control laws that thugs will ignore....

     
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    Funny how when one police chief blames the rise in gun violence on the relaxing gun laws CLC goes batshiat crazy saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

    When another police chief says people with guns are lowering crime ... he gloms onto it without a hint of irony.

     

     
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    Re: Detroit’s Police Chief: Armed Citizens Share Responsibility For Our Drop In Crime

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    Detroit Police Chief James Craig is crediting


    Craig was adamant


     Craig attributed


    said Craig


    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.


    Craig made national news in January, when he told The Detroit News he believed armed citizens deter crime





    Uh huh. Man you really don't care what you cite so long as it sounds like it agrees with you.


    You are quoting a man who (1) made national news for saying these things, and (2) admits that he has no idea what crimes were actually stopped by good guys with guns.


    ......it's just that he's sure of it, you know, in his head.......


     


    Like you.

     
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    Re: Detroit’s Police Chief: Armed Citizens Share Responsibility For Our Drop In Crime

    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Funny how when one police chief blames the rise in gun violence on the relaxing gun laws CLC goes batshiat crazy saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

    When another police chief says people with guns are lowering crime ... he gloms onto it without a hint of irony.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Even funnier is you're no different with your hypocrisy.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     


    Detroit Police Chief James Craig is crediting


    Craig was adamant


     Craig attributed


    said Craig


    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.


    Craig made national news in January, when he told The Detroit News he believed armed citizens deter crime


     



     

     

    Uh huh. Man you really don't care what you cite so long as it sounds like it agrees with you.

     

    You are quoting a man who (1) made national news for saying these things, and (2) admits that he has no idea what crimes were actually stopped by good guys with guns.

     

    ......it's just that he's sure of it, you know, in his head.......

     

     

     

    Like you.

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    Gun crime in Detroit is falling, and gun crime in Chicago is out of control and rising.....so who do you think has more credibility?

    Results matter.

     
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    Gun crime in Detroit is falling, and gun crime in Chicago is out of control and rising.....so who do you think has more credibility?


    Results matter.






    What I think is irrelevant.


    Unless impounded, which is rare, the vast majority of police reports are public records. One can really sift through all this stuff to find out specifically what happened - and determine for a fact whether or just how many times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy with a gun.


    Until then, it's just pointless unfounded opinions, whether the police chief's, yours, or mine.


     


    All sorts of things affect crime stats.


    Sometimes it's even the police themselves, underreporting or misreporting crimes and/or pressuring victims to do so, to meet their bosses' numbers targets.


     

     
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    Gun crime in Detroit is falling, and gun crime in Chicago is out of control and rising.....so who do you think has more credibility?
    Results matter.



    Well by that tissue-thin example ... the police chief in Chicago is correct ... gun crime in Chicago is high.



    And how do you know it's not bad guys with guns intimidating other bad guys with guns while protecting their turf?

     
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    "Uh huh. Man you really don't care what you cite so long as it sounds like it agrees with you."


    You are quoting a man who (1) made national news for saying these things, and (2) admits that he has no idea what crimes were actually stopped by good guys with guns.


    ......it's just that he's sure of it, you know, in his head.......


     


    Like you.


     



     


    Actually, he did not cite any article, so those who want the complete story have to go looking for it. 


     


    So, for instance, one of these itchy-fingered gun owners shot at a news crew who came to interview him. He is now under psychiatric evaluation while the police decide whether to press charges.


     


    There is one example of armed homeowners helping to lower crime.


     


    Also, from the same article is this.


     


    "Josh Horwitz, director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence in Washington D.C., insisted citizens with guns don’t deter crime.


     


    “Our position is, more guns equals more crime,” Horwitz said “These are complicated issues, but the empirical evidence shows the states with the lowest gun ownership and the tightest restrictions have the fewest instances of gun violence."


     


     


     


    So, in his mind, Chief Craig believes gun violence has gone down because of more gun owner ship, but he cannot say how much.


     


    On the other hand, the empirical evidence is states with the lowest gun ownership and tightest restrictions have the fewest instances of gun violence.


     


    I will take the empirical evidence as well as the opinions of the majority of urban police chiefs over Chief Craig's mind any day.


     


     


     


     


     


    Detroit— Fed up with crime, some armed Detroiters have developed itchy trigger-fingers — and Police Chief James Craig said lawbreakers are getting the message.


     


    In the latest incident, police say an 88-year-old who was beaten and robbed inside his east side home last week probably thought he was defending himself against attackers when he opened fire Monday on a television news crew.


     


    On Thursday, a woman appeared on his front porch asking for help, and when he opened his door, two men rushed in, assaulted him and tied him up with a phone cord before robbing him of several items.


     


    A reporter from Channel 2 (WJBK) knocked on the man’s door on Arndt Street Monday, and conducted a short interview, although the man, whose name was not released, would not open his door. After a crew from Channel 7 (WXYZ) came onto the man’s porch, he fired a single shot. No one was hurt, and the bullet lodged into a tree.


     


    Police took the man into custody, where he is undergoing a psychological evaluation, Assistant Chief Steve Dolunt said.


     


    “I think he was traumatized; he got beat up pretty good,” Dolunt said. “When the second reporter went onto his porch, he may have thought she was the woman who had tricked him, and he probably thought he was defending himself.”


     


    Dolunt said police are investigating the matter, and it will be up to prosecutors to decide whether to bring charges.


     


    The incident was the latest in a string of homeowners opening fire to defend themselves, although after a flurry of such shootings early this year, before Monday there hadn’t been a reported incident since May 4 — an indication that criminals are thinking twice about breaking into people’s houses, Craig said.


     


    Detroit has experienced 37 percent fewer robberies in 2014 than during the same period last year, 22 percent fewer break-ins of businesses and homes, and 30 percent fewer carjackings. Craig attributed the drop to better police work and criminals being reluctant to prey on citizens who may be carrying guns.


     


    “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon,” said Craig, who has repeatedly said he believes armed citizens deter crime. “I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.


     


    “I can’t say what specific percentage is caused by this, but there’s no question in my mind it has had an effect,” Craig said.


     


    Craig made national news in January, when he told The Detroit News he believed armed citizens deter crime — an unusual stance for an urban police chief. In May, the chief was featured in an NRA publication, America’s 1st Freedom, in a cover story titled “A Show of Courage in Detroit,” in which Craig reiterated his support for citizens using guns to protect themselves.


     


    Through the years, various studies have reached different conclusions on whether tighter gun laws equal less crime. A 2013 study by the American Journal of Public Health found that the states with the loosest restrictions on gun ownership had the highest gun death rates. But a 2007 Harvard University study found that banning guns would not have an effect on murder rates.


     


    Josh Horwitz, director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence in Washington D.C., insisted citizens with guns don’t deter crime.


     


    “Our position is, more guns equals more crime,” Horwitz said “These are complicated issues, but the empirical evidence shows the states with the lowest gun ownership and the tightest restrictions have the fewest instances of gun violence.


     


    Detroit resident Al Woods, a self-described former criminal who is now an anti-violence advocate and author, agreed criminals are thinking twice about attacking citizens.


     


    “If I was out there now robbing people these days, knowing there are a lot more people with guns, I know I’d have to rethink my game plan,” said Woods, 60.


     


    Craig said he doesn’t believe gun ownership deters criminals from attacking other criminals. “They automatically assume another criminal is carrying,” he said. “I’m talking about criminals who are thinking of robbing a citizen; they’re less likely to do so if they think they might be armed.”


     


    Bill Welborne, 80, a former Tuskegee Airman and Korean War veteran, said he agreed with Craig.


     


    “I have a pistol and a shotgun,” said Welborne, who wasn’t home 15 years ago when burglars broke into his west side house and stole his coin collection. “Without a doubt, if my life is in danger, I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot.”


     


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    Re: Detroit’s Police Chief: Armed Citizens Share Responsibility For Our Drop In Crime

    In response to high-road's comment:
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    Funny how when one police chief blames the rise in gun violence on the relaxing gun laws CLC goes batshiat crazy saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

    When another police chief says people with guns are lowering crime ... he gloms onto it without a hint of irony.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe it is because the former is not true and the latter is true.

    ever think of that?

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:


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    Gun crime in Detroit is falling, and gun crime in Chicago is out of control and rising.....so who do you think has more credibility?
    Results matter.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Well by that tissue-thin example ... the police chief in Chicago is correct ... gun crime in Chicago is high.

     



    And how do you know it's not bad guys with guns intimidating other bad guys with guns while protecting their turf?

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    The Chicago police chief is right that crime is high, and he fails a very simple logic test, connecting keeping honest citizens unarmed and failing to remove arms from dishonest ones.

    the evidence is compelling: more guns means less crime. In the hands of honest citizens, that is. Heck, even the FBI is on board.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F" rel="nofollow">http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

     

     
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    [QUOTE] more guns means less crime. [/QUOTE]

     

    Is that why we have the most gun crimes per capita, the most people incarcerated per capita, etc etc etc?

     

     

     
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
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    In response to high-road's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Funny how when one police chief blames the rise in gun violence on the relaxing gun laws CLC goes batshiat crazy saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

    When another police chief says people with guns are lowering crime ... he gloms onto it without a hint of irony.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe it is because the former is not true and the latter is true.

    ever think of that?

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    ron,

    Most urban police chiefs do not agree with Craig. Do you not think that is an important point?

    Also,through the years, various studies have reached different conclusions on whether tighter gun laws equal less crime. A 2013 study by the American Journal of Public Health found that the states with the loosest restrictions on gun ownership had the highest gun death rates. 

    The above are facts to be considered are they not?

     
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    In response to sprague1953's comment:
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    In response to ronreganfan's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to high-road's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Funny how when one police chief blames the rise in gun violence on the relaxing gun laws CLC goes batshiat crazy saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

    When another police chief says people with guns are lowering crime ... he gloms onto it without a hint of irony.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe it is because the former is not true and the latter is true.

    ever think of that?

    [/QUOTE]

    ron,

    Most urban police chiefs do not agree with Craig. Do you not think that is an important point?

    Also,through the years, various studies have reached different conclusions on whether tighter gun laws equal less crime. A 2013 study by the American Journal of Public Health found that the states with the loosest restrictions on gun ownership had the highest gun death rates. 

    The above are facts to be considered are they not?

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    I don't care if he's the only police chief who believes this, the others are factually wrong.  Look at the FBI data.

    As far as the other data, pove it.  Study after study disagrees, particularly when suicides are factored out.  Guns save lives, that is undeniable. Chicago: some 80 shootings over 4th of July.  Does that sound like a success to you?

    The police are failing to stop crime in all the major cities with strict gun laws, yet they cling bitterly to this progressive idea.  Time to arm the good guys.  The bad guys will slink away.  Cowards always do.

    there is a reason for a 2nd amendment, and it isn't to protect the bad guys.

     

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