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    Been dead 5 times now w/out quality health insurance and yet he opposes coverage for all Americans.  What a guy!!!!  The best part, taxpayers pay for his coverage.   What a guy!!! http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/dick_cheneys_health_care.php
    Posted by mynameisAugustWest


    Dick Cheney would be dead if we had a universal health system run by the government that promotes mediocrity and rationing rather than the private system that we have that promotes excellence and the best technology and treatments on the planet!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Dick Cheney would have....... : The GOP clearly does have a plan, you just don't like it as it is limited and presserves healthcare as we know it, there are four primary points that the vast majority of Americans agree with. http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
    Posted by massmoderateJoe


    There is so much false information on the objective link gop.gov you posted it is staggering.  Throughout this process the opposition has shamefully flooded the public with mis-information (Death panels, made up cost) b/c the GOP would rather gain political points by seeing Obama fail than too work with him and see reform succeed.

    According to a methodology

    developed by senior White House

    economists, the Pelosi bill will destroy

    5.5 Million jobs in the next 10 years.  (gop.gov)

    That is nothing short of a blatant lie. 

    Assertions that the proposed bill would "force Seniors out of their coverage", again just ridiculous.  
     
    The website continuously referenes the CBO, but no where does it mention that the same CBO estimates that the "pelosi bill" would ultimately save money over the next decade and actually help to lower the national debt.  Selective info at its finest.

     
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    In Response to Dick Cheney would have....... : Dick Cheney would be dead if we had a universal health system run by the government that promotes mediocrity and rationing rather than the private system that we have that promotes excellence and the best technology and treatments on the planet!!!!
    Posted by macnh1


    You realize Dick Cheney as a gov't employee has gov't healthcare?  It would seem his options are anything but mediocre or rationed.

    To say that our system "promotes excellence and the best technology and treatments on the planet" is not the core of the reason for reform.  No one disputes the excellence of options in the this country.  The problem is the cost and lack of accessibility to those options for 10's of millions of Americans.
     
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    What is the obsession the Dems have with kicking previous officials/candidates who are NOT any part of the current legislatibe process? Palin, Cheney, Rowe, Bush must have targets on their backs. They are non issues and have ZERO influence in the current arena. Maybe it makes them feel like a man? Oops..
    Posted by 1984-Redux


    Zero influence?  Come on and get serious.  Bush is certainly out of the loop, but Rove, Cheney and Palin are certainly in the public eye spouting off on the conservative creed and tearing down the liberal agenda.  Cheney in particular was all over the news with his attacks in Obama.  Indeed, I have little doubt that he was hospitalized not for a heart attack, but for pangs of guilt for all his misrepresentations.
     
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    In Response to Re: Dick Cheney would have....... : There is so much false information on the objective link gop.gov you posted it is staggering.  Throughout this process the opposition has shamefully flooded the public with mis-information (Death panels, made up cost) b/c the GOP would rather gain political points by seeing Obama fail than too work with him and see reform succeed. According to a methodology developed by senior White House economists, the Pelosi bill will destroy 5.5 Million jobs in the next 10 years.  (gop.gov) That is nothing short of a blatant lie.  Assertions that the proposed bill would "force Seniors out of their coverage", again just ridiculous.     The website continuously referenes the CBO, but no where does it mention that the same CBO estimates that the "pelosi bill" would ultimately save money over the next decade and actually help to lower the national debt.  Selective info at its finest.
    Posted by mynameisAugustWest


    I missed the reference to death panels on the GOP site.

    Part of the reason there are questions is because the Dems created a monstrous 2700 page bill. To obscure the pork and special deals it is loaded up on.

    The Dems created the confusion.

    The Dems refused to hold open CSPAN mtgs to resolve Senate/House differences

    The Dems created the current stalemate by saying its their way or the highway because they felt they had a mandate and over reached, and then they and you have the gaul to blame the GOP.

    The people spoke with the Brown election in that they are not onboard with the overreaching Dem Healthcare proposal.  The message was start over and slow down and we'll agree to some incremental change.

    The CBO reference to the Pelosi plan saving money is like the 1980 estimate of 2.5B for the Big Dig one very large pipe dream of a lie.  This is where politicians/policymakers lie and and liars figure.
     
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    In Response to Re: Dick Cheney would have....... : I missed the reference to death panels on the GOP site. Part of the reason there are questions is because the Dems created a monstrous 2700 page bill. To obscure the pork and special deals it is loaded up on. The Dems created the confusion. The Dems refused to hold open CSPAN mtgs to resolve Senate/House differences The Dems created the current stalemate by saying its their way or the highway because they felt they had a mandate and over reached, and then they and you have the gaul to blame the GOP. The people spoke with the Brown election in that they are not onboard with the overreaching Dem Healthcare proposal.  The message was start over and slow down and we'll agree to some incremental change. The CBO reference to the Pelosi plan saving money is like the 1980 estimate of 2.5B for the Big Dig one very large pipe dream of a lie.  This is where politicians/policymakers lie and and liars figure.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe


    I appreciate what seems like objectivity coming from you.  No the GOP would not be so foolish as to put "death panels" on their site, but to deny that the right wing talking heads used that and other proposterous claims to help influence public opinion is just false.  For this the GOP/right wing propaganda machine is absolutely worthy of blame.  Both sides love to accuse the other of "politics as usual" while they are engaging in the exact behavior.

    The Dems acted like Dems and over-thought this entire process.  Regardless of what mandate they may or may not have had, they had the votes and should have simply muscled it through but instead they opted for in-fighting and eventually fell victim to the politicalization of it. 

    Not to diminish the Brown election but special elections have extremely low voter turn-out and Coakley absolutely ran a terrible campaign.  She got what she deserved.  It would be shocking to see Brown win again in 2 years, when it is a presidential year and voter turn-out is much higher.

    Again regarding the CBO, it is fine if you dispute the assertion of the Pelosi plan saving money (equating it to the big dig) but then don't expect me to think it is accurate on the points the GOP website wants it to be accurate on.  Can't have it both ways.  If it is flawed then it is flawed both ways.
     
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    In Response to Re: Dick Cheney would have....... : Zero influence?  Come on and get serious.  Bush is certainly out of the loop, but Rove, Cheney and Palin are certainly in the public eye spouting off on the conservative creed and tearing down the liberal agenda.  Cheney in particular was all over the news with his attacks in Obama.  Indeed, I have little doubt that he was hospitalized not for a heart attack, but for pangs of guilt for all his misrepresentations.
    Posted by Reubenhop


    You are understandably.. very sensitive.
    By my reconing these are private citizens.. even legal (not that it matters to some).

    I'll throw you a softball and finish your last point..
    IMPOSSIBLE!! Repubs are incapable of remorse or guilt. Only Dems ... Feel.
    Just ask... Bwarney.. he represents middle America (on some other planet)


     
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    Why should Cheney in his eight years push for something a) the people don't want, b) is not the government's responsibility, and c) the government can't afford.

    Look, iti si simple.  the government does not have the right to take my personal property and freedom and force me to buy their health care.  The government needs to be reeled back into its cage before it devours us all. 
     
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    Nowhere in the bill of rights does it say that Americans are entitled to free health care. As a free nation based on a limited government, socialized health care is completely contradictory to freedom and capitalism. Entitlements are ruining America.
     
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    Sandshark: LIMITED government:  you might have to explain that concept to the hapless progressives on this site who see ythe government as the fount of all things.
     
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            Dick Cheney would be dead if we had a universal health system


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                                   Seems to me like a win/win
     
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                    Dick Cheney would be dead if we had a universal health system ------------------------------------------------------------------------------                                Seems to me like a win/win
    Posted by kelldog1


    How classy of you. And no, I don't care for Cheney.
     
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    Nowhere in the bill of rights does it say that Americans are entitled to free health care. As a free nation based on a limited government, socialized health care is completely contradictory to freedom and capitalism. Entitlements are ruining America.
    Posted by sandshark222


    You are just being silly.  No where in the Bill of Rights is there mention of the right to an education, or marriage, or to raise your family or to have food and drugs that will not be poisonous and yet...   Maybe some day you will join the 20th Century.  Meanwhile the rest of us are moving well into the 21st.  People want entitlements and create institutions to make them happen.  You will too if you get sick.
     
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    Recipe:
    Violin music combined with guilt and a dash of fear mongering.
    Cook in a slow oven for a generation of ideologue lawyers and... voila!!

    Delish!! Seconds anyone?
     
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    "I'm all for fiscal responsibility" Sure ya are....as long as your snout is kept in the trough. "hypocrasy"   Gawd, how many times do clueless libs throw this out ? Stick to "racist", at least you can spell it. 
    Posted by BobinVa


    Bobin...the GOP has not had the best track record of late on fiscal responsiblity.  The Bush tax cuts, "stimulus" checks, two wars, all funded by appropriations and/or borrowing, increasing the national debt and deficit.  The GOP allowed "Pay as you Go" to expire.  Now they've seemingly forgotten the years 2001-2007 and whine about "Democrat" spending. They've also forgotten that George Bush, not Barack Obama, signed TARP to bail out the banks, demanded money for AIG, etc.  Are Democrats always fiscally responsible? No.  But neither are Republicans, they just seem to have a really short memory about it!
     
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    Funny how none of the libs complained about Fat Teddy being kept in a catatonic state for an extra year at tax-payers expense.

    Cancer of the brain is a death sentence...a mild heart attack often isn't.

     
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    Recipe: Violin music combined with guilt and a dash of fear mongering. Cook in a slow oven for a generation of ideologue lawyers and... voila!! Delish!! Seconds anyone?
    Posted by 1984-Redux


    Some people think compassion is a weakness.  Many others think it is what makes us human.   That's philosophy and has nothing to do with a paranoid fantasy concerning a "generation of ideologue lawyers".
     
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    True compassion is a virtue.

    Liberal "compassion" means government redistributing wealth, and the liberal usually gets a good cut of the transaction.
     
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    Rubenhop:  Cokmpasion is definitely a good thing.  In the hands of government, however, it is a loaded gun in the hands of pychopaths.
     
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    If my neighbor had cancer and needed help, I would be more than happy to see my taxes provide him/her with some sort of help and comfort. I guess that makes me a socialist liberal commie fan boy. Or maybe just a good neighbor.
     
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    Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on your back. Just trying to be a helpful neighbor ; )
     
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    Bill.the.cat:  Maybe you should reach into your own pocket, or god forbid, actually go over and help your neighbor with cancer.

    Taxes, to the extent they help, should be in the area of making sure people have unfettered ACCESS to health care.  Wether or not they can afford it, well that is not a legitimate use of my tax dollars.  Example:  The longtime state rep (senator?) from Salem, Ruane, died a couple years back.  He had several opportunities to pay in to a retirement account, yet, he knowngly and willingly did not.  The Senate voted HIS WIFE a pension, becasue he did not provide for himself.  Legitimate use of my taxes dollars?  no.  it was/is theft.

    So, extend that to a neighbor with cancer.  Didn't buy insurance, maybe smoked.  Now, you come to me, and want me to give him unlimited access to tax dollars, even though he did not take normal and customary steps to take care of hiumself.  Legitimate use of tax dollars? no.  More like theft.
     
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    Nowhere in the bill of rights does it say that Americans are entitled to free health care. As a free nation based on a limited government, socialized health care is completely contradictory to freedom and capitalism. Entitlements are ruining America.
    Posted by sandshark222


    Stop making sense, it confuses and irritates the liberals.
     
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