Obama: Re-elected.

Warren: elected.

Harry Reid:  moving to change the fillibuster rules to disadvantage the republicans.

 

Watch out.  The left is getting ready to move this country far to the left.

Yeah. Don't buy it. Cause he was already f**king there. After all his central piece of legislation came from the right.

 

But don't tell them that. A goldfish has a longer memory.

In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

Hear, hear.

We saw it in 2008. And then, guess what...?

We saw it again in 2012, dick morris and rasmussen notwithstanding, of course.

 

In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

Sure thing.  sigh.  Why are liberals so afraid to but their brand on socialised medicine?  For the millionth time, it is not a conservative idea.  a gerbil could figure that one out.

In response to MattyScornD's comment:

Right.  obama is in the center.  keep telling yourself that.

And, answer my question.  how are we going to pay for theis huge expansion of government in the middle?

Obama doesn't need to move to the center.  The reason is simple, the idea that he so far off to the left is nothing but a strawman imaginary Obama that the right spent four years building and last night reality collided with the right wing bubble and reality won. 

The GOP and their know nothing brigade of congresspeople in the house are the extremists and they have moved the needle so far on what constitutes the "center" that Ronald Reagan himself would not have made it through the 2012 GOP primaries.

Obama has continually tried to work with the GOP and has been met with cries of "no compromise", obstruction, and a right wing media that was highly concerned with his birth certificate, blasting the democratic coalition as moochers, layabouts, and welfare cases, and calling him every name in the book short of the n-word to create the impression that he is not american either in legal status or whatever it is that the right has decided is American.

Mad because he passed Obamacare?  That was a campaign promise.  He didn't just decide to do that on day one, he ran on that promise and delivered on his promise.  The idea that he he is pushing the country toward calamity is what the GOP tells itself at night to make themselves feel better about their shrinking electorate and an uncomfortable fact they don't want to confront, namely, that America is changing and their regional party of woman hating, nativist, anti intellectuals is going extinct and for the GOP to remain relevant it will need to move away from the Southern Strategy and embrace the country that exist rather than the one they wished still existed. 

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If Obama moves to the middle that means he's moving back to the LEFT !

In response to Sistersledge's comment:

Truly delusional.

 

Looks like the immediate agenda is:

   Increase taxes across the board.

   Amnesty for illegals.

   Increased social spendng

   Fairly big defense cuts.

And that's based on just the last 24 hours.  Reid is paving the road by changing the fillibuster rules.

You guys won.  I get it.  But, do you know how devestating this will be to all of us??

 

Well its easy to see that ones own self determined reference to the middle has a huge impact on one's perception of where Obama is.

So my view

Matty is well left of center, snarky but not angry

WDYWN is left of center but he dance close to the center on some issues

Skeeter is well right of center frustrated but not angry

No Mo is close to the right edge

Sis is far left

Damian dances left of center similar to WDYWN

Angry is well at the angry left edge

Bethekool aka bobin is hard right like Skeeter

I'm right of center fiscally and moderate on social issues as I have my opinion but they don't drive me on policy; I have no war on women and gays and we need a realistic immigration policy/solution.

From my position; Obama who blew his political capital on ACA vs. fixing the economy is left of center and he scares business.  He is only interested in his coalition of special interest groups and he doesn't look out for my interests of wanting a strong and unfettered economy.  I still wish Huntsman survived the primary; Obama's team feared him and he would have won because he wouldn't have had the gender gap nor would he have had the blow out Hispani/Latino gap. 

 

In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

I think you naled it. 

However, I think when you put Obama on an ideological map that is somewhat objective, say, put all the presidents of the past 100 years or so, Obama ends up all the way to the left.  That I think is a fair analysis.

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I think you naled it. 

However, I think when you put Obama on an ideological map that is somewhat objective, say, put all the presidents of the past 100 years or so, Obama ends up all the way to the left.  That I think is a fair analysis.

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Going back to Wilson is going back a long ways.  You should go back to F.D.R. who created the modern state.  Obama is probably left of J.F.K. and Truman.  Similar to Clinton.  But to the right of F.D.R., L.B.J. and Carter.  Makes him a moderate Democrat.  

In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

Joe I'm a f...... True Blue American !http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171352

SEMPER FI !

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In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:

He has his own definitions.  Public education is socialism too.

In response to Reubenhop's comment:

No, same definition, you just don't understand it, being a teacher.

You don't think Obamacare is socialised medicine?  Jsut because we pay for it directly, and not via taxation?

Look , the government CONTROLS the means in healthcare now.  They control what people get paid, they control what is covered.  They control whether or not you even have to have it (never heard of waivers?).  That's socialism.  If you can't see that, you are just stupid.

In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:

Obamacare.  It fits the definition.  The left calls it "government directed captitalism".  That should be a clue that even Obama knows it is socialism.

 

Here, read this:

http://www.pwc.com/gx/en/financial-services/projectblue/rise-of-state-directed-capitalism/rise-of-state-directed-capitalism.jhtml

Key excerpt:

"The pendulum swing away from the free market towards state-directed capitalism in the wake of the financial crisis is manifesting itself in increasing direction of financial services and the wider economy."

What do youu think "direction" means, if not control?

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What socialized medicine are you referring to?

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He has his own definitions.  Public education is socialism too.

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No, same definition, you just don't understand it, being a teacher.

You don't think Obamacare is socialised medicine?  Jsut because we pay for it directly, and not via taxation?

Look , the government CONTROLS the means in healthcare now.  They control what people get paid, they control what is covered.  They control whether or not you even have to have it (never heard of waivers?).  That's socialism.  If you can't see that, you are just stupid.

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Scoialism to you is anything you don't like.  It's your personal definition without any real regard for history or philosophy.

No the government does not control those things.  Private companies are still in place.  Making up facts for made up theories must make you happy. But it has little meaning for the rest of us.

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What socialized medicine are you referring to?

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He has his own definitions.  Public education is socialism too.

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No, same definition, you just don't understand it, being a teacher.

You don't think Obamacare is socialised medicine?  Jsut because we pay for it directly, and not via taxation?

Look , the government CONTROLS the means in healthcare now.  They control what people get paid, they control what is covered.  They control whether or not you even have to have it (never heard of waivers?).  That's socialism.  If you can't see that, you are just stupid.

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Scoialism to you is anything you don't like.  It's your personal definition without any real regard for history or philosophy.

No the government does not control those things.  Private companies are still in place.  Making up facts for made up theories must make you happy. But it has little meaning for the rest of us.

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Rube, you are my special project.  Dn't worry, I will educate you on this.

 

Oxford dictionary:

noun

[mass noun]

• a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
• policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

Obama care fits that definition to a "T".

So, having settled that, let's continue:  if Obamacare is not actually socialised medicine, then why do we need it?  What does it actually accomplish?

If government mandates that birth control needs to be covered by all health care plans, without deductible, who actually enforced that?  Sounds like government to me.  Sounds like the definiiton of socialism above. That is control over the means of production.

Part of Obamacare is to set rates.  That means government controls what people get paid.  That's not socialism?

Don't worry, Rube.  We will work through this until you understand.

 For the last two months Romney and Ryan said "this election is a chance for the American people to decide between 2 fundamentally different paths for America".  Apparently that only applied if the American people chose their path.

It is the height of being a sore loser to say that the American people didn't just choose Obama's vision for this country.  The GOP ticket framed this election, repeatedly, as a choice for the American people between what they call "wealth redistribution" or for tax cuts for "Job Creators".  The people spoke and chose "wealth redistribtion".  Sorry you don't like the result!!

To quote Jules Winfield.... "If my answers frighten you, you should cease asking scary questions."

In response to massmoderateJoe's comment:

I'll give you the center finger for this highly generalized post.

Nobody asked you to judge this beauty contest, so stay on point.

 

In response to MattyScornD's comment:

Actually, it was on point because one's opinion on where Obama should be viewed politically has to do where an individual sees themself.

My generalized post of ones online persona is based on a couple of thousands of posts over a four year period.