Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

    Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one
    Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one
    Don't like abortions? Don't get one
    Don't like sex? Don't do it
    Don't like drugs? Don't do them
    Don't like porn? Don't watch it
    Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it
    Don't like guns? Don't buy one
    Don't like your rights taken away?
    Then don't take away someone else's


     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

    Like all those things?
    Pay for them yourself.
     
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    Like all those things? Pay for them yourself.
    Posted by BetheKoolaid



    Which of these things is Obama proposing to pay for?
     
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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : If you have insurance, you already are. The mandate is about people who forced YOU to pay for THEIR healthcare by waiting until they were sick, and/or would show up at the ER without insurance and without being able to cover the bill. Funny how the mandate was a conservative idea until it wasn't.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    I still don't understand the problem with making people purchase health insurance.  I find it comes in handy when I need to go to the hospital.
     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

    In Response to Don't Like something? Then don't do it...:
    Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one Don't like abortions? Don't get one Don't like sex? Don't do it Don't like drugs? Don't do them Don't like porn? Don't watch it Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it Don't like guns? Don't buy one Don't like your rights taken away? Then don't take away someone else's
    Posted by WhichOnesPink


    How simplistic. 

    simplistic  (sɪmˈplɪstɪk) 
     
    — adj
    1.characterized by extreme simplicity; naive
    2.oversimplifying complex problems; making unrealistically simple 
    judgments or analyses

     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : I still don't understand the problem with making people purchase health insurance.  I find it comes in handy when I need to go to the hospital.
    Posted by UserName99


    I would imagine the people who view it as a problem feel so maybe because they can't afford it and know full well they can't be denied treatment if they go to ER. They'd rather leech off the system.
    Then there are those who feel it's a freedom thingy.

    I personally am ok with a mandate, but mainly due to pre-x being gone. I don't want people gaming the system by only purchasing health ins when they get sick. Either you be all in or all out. Jumping in and out will only drive up premiums that much more.
     
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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...:
    In Response to Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : How simplistic.  simplistic     (sɪmˈplɪstɪk)     —  adj 1. characterized   by   extreme   simplicity;   naive 2. oversimplifying   complex   problems;   making   unrealistically   simple  judgments   or   analyses
    Posted by BilltheKat


    And yet you seem to have failed at grasping the point.
     
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    And if you like some of those things then too bad. The wingnuts will label you a 'cancer' and deny you the right to live your own life. First ya gotta have a right to do something before you can make the decision to not do it.
    Posted by airborne-rgr


    Don't look now but you're the only one talking about labeling in this thread...oopsie!

    Seems to me we can do everything on the list currently, except for one (at federal level anyway). We need to fix the gay marriage issue...in case you're too dense...fix as in allow it.


     
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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : So the wingnuts are in favor of abortion? Who knew? Ya better let them know before they print up the posters for their convention. Wingnuts are in favor of legalizing drugs? Again, ya better let 'em know quick. And that gay marriage thing must be new to the wingnuts also. Of course ya can't have a marriage without sex so that'll need to be whited out. And porn is one that we just know there's a big gap between the wingnuts stated position and their rhetoric.
    Posted by airborne-rgr


    Um...again why do you talk in the plural? My original post was how I feel. I don't speak for anyone but me. See how that works?
    It's amazing how you can't help yourself when it comes to sweeping generalizations.
    Also, it's not about whether something is legal or not. The point of my post is if you donn't want to do those things then don't. Why do people have to push their agenda on everyone else.
    I'm pro-choice
    I'm for legalizing pot
    I'm for gay marriage
    I'm for all of the things on the list if one chooses to do them.
    Again, as for others views on this? I don't know nor do I care...as I stated before I speak for no one but myself. 
    You seem to want to argue about something that ain't there.
     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : If you have insurance, you already are. The mandate is about people who forced YOU to pay for THEIR healthcare by waiting until they were sick, and/or would show up at the ER without insurance and without being able to cover the bill. Funny how the mandate was a conservative idea until it wasn't.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    If it was only that simple!
    HCR says we will force you to buy insurance and/or go on a govt program. Who pays for the govt program?

    Then those hiding from the law will still use emergency rooms.

    The insurance companies have already started running up premiums to offset the additional cost of having to insure people that can't afford it.

    All HCR does financially is add cost and shift responsibility.

    It also drives doctors out of certain high risk practices because they can't afford malpractice insurance.

    Go to the DMV if you think the govt is efficient!!!
     
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    HCR says we will force you to buy insurance and/or go on a govt program. Who pays for the govt program?


    Whether we pay for it through a govt program or pay for it currently through UCC we pay for it no matter what

    The insurance companies have already started running up premiums to offset the additional cost of having to insure people that can't afford it.


    In what sense? Meaning do you know what component they are putting this extra premium under?
    Not sure if you know how underwriting works but an underwriter can't just artificially inflate premiums. There are claim costs (specific to the employer group), admin costs, a breakdown of which is share with the groups, there is the base ARM, which gets filed with the DOI, which means if they see a big increase they will want the data behind the ARM. Point being can't put it there. There is the ACS, but when claims experience is used this doesn't have much of an affect...plus groups know their ACS.
    I realize the insurance companies are the big bad wolf, but they can't artificially bump up premiums in anticipation of those who can't afford it. Pretty sure the DOI and attorney general would have something to say about that

     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : I still don't understand the problem with making people purchase health insurance.  I find it comes in handy when I need to go to the hospital.
    Posted by UserName99


    The problem lies in the word "making." No one is disputing that insurance is a good thing, what we are disputing is the right of the government to force us to purchase it.

    Let me give you a different scenario. Some people think that it's a really good idea to pray every day in school. If we go along with your reasoning (and the precedent that this president is setting) then it would certainly be possible that some future "wingnut" president might want to force all school children to pray once a day in school. Since we're already completely ignoring the constitution, what's to stop him?

    That is the problem.


     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : Hold on. That one stopped me dead in my tracks. How does OBAMACARE do this? The failure to turn it into a big tort reform billl does NOT mean Obamacare is driving any doctors out of practice. Moreoever, a lot more noise is made about tort reform than is sensible given its relatively low impact on premiums, regardless of what you hear. Now, I don't like bullsh8t, so I'm happy to get behind sensible tort reform. The problem is that most solutions involve the notion of damage caps. I am against that. Judges have the power to reduce absurd damages. Damage caps only screw the most hurt plaintiffs, in order to reach the appearance of a 'solution.' If your kid is horribly injured by medmal, and is going to need care throughout the rest of his life, you probably aren't going to be happy if all you can get is $1mil in lifetime expenses and $250,000 for an entire life of suffering. What might work? Raise teh standard of proof. Right now, plaintiff only has to convince that defendant is guilty by a "preponderance of the evidence". Which means that it has to be just 0.5% more likely than a cointoss. Literally, that if you put a little dried glue on one side of a quarter, your most rational expectation is that it would make the other side land facing up 505 times out of 1000, instead of 500 even. We could go with "clear and convincing" as a standard. I can't tell you exactly what that means. No one can because it's just words. But what it does necessarily mean over the run of cases is "harder to win, by a good bit, than preponderance." That would skew the decision to sue (there are filing fees, expenses the client covers, etc) at the outset, along with obvious implications for settlement/trial decisions.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    Most illegals will still use the ER, as well as people who live on the move and don't work or care what the govt says they have to do. they have no bank account, no current address and no tax receipts etc. How will the govt "provide" them insurance or make them pay for their own?

    Don't think this is small numbers just because it is in your neighborhood! Millions will fall into these catagories!

    If, corporation is not exempt by 2014 then small business and those who couldn't buy er uhm be granted an exemption will have to pay an unfair share since the pool participating will be much smaller and cost will still need to be offset or the debt will just go against our grandkids debt along with everything else!



     
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    Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it...

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    In Response to Re: Don't Like something? Then don't do it... : Making good on Governor Deval Patrick’s promise to reject health insurance rate increases deemed excessive, the state Division of Insurance yesterday denied 235 of 274 increases proposed by insurers for plans covering individuals and small businesses. http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2010/04/02/state_rejects_health_insurance_rate_hikes/
    Posted by airborne-rgr


    Confirms exactly what I said about DOI looking at insurers rates. Thanks!
     
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