Re: Dumbest Progressive Ever
posted at 8/30/2013 11:26 AM EDT
In response to DamainAllen's comment:
In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:
[QUOTE]So no actual teacher for those courses? No classroom discussions? No real testing since one just has to look through notes/books for answers? Eh
Some courses may not require extensive classroom instruction, especially since lectures can be delivered via the internet. There is no substantial difference in hearing a lecture via your computer and being there in person, techology exists that allow for interactive discussions, we use it all the time in the business world. And remote classrooms have testing and it can be done via secure channels online. I am not suggesting this for every course, but there are easy classes and general requirements that could certainly be done this way without much issue. The issues you raise are not actual problems, programs exist that do what I have described already. I have seen these methods employed at Suffolk for graduate level classes, at Harvard, MIT, and scores of other schools.
[QUOTE]State schools already do this. If you're referring to places like say Harvard, that they should accept more credits from say Mass Bay Community college? Not quite equivalent[/QUOTE]
Yes many schools do, but the standards vary and often times students get the run around when trying to transfer credits or find certain coursework won't be accepted. If there were basic standards in place to address the transfer issue then the coursework a student takes could transfer nearly anywhere, but that isn't the case now, not by a long shot and in the end the student suffers. I am not suggesting this be a universal requirement, and certainly private colleges may be have higher standards but then again, most kids going to community college aren't going to transfer to Harvard, so its not an issue of significance. But for state schools, where most college kids are enrolled, uniform standards with respect to community college courses and their acceptability could save families 10's of thousands of dollars.
[QUOTE]Not sure what you're talking about...there are tons of courses offered during summer. I took advantage of this while I was in college. [/QUOTE]
There are, and what I am suggesting is pushing the availability so that students can opt in for more of those courses at a fraction of the cost. Most of the summer coursework at schools represents a sliver of the regular year offerings and so for kids looking to get rid of electives its great, but maybe not so much for a kid trying to knock out some major requirements. Again, these are just suggestions for cutting costs and as someone who took advantage of summer classes while an undergrad there is tremendous value there, I would have taken more in the summer if more courses were offered.
[QUOTE]Never heard of schools that require students who happen to live near the school to live on campus. Let's see...I have friends who commuted to BC, Bentley, BU, and Tufts. None of them were required to live on campus. How "rampant" is this requirement?[/QUOTE]
I went to Tufts, and it was a requirement that non commuter Freshman live on campus, and only freshmen were certain to get housing. Many schools have this requirement, and it makes sense in terms of integrating new students into the school, but unless a student classifies themself as a "commuter student" often times they will have to live on campus for a year or two. If that has changed radically since I graduated in 2000 then thats great, its a trend that should continue because often times the cost of living on campus, with a meal plan is wildly out of whack with what a person could pay to rent an an apartment and their own food. Local students shouldn't be the only ones to benefit from not having to live on campus.
Look, if your intent to pick apart what I am saying for the sake of argument, then have it at. I am not claiming any of the above is a cure all, and certainly many schools have embraced online classes, have extensive summer offerings, and are working on ways to make the experience more cost effective for students. The problem is there are thousands of universities and the issues I described are widespread so for every school that is ahead of the curve there are 10 more that are not.
I went to Tufts, and it was a requirement that non commuter Freshman live on campus
Ah but wait...you said schools shouldn't make 1st and 2nd year students live on campus so they can COMMUTE to school to avoid room fees. You're now talking about something different. Non commuters are people who come from out of state or say from western MA, for example, and therefore would HAVE to live at a school like Tufts. So these students are paying for housing and food one way or the other...either through the school or a landlord.
Funny how you're getting pi55y at me "picking apart" your posts. Isn't that what 99.99% of people do on BDC and any other venue with debate? You propose something and if I see holes in it I talk about it. That's what debate is.