Eight Ways Privatization Has Failed America

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    Eight Ways Privatization Has Failed America

    Some of America's leading news analysts are beginning to recognize the fallacy of the "free market." Said Ted Koppel, "We are privatizing ourselves into one disaster after another." Fareed Zakaria admitted, "I am a big fan of the free market...But precisely because it is so powerful, in places where it doesn't work well, it can cause huge distortions." They're right. A little analysis reveals that privatization doesn't seem to work in any of the areas vital to the American public.

    Health Care

    Our private health care system is by far the most expensive system in the developed world. Forty-two percent of sick Americans skipped doctor's visits and/or medication purchases in 2011 because of excessive costs. The price of common surgeries is anywhere from three to ten times higher in the U.S. than in Great Britain, Canada, France, or Germany. Some of the documented tales: a $15,000 charge for lab tests for which a Medicare patient would have paid a few hundred dollars; an $8,000 special stress test for which Medicare would have paid $554; and a $60,000 gall bladder operation, which was covered for $2,000 under a private policy.

    As the examples begin to make clear, Medicare is more cost-effective. According to the Council for Affordable Health Insurance, Medicare administrative costs are about one-third that of private health insurance. More importantly, our ageing population has been staying healthy. While as a nation we have a shorter life expectancy than almost all other developed countries, Americans covered by Medicare INCREASED their life expectancy by 3.5 years from the 1960s to the turn of the century.

    Free-market health care has been taking care of the CEOs. Ronald DePinho, president of MD Anderson Cancer Center in Texas, made $1,845,000 in 2012. That's over ten times as much as the $170,000 made by the federal Medicare Administrator in 2010. Stephen J. Hemsley, the CEO of United Health Group, made three hundred times as much, with most of his $48 million coming from stock gains.

    Water

    A Citigroup economist gushed, "Water as an asset class will, in my view, become eventually the single most important physical-commodity based asset class, dwarfing oil, copper, agricultural commodities and precious metals."

    A 2009 analysis of water and sewer utilities by Food and Water Watch found that private companies charge up to 80 percent more for water and 100 percent more for sewer services. A more recent study confirms that privatization will generally "increase the long-term costs borne by the public." Privatization is "shortsighted, irresponsible and costly."

    Numerous examples of water privatization abuses or failures have been documented in California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Texas, Massachusetts, Rhode Island -- just about anywhere it's been tried. Meanwhile, corporations have been making outrageous profits on a commodity that should be almost free. Nestle buys water for about 1/100 of a penny per gallon, and sells it back for ten dollars. Their bottled water is not much different from tap water.

    Worse yet, corporations profit from the very water they pollute. Dioxin-dumping Dow Chemicals is investing in water purification. Monsanto has been accused of privatizing its own pollution sites in order to sell filtered water back to the public.

    Internet, TV, and Phone

    It seems the whole world is leaving us behind on the Internet. According to the OECD, South Korea has Internet speeds up to 200 times faster than the average speed in the U.S., at about half the cost. Customers are charged about $30 a month in Hong Kong or Korea or parts of Europe for much faster service than in the U.S., while triple-play packages in other countries go for about half of our Comcast or AT&T charges.

    Bloomberg notes that deregulators in the 1990s anticipated a market-based decline in phone and cable bills, an "invisible hand" that would steer competing companies to lower prices for all of us. Verizon and AT&T and Comcast and Time-Warner haven't let happen.

    Transportation

    As Republicans continue to deride public transportation as 'socialist' and 'Soviet-style,' China surges ahead with a plan to create the world's most advanced high-speed rail transport network. Government-run high-speed rail systems have been successful in numerous other countries, and England and Brazil both lament industry privatization.

    As a warning to wannabe Post Office privatizers, Greyhound and Trailways once provided service to remote locations in America, but deregulation intervened. The bus companies eliminated unprofitable routes, and cutbacks and salary decreases, all in the name of optimal profits, resulted in drivers working up to 100 hours a week -- a fact to consider any time each of us ride the bus.

    With privatization comes automatic rate increases. Chicago surrendered its parking meters for 75 years and almost immediately faced a doubling of parking rates. California's experiments with roadway privatization resulted in cost overruns, public outrage, and a bankruptcy; equally disastrous was the state's foray into electric power privatization. In Pennsylvania, an analysis of school busing by the Keystone Research Center concluded that "Contracting out substantially increases state spending on transportation services."

    Banking

    The industry is bloated with deceit and depravity. Almost all of the big names have taken part. Goldman Sachs designed mortgage packages to lose money for everyone except Goldman. Countrywide and Wells Fargo targeted Blacks and Hispanics for unaffordable subprime loans. HSBC Bank laundered money for Mexican drug cartels. GE Capital skimmed billions of dollars from its customers. Dozens of hedge fund managers have been guilty of insider trading. Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase hid billions of dollars of bonuses and losses and loans from investors. Banks fixed interest rates in the LIBOR scandal. They illegally foreclosed on millions of homeowners in the robo-signing scandal.

    Matt Taibbi explained to us how financial malfeasance led to the bubbles in dot-com stocks and housing and oil prices and commodities that extract trillions of dollars away from society.

    This is all the result of free-market deregulated private business. The best-known public bank, on the other hand, is the Bank of North Dakota, which remains profitable while serving small business and the public at low cost relative to the financial industry.

    Prisons

    One would think it a worthy goal to rehabilitate prisoners and gradually empty the jails. But business is too good. With each prisoner generating up to $40,000 a year in revenue, it has apparently made economic sense to put over two million people behind bars.

    The need to fill privatized prisons has contributed to mass jailings for drug offenses, with African Americans, who make up 13% of the population, accounting for 53.5 percent of all persons who entered prison because of a drug conviction. Yet marijuana usage rates are about the same for Blacks and whites.

    Studies show that private prisons perform poorly in numerous ways: prevention of intra-prison violence, jail conditions, rehabilitation efforts. Investigations in Ohio and New Jersey revealed a familiar pattern of money-saving cutbacks and worsening conditions.

    Education

    The notion that charter schools outperform traditional public schools is not supported by the facts. An updated 2013 Stanford University CREDO study concluded that privatized schools were slightly better in reading and slightly worse in math, with little difference overall. Charter results have shown an improvement since 2009.

    An independent study by Bold Approach found that "reforms deliver few benefits, often harm the students they purport to help, and divert attention from...policies with more promise to weaken the link between poverty and low educational attainment."

    Just as with prisons and hospitals, cost-saving business strategies apply to the privatization of our children's education. Charter school teachers have fewer years of experience and a higher turnover rate. Non-teacher positions have insufficient retirement plans and health insurance, and much lower pay.

    If big money has its way, our children may become high-tech symbols and objects. Bill Gates proposes quality control for the student assembly line, with video footage from the classrooms sent to evaluators to check off teaching skills.

    Consumer Protection

    Warning signs about unregulated privatization are becoming clearer and more deadly. The Texas fertilizer plant, where 14 people were killed in an explosion and fire, was last inspected by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) over 25 years ago. The U.S. Forest Service, stunned by the Prescott, Arizona fire that killed 19, was forced by the sequester to cut 500 firefighters. The rail disaster in Lac-Megantic, Quebec followed deregulation of Canadian railways.

    Regulation is meant to protect all of us, but anti-government activists have worked hard to turn us against our own best interests. Among recommended Republican cuts is the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which rescued hundreds of people after Hurricane Sandy while serving millions more with meals and water. In another ominous note for the future, the House passed the Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011, which would deny the Environmental Protection Agency the right to enforce the Clean Water Act.

    Deregulation not only deprives Americans of protection, but it also endangers us with the persistent threat of corporate misconduct. As late as 2004 Monsanto had insisted that Agent Orange "is not the cause of serious long-term health effects." Dow Chemical, the co-manufacturer of Agent Orange, blamed the government. Halliburton pleaded guilty to destroying evidence after the Gulf of Mexico oil spill in 2010. Cleanups cost much more than the fines imposed on offending companies, as government costs can run into the billions, or even tens of billions, of dollars.

    People vs. Profits

    As summed up by US News, "Private industry is not going to step in and save people from drowning, or help them rebuild their homes without a solid profit." In order to stay afloat as a nation we need each other, not savvy businesspeople who presume to tell us all how to be rich. We can't all be rich. We just want to keep from drowning.

    http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18126-eight-ways-privatization-has-failed-america

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.



    So do you suggest all goods and service be through the govt? 

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     

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    Your post had nothing at all from you. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you just always post others' thoughts???

     
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    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 


    Those countries all have exemplary public transportation systems, targeted civic planning, and drive (and commute) much, much less than we do.  So, ultimately, they pay less to get around day-to-day.

    That said, universal broadband should be a given in this century.  Open up the lines to competitive bidding and let the fur fly, I say....

     

     

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.

     



    So do you suggest all goods and service be through the govt? 

     




    No....probably just the ones on this list, with the exceptions on Banking and the Internet/TV/Phone which should be kept private with heavy regulation. 

    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     

     



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     

     

     

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    Your post had nothing at all from you. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you just always post others' thoughts???

     

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    so are you saying that your gas price listings are your original thought and therefore madeup, or did you get that information from someone else? ... try not to be so emotional, it makes for better conversation, and you might actually learn something.

     
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    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

     

     


    Those countries all have exemplary public transportation systems, targeted civic planning, and drive (and commute) much, much less than we do.  So, ultimately, they pay less to get around day-to-day.

    That was 5 out of total of 49 countries that pay more than we do. Do the other 44 countries have exemplary public transportation system, targeted civiv planning, and drive (and commute much, much less than we do. Of course I have no idea if what you said above is even remotely true of all the countries listed. I'll let it slide this time : )

    That said, universal broadband should be a given in this century.  Open up the lines to competitive bidding and let the fur fly, I say....

    I'm all for that. What do we do to make that happen?

     

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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     

     

     



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     

     

     

     

     

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    Your post had nothing at all from you. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you just always post others' thoughts???

     

     

     

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    so are you saying that your gas price listings are your original thought and therefore madeup,

    No. Of course the gas prices weren't the only thing I posted so there's that.

    or did you get that information from someone else? ... try not to be so emotional, it makes for better conversation, and you might actually learn something.

     

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    Ms Cricket.....Why are you still here and not in N Korea? Will they not let you in? 



    um, who are you, and what does north korea have to do with this thread? ... trying to make my ignore list? Cool

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.

     



    So do you suggest all goods and service be through the govt? 

     

     




    No....probably just the ones on this list, with the exceptions on Banking and the Internet/TV/Phone which should be kept private with heavy regulation. 

     

    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

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    If they make no profit then how do they stay in business? Oh right....more taxes. Got it

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     

     

     

     



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Your post had nothing at all from you. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you just always post others' thoughts???

     

     

     

     

     

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    so are you saying that your gas price listings are your original thought and therefore madeup,

     

    No. Of course the gas prices weren't the only thing I posted so there's that.

    or did you get that information from someone else? ... try not to be so emotional, it makes for better conversation, and you might actually learn something.

     

     

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    ok so i should just ignore you then, gotcha! Cool

     
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    I have to admit...can't stand that it takes an entire second for a web site to load up. I mean really...who has that kind of time to waste???

    Sure, Hong Kong, Korea and parts of Europe have cheaper internet/tv/phone. Of course Hong Kong pays about $8.61/gallon of gas. South Korea, $7.12. Norway, $10.12. Denmark, $8.20. United Kingdom, $7.87. Point being that where we might pay more for some things, other countries pay more for other things. 

    If you think the govt can produce better phone/internet/tv then lobby to make that change.

    Same goes for all the others issues you have. How about doing something about it rather than just whine about it?

     

     

     

     

     



    your post is full of emotion and zero substance. i mean geez, at least provide a link to where you got your info (gas prices that have nothing to do with the articles argument). 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Your post had nothing at all from you. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you just always post others' thoughts???

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    so are you saying that your gas price listings are your original thought and therefore madeup,

     

     

    No. Of course the gas prices weren't the only thing I posted so there's that.

    or did you get that information from someone else? ... try not to be so emotional, it makes for better conversation, and you might actually learn something.

     

     

     

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    ok so i should just ignore you then, gotcha! Cool

     

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    Are you going to hold your breathe and stamp your feet like a 5 yr old too?

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.

     



    So do you suggest all goods and service be through the govt? 

     

     

     




    No....probably just the ones on this list, with the exceptions on Banking and the Internet/TV/Phone which should be kept private with heavy regulation. 

     

     

    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.



    If they make no profit then how do they stay in business? Oh right....more taxes. Got it

     

     



     

    Tax revenue as % of GDP has been in the 15% range the last four years, as opposed to being in the 18 - 20 % range for about 70 straight years before that. 

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

    In other words, taxes are down.

     

     
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    private sector gives us excellence ingenuity and advancement

    public sector gives us institutionalized mediocrity, corruption and waste

    but lets not let the facts and history get in the way of the progressive agenda.....lean forward

     

     
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    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

    Private industries, to make a profit, must succeed with their efforts. There is a specific goal. If they succeed at the goal, they may get more work and make a bigger profit. if they fail, they make no profit.

     Government bureaucracy, by contrast,  has but one goal; not to succeed. Government is very very good at the goal of failure. Bureaucrats fear one thing, and one thing only; solving the problem, because it would limit their power and influence.

     
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    How any sane, rational, logical human being could think that paying people directly is more expensive than paying a middleman to pay people directly -- with the additional cost of mark-up added, plus CEO bonuses, etc -- boggles the mind.

    But then, the insurance industry's been pulling this in the healthcare area for a very long time now, and people don't even seem to notice.

     



    So do you suggest all goods and service be through the govt? 

     

     

     




    No....probably just the ones on this list, with the exceptions on Banking and the Internet/TV/Phone which should be kept private with heavy regulation. 

     

     

    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.



    If they make no profit then how do they stay in business? Oh right....more taxes. Got it

     

     



     

    Tax revenue as % of GDP has been in the 15% range the last four years, as opposed to being in the 18 - 20 % range for about 70 straight years before that. 

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=205

    In other words, taxes are down.

     



    Wow did you ever miss the point. Let me try this again..........................................

    You're saying that the govt should take over several industries because private industries only have 1 goal (which is a lie) of making a profit. So.....if the govt is to take these industries on to run, well....where is the money going to come from? The money tree in your backyard? It will be from higher taxes. 

     
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    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

     

     

    Private industries, to make a profit, must succeed with their efforts. There is a specific goal. If they succeed at the goal, they may get more work and make a bigger profit. if they fail, they make no profit.

     Government bureaucracy, by contrast,  has but one goal; not to succeed. Government is very very good at the goal of failure. Bureaucrats fear one thing, and one thing only; solving the problem, because it would limit their power and influence.

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    yes, we bailed out the banks and paid their CEO's multi million $ bonuses because they were so successfull!!! duhhhhhhhhh

     
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    Sorry ..... is it privatization or pilfering ?

     
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    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Private industries, to make a profit, must succeed with their efforts. There is a specific goal. If they succeed at the goal, they may get more work and make a bigger profit. if they fail, they make no profit.

     Government bureaucracy, by contrast,  has but one goal; not to succeed. Government is very very good at the goal of failure. Bureaucrats fear one thing, and one thing only; solving the problem, because it would limit their power and influence.

     

     

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    yes, we bailed out the banks and paid their CEO's multi million $ bonuses because they were so successfull!!! duhhhhhhhhh

     

     

     

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    Which was done by our govt. The govt you want in charge of goods and services in this country. Right...let's give more power to the entity that thought it a great idea to give multi million bonuses to the very people who fcuked things up.....weeeeeeeeeeeeee

     

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    "our" government is controlled by these same private corporations and banking cartels that you are championing. or do you not realize that? i'm not cheering on a government entity, i'm in favor of taking power away from private rackateers who fund every government official and restoring a government that actually represents and caters to it's citizens. 

     
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    Private industries have but 1 goal:  make a profit, then make a bigger one the next year.  That philosopy has no place in a hospital, or prison, or public school.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Private industries, to make a profit, must succeed with their efforts. There is a specific goal. If they succeed at the goal, they may get more work and make a bigger profit. if they fail, they make no profit.

     Government bureaucracy, by contrast,  has but one goal; not to succeed. Government is very very good at the goal of failure. Bureaucrats fear one thing, and one thing only; solving the problem, because it would limit their power and influence.

     

     

     

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    yes, we bailed out the banks and paid their CEO's multi million $ bonuses because they were so successfull!!! duhhhhhhhhh

     

     

     

     

     

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    Which was done by our govt. The govt you want in charge of goods and services in this country. Right...let's give more power to the entity that thought it a great idea to give multi million bonuses to the very people who fcuked things up.....weeeeeeeeeeeeee

     

     

     

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    "our" government is controlled by these same private corporations and banking cartels that you are championing. or do you not realize that? i'm not cheering on a government entity, i'm in favor of taking power away from private rackateers who fund every government official and restoring a government that actually represents and caters to it's citizens. 

     

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    You're kidding right? So you blame the banks instead of the people who write and vote on the legislation. It's the banks fault the govt allowed for them to get huge bonuses as a result of the bailout. Right. You're quite the apologist for the govt.

     

     

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