Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

    Additional scrutiny of conservative organizations’ activities by the IRS did not solely originate in the agency’s Cincinnati office, with requests for information coming from other offices and often bearing the signatures of higher-ups at the agency, according to attorneys representing some of the targeted groups. At least one letter requesting information about one of the groups bears the signature of Lois Lerner, the suspended director of the IRS Exempt Organizations department in Washington.

    “We've dealt with 15 agents, including tax law specialists -- that's lawyers -- from four different offices, including (the) Treasury (Department) in Washington, D.C.,” Sekulow said. “So the idea that this is a couple of rogue agents in Cincinnati is not correct.”

    But attorneys for some of the targeted groups’ provided documentation and two IRS employees in the Cincinnati office made statements to NBC News that call into question parts of the official explanation Americans have heard from the IRS so far.

    Sekulow, who worked with the office of the chief counsel of the IRS in the early 1980s as a trial lawyer representing the IRS on tax-exempt cases, said the number of groups he’s heard from, and the scope of the requests for information the IRS sent them, persuaded him “that this was not something that was just created at an agent level, that this was certainly higher up.”

    After reviewing all the IRS communications his clients received, Sekulow said he believes the IRS was engaged in a coordinated and deliberate attempt to silence, or at least stifle conservative organizations, he told NBC News.

    Sekulow also said the practices continued well after May 2012, when the IRS has claimed they had stopped. Sekulow said 10 of the organizations he represents still have not received determinations from the IRS on their applications for tax-exempt status as 501 C (1)(4) organizations. He provided NBC News with a letter the IRS sent to one of his clients on May 6 requesting more information.

     

    http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/28/18563008-irs-higher-ups-requested-info-on-conservative-groups-letters-show?lite

     
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    This could be a major setback for ACA as the enforcement agency is on the ropes before the start of the next battle.

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    This could be a major setback for ACA as the enforcement agency is on the ropes before the start of the next battle.

     




    There is no "next battle".

     

    Just because the HoR nitwits like to tilt at windmills and prove Einstein's definition of insanity correct, it doesn't change reality.

    It's settled, ACA is the law of the land. Get used to it.

     



    A lot of Dems are now running from ACA along with 54% of American's, so maybe you should get used to those facts.  Unless you're playing Dorothy wishing it was all OK.

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    This could be a major setback for ACA as the enforcement agency is on the ropes before the start of the next battle.

     




    There is no "next battle".

     

    Just because the HoR nitwits like to tilt at windmills and prove Einstein's definition of insanity correct, it doesn't change reality.

    It's settled, ACA is the law of the land. Get used to it.

     

     



    A lot of Dems are now running from ACA along with 54% of American's, so maybe you should get used to those facts.  Unless you're playing Dorothy wishing it was all OK.

     

     




    It doesn't matter what I think, it's the law and has been ajudicated as such by the Supreme Court!

     

    You're the one in OZ if you think that the popularity of the law is grounds to ignore it.

    The civil rights laws were unpopular in large swarths of the south but the were still the law.

    Now click your slippers together and everything will be alright.



    There are a lot of laws that aren't funded.

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    Are they accidentally obstructing themselves now?

    They've never met an obstruction they didn't like, even if it's against themselves. 

    Democrats watch in awe as McConnell filibusters himself.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) introduced legislation to raise the debt ceiling on Thursday, apparently with the intent of showing that even Democrats would not support such a bill.

    However, McConnell’s plan backfired after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) called for a vote on the legislation, which would have given the president the authority to raise the federal debt ceiling on his own. The top Senate Republican was forced to filibuster his own bill.

     

     

    The Obama administration walks a fine line between defending the president's signature legislative achievement and not angering a powerful constituency as it looks ahead to the 2014 elections.

    Are Unions obstructionist too?

    When President Obama pushed his health care overhaul plan through Congress, he counted labor unions among his strongest supporters.

    But some unions leaders have grown frustrated and angry about what they say are unexpected consequences of the new law -- problems that they say could jeopardize the health benefits offered to millions of their members.

    The issue could create a political headache next year for Democrats facing re-election if disgruntled union members believe the Obama administration and Congress aren't working to fix the problem.

     

    It makes an untruth out of what the president said, that if you like your insurance, you could keep it," said Joe Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union. "That is not going to be true for millions of workers now."

     

    The problem lies in the unique multiemployer health plans that cover unionized workers in retail, construction, transportation and other industries with seasonal or temporary employment. Known as Taft-Hartley plans, they are jointly administered by unions and smaller employers that pool resources to offer more than 20 million workers and family members continuous coverage, even during times of unemployment.

     

    The union plans were already more costly to run than traditional single-employer health plans. The Affordable Care Act has added to that cost -- for the unions' and other plans -- by requiring health plans to cover dependents up to age 26, eliminate annual or lifetime coverage limits and extend coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

    "We're concerned that employers will be increasingly tempted to drop coverage through our plans and let our members fend for themselves on the health exchanges," said David Treanor, director of health care initiatives at the Operating Engineers union.

    Workers seeking coverage in the state-based marketplaces, known as exchanges, can qualify for subsidies, determined by a sliding scale based on income. By contrast, the new law does not allow workers in the union plans to receive similar subsidies.

    Labor unions have been among the president's closest allies, spending millions of dollars to help him win re-election and help Democrats keep their majority in the Senate. The wrangling over health care comes as unions have continued to see steady declines in membership and attacks on public employee unions in state legislatures around the country. The Obama administration walks a fine line between defending the president's signature legislative achievement and not angering a powerful constituency as it looks ahead to the 2014 elections.

     

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57586030/now-some-unions-upset-over-obamacare/

     
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    That's true but since it's been funded since it's inception it would be political suicide to defund it now



    It may be political suicide for dems to not work against it!

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

    Oh it goes higher up ... all the way to Pennsylvania Ave.

     
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    I wish the Grandstanding Only Party would use this type of effort and work together with the Democrats to produce a Jobs Bill ......

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

    angry and the other cows keep saying the right is on a witch hunt and after obama..........the truth is the IRS admitted targeting conservatives or this would never have come up! Republicans did not accuse them of it; they ADMITTED it.

    Then dems shielded and stated it was isolated to cincinnati which we know now was untrue.

    Then dems shielded and said that is was a few rogue employees which we know now as untrue.

    The investigation is working; it will stop when the whole truth is known which obviously we are not at that point yet.

     

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    Seems Congress shouldn't investigate this until both houses are owned by the dems.

    Let them investigate.

    The problem is that you won't accept the findings unless it aligns with your prejudices.

     



    It just keeps unfolding.

    IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman’s extensive access to the White House first came to light during his testimony last week before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Shulman gave assorted answers when asked why he had visited the White House 118 times during the period that the IRS was targeting tea party and conservative nonprofits for extra scrutiny and delays on their tax-exempt applications.

    By contrast, Shulman’s predecessor Mark Everson only visited the White House once during four years of service in the George W. Bush administration and compared the IRS’s remoteness from the president to “Siberia.” But the scope of Shulman’s White House visits — which strongly suggests coordination by White House officials in the campaign against the president’s political opponents — is even more striking in comparison to the publicly recorded access of cabinet members.

    An analysis by The Daily Caller of the White House’s public “visitor access records” showed that every current and former member of President Obama’s Cabinet would have had to rack up at least 60 more public visits to the president’s home to catch up with “Douglas Shulman.”


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/29/irss-shulman-had-more-public-white-house-visits-than-any-cabinet-member/#ixzz2UmK8iIL9

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

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    Seems Congress shouldn't investigate this until both houses are owned by the dems.

    Let them investigate.

    The problem is that you won't accept the findings unless it aligns with your prejudices.

     



    It just keeps unfolding.

     

    IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman’s extensive access to the White House first came to light during his testimony last week before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Shulman gave assorted answers when asked why he had visited the White House 118 times during the period that the IRS was targeting tea party and conservative nonprofits for extra scrutiny and delays on their tax-exempt applications.

    By contrast, Shulman’s predecessor Mark Everson only visited the White House once during four years of service in the George W. Bush administration and compared the IRS’s remoteness from the president to “Siberia.” But the scope of Shulman’s White House visits — which strongly suggests coordination by White House officials in the campaign against the president’s political opponents — is even more striking in comparison to the publicly recorded access of cabinet members.

    An analysis by The Daily Caller of the White House’s public “visitor access records” showed that every current and former member of President Obama’s Cabinet would have had to rack up at least 60 more public visits to the president’s home to catch up with “Douglas Shulman.”


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/29/irss-shulman-had-more-public-white-house-visits-than-any-cabinet-member/#ixzz2UmK8iIL9



    Coincidence; I think not.

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

    No one truly belives THIS is nothing and just a coincidence. There may be some who try to but,  no one can honestly swallow this as coincidence.

     
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    Re: Emails show IRS scandal did NOT originate solely in Cincinnati. Higher ups requested info on conservative groups.

    no one can honestly swallow this as coincidence.

    I'm pretty sure that A_C_C swallows.

     

    (sorry, coudn't resist!)

     

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