Employment Nondiscrimination Act

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    Employment Nondiscrimination Act

    Bill on Workplace Bias Appears Set to Clear Senate Hurdle

     

    WASHINGTON — A measure that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to federal nondiscrimination law has gained its 60th supporter in the Senate, giving it what appears to be a filibuster-proof majority as a key vote looms.

    Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, announced Monday that he would vote yes on the bill, known as the Employment Nondiscrimination Act, saying that after conversations with voters at home and colleagues in the Senate, he had come to the determination that “supporting this legislation is the right thing to do.”

    The Senate is expected to hold a vote Monday or Tuesday to open debate on the bill, marking the first time since 1996 that a measure granting workplace legal protection to gay men and lesbians has come before the full Senate. It will be the first time that the full Senate has considered a measure that includes protection for transgender people.

    Since all 55 members of the Democratic majority had said they would vote for the bill, along with four Republicans who had also expressed support, gay rights advocates and sponsors in the Senate had been waiting for one more Republican to give them the 60th vote they would need to open debate.

    Because of opposition in the Republican-controlled House, passage there seems unlikely. Speaker John A. Boehner reiterated his objections to the bill on Monday, releasing a statement that said he believed it would invite too many lawsuits.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us/politics/bill-on-workplace-bias-appears-set-to-clear-senate-hurdle.html?hp

     

    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

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    Sadly, in 2013 it is still legal to discriminate against homosexuals in employment in many states. Unless it is made illegal to do so, many will be discriminated against. There are few things as fundamental as one's need to earn a living, and one's sexual orientation. When that orientation can lead to loss of employment or failure to obtain employment, then it is necessary to pass legislation to prevent that from happening.

    Will Boehner at least have the balls to bring it to a vote?

     
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    Bipartisan support in the Senate led to passage of ENDA last night.

    Will Boehner invoke the Hastert rule again and refuse to protect LGBT workers by not bringing the bill to the House floor for an up-down vote...?

    Will the GOP rank-and-file finally get the message that belittling and demonizing LGBT americans is a losing strategy...?  (See: Cuccinelli in Virginia)

    On the day after a prominent candidate for governor in Maine comes out to the public, one can only hope....

     

     

     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

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    Quite the cross-section of the american populace....

     

     

     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

     

    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     




     
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    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...



    Because he said "laws on the books"? Go on, keep lying for a reaction. We'd be shocked if you did anything else.

     
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    Because he said "laws on the books"? Go on, keep lying for a reaction. We'd be shocked if you did anything else.



    "we" who is there with you?

     
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    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     



    Because he said "laws on the books"? Go on, keep lying for a reaction. We'd be shocked if you did anything else.

     



     
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    Similar to the contraception issue from the other thread, the bill that passed the Senate has a massive religious exemption for religious affiliated hospitals and universitites which would allow them to continue their discrimination toward anyone working there.

    Boehner will ensure this law goes nowhere and we maintain the current institutionalized hatred in those 29 states.  At least they are consistent.....always on the wrong side of history.

    And isn't it hypocritical for religious institutions to insist on their right to fire gays because they are "sinners." and then  also piously claim that "we are all sinners," but yet somehow they continue to hire the rest of us?

     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

     

    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     






    Right.  Agreed it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age to have to ban discrimination.  But unfortunately, it is.

     

    (Some people never saw 'Philadelphia', I guess. Great flick. Great soundtrack, too.)

     

     

     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

     

    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     






    Right.  Agreed it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age to have to ban discrimination.  But unfortunately, it is.

     

    (Some people never saw 'Philadelphia', I guess. Great flick. Great soundtrack, too.)

     

     



    You talking about the movie from 1993? It was a good movie that I saw 20 years ago. Couple good songs from soundtrack too.

     
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    And isn't it hypocritical for religious institutions to insist on their right to fire gays because they are "sinners." and then  also piously claim that "we are all sinners," but yet somehow they continue to hire the rest of us?



    More cognitive dissonance from the faithful.  I can only hope that each situation is taken on its own merits...even by "religious" orgs...

    ...which is one reason why ENDA is important to emphasizing the worker's performance and not their sexual orientation.

     

     

     
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    Sorry dipsh!t, but all "you can be fired for" means is that there aren't laws prohibiting firing on that basis. It doesn't mean there are laws on the books specifically stating that you can be fired on that basis.

     

     

     

    Take your ball and go home. Please.

     
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    Sorry dipsh!t, but all "you can be fired" means is that there aren't laws prohibiting firing on that basis. It doesn't mean there are laws on the books specifically stating that you can be fired on that basis.

     

     

     

    Take your ball and go home. Please.



     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

     

    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     






    Right.  Agreed it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age to have to ban discrimination.  But unfortunately, it is.

     

    (Some people never saw 'Philadelphia', I guess. Great flick. Great soundtrack, too.)

     

     



    You talking about the movie from 1993? It was a good movie that I saw 20 years ago. Couple good songs from soundtrack too.



    Yes.  Same issue (coupled with AIDS).  Tackled compellingly in dramatic form.  (The Neil Young tune is a heart-shredder, IMO.)

    20 Years Ago.

    ENDA has been floating around Congress for almost as long.

     

     
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    Thought this was already the law of the land.  So pass it and lets move along.

     
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    29 States where you can be fired for being gay:

    Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming

     

    Wait...so these states have laws on the books that state a person can be fired due to being gay? Wow....who knew...

     






    Right.  Agreed it shouldn't be necessary in this day and age to have to ban discrimination.  But unfortunately, it is.

     

    (Some people never saw 'Philadelphia', I guess. Great flick. Great soundtrack, too.)

     

     



    You talking about the movie from 1993? It was a good movie that I saw 20 years ago. Couple good songs from soundtrack too.



    Yes.  Same issue (coupled with AIDS).  Tackled compellingly in dramatic form.  (The Neil Young tune is a heart-shredder, IMO.)

    20 Years Ago.

    ENDA has been floating around Congress for almost as long.

     



    Liked Neil Young's song as well as the Boss's tune

     
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    Similar to the contraception issue from the other thread, the bill that passed the Senate has a massive religious exemption for religious affiliated hospitals and universitites which would allow them to continue their discrimination toward anyone working there.

    Boehner will ensure this law goes nowhere and we maintain the current institutionalized hatred in those 29 states.  At least they are consistent.....always on the wrong side of history.

    And isn't it hypocritical for religious institutions to insist on their right to fire gays because they are "sinners." and then  also piously claim that "we are all sinners," but yet somehow they continue to hire the rest of us?

    ENDA includes a critical provision that safeguards religious organizations’ constitutional rights and religious freedoms. Specifically, Section 6 of ENDA provides religious organizations, which are broadly defined, with a substantial exemption that allows them to continue to take sexual orientation and gender identity into account when making employment decisions.   .....but obviously you want to take away these religious freedoms, and have no tolerance for those who have a different view....no one is more intolerant than self proclaimed tolerant progressives...   



     
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    ENDA includes a critical provision that safeguards religious organizations’ constitutional rights and religious freedoms. Specifically, Section 6 of ENDA provides religious organizations, which are broadly defined, with a substantial exemption that allows them to continue to take sexual orientation and gender identity into account when making employment decisions.   .....but obviously you want to take away these religious freedom



    Would you defend them if they claimed their religious scruples prevent them from hiring black people?

     

     

     
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    ENDA includes a critical provision that safeguards religious organizations’ constitutional rights and religious freedoms. Specifically, Section 6 of ENDA provides religious organizations, which are broadly defined, with a substantial exemption that allows them to continue to take sexual orientation and gender identity into account when making employment decisions.   .....but obviously you want to take away these religious freedom



    Would you defend them if they claimed their religious scruples prevent them from hiring black people?

     

     



    Slavery is OK according to the bible.  Maybe a religious exemption to the 14th amendment?

     
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    ENDA has been around almost as long as the other "inevitable" piece of statist feel-good -and give-the-Government-more- power-to favor-special groups,  "Equal Rights Amendment."

    The ERA and ENDA are not about being "equal", but are about being given special treatment.
    And the real beneficiaries of these provisions are the Democrat's favorites: trial lawyers, chomping at the bit to file thousands more frivolous claims against private businesses.

    Like much progressive legislation, it may have the opposite effect desired. Making it less likely a business will hire a transgender person.

    A tolerant private business which hires a transgender person, is putting itself at risk for a federal lawsuit, have no doubt. Any employment decision regarding a transgender person will be scrutinized severely.

    An intolerant private business which silently but deliberately doesnt hire any transgender persons has little risk of a lawsuit.

     
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      .....but obviously you want to take away these religious freedoms, and have no tolerance for those who have a different view....no one is more intolerant than self proclaimed tolerant progressives...   


    A different view is one thing.  Nobody is forcing the employer to be gay.  But what kind of "freedom" is that anyway?  

    People are free to be bigots in this country, but acting on it is another matter when a person's livelihood is at stake.  

    Why should an employer get to impose their religious beliefs on someone just because they happen to work for them?

    If a boss wants me to pray to his god, and I decline respectfully, could that be a fireable offense?

     

     

     
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    ENDA includes a critical provision that safeguards religious organizations’ constitutional rights and religious freedoms. Specifically, Section 6 of ENDA provides religious organizations, which are broadly defined, with a substantial exemption that allows them to continue to take sexual orientation and gender identity into account when making employment decisions.   .....but obviously you want to take away these religious freedom

    Would you defend them if they claimed their religious scruples prevent them from hiring black people?




     

    Seriously though, CLC. Answer please. That wasn't tongue in cheek. It's a question that gets directly to the heart of the matter.

    Being attracted to other men is no more a "choice" than growing dark skin; the former is epigenetic and the latter is genetic. The individual has no choice.

    So really, there would be no difference. Do you think that if an organization claims its religion prevents it from hiring black people, it should be able to so discriminate?

     

     

     
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    ENDA has been around almost as long as the other "inevitable" piece of statist feel-good -and give-the-Government-more- power-to favor-special groups,  "Equal Rights Amendment."

    The ERA and ENDA are not about being "equal", but are about being given special treatment.
    And the real beneficiaries of these provisions are the Democrat's favorites: trial lawyers, chomping at the bit to file thousands more frivolous claims against private businesses.

    Like much progressive legislation, it may have the opposite effect desired. Making it less likely a business will hire a transgender person.

    A tolerant private business which hires a transgender person, is putting itself at risk for a federal lawsuit, have no doubt. Any employment decision regarding a transgender person will be scrutinized severely.

    An intolerant private business which silently but deliberately doesnt hire any transgender persons has little risk of a lawsuit.



    That exacxt argument was used decades ago to try to block legislation outlawing discrimination on the basis of race, gender, age, and disabilities.  So predictable.

     
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