Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden

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    Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden

    The head of the CIA admitted that waterboarding was used and it resulted in the death of Bin Laden.  Seems like proof to me.

    “We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation… clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees,” Panetta told NBC News anchor Brian Williams.



     
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    In Response to Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden:
    [QUOTE]It is amazing the contortions the moonbat Obamaphiles have to go through to justify their delight in the death of bin Laden at the hands of their hero. They celebrate the Navy Seals heroic mission and the gutsy decision by President Obama to go in and get bin Laden. As do I. They celebrate the summary execution of an enemy combatant which was dependent on Gitmo Rendition Coercive or harsh interrogations Iraq War all of which they opposed. This isn't about Bush or Obama. This is about moonbats that can't admit their hypocrisy and won't admit it when they are wrong.
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    Please make your case that the horribly misguided and incredibly expensive (lives and money) Iraq War was directly connected to killing Osama and that it was worth the cost.
     
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    It is amazing the contortions that wacky, unhinged wingnuts will go to in order to justify the waterboarding of the Bush admin.  Way to go from Panetta's comments to jumping to waterboarding was why we got Osama.

    "We had a multiple source-- a multiple series of-- sources that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees but we also had information from other sources as well."

    BRIAN WILLIAMS:

    10:48:36:00 Turned around the other way, are you denying that water boarding was, in part, among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

    LEON PANETTA:

    10:48:48:00 No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether-- whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question.


    And it seems like Panetta is somewhat vague here about the necessity of waterboarding to get intel.  Some detainees underwent enhanced interrogation techniques.  Some intelligence may have come out of that more than a few years ago.  But why didn't Bush catch Osama if waterboarding yielded such a trove of info?

    Only you wacky, unhinged wingnuts (does this equate to far-left moonbats?) think waterboarding led to finding Osama, end of story.  And there's nothing wrong with killing him, nice strawman with your "summary execution".  Btw what did Iraq have to do with Osama?
     
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    Torture saves lives.
     
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    In Response to Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden:
    [QUOTE]Torture saves lives.
    Posted by macnh1[/QUOTE]

    How about thievery makes money?  Like that one?  Rape gives you pleasure?

    Torture demeans us as human beings.  

    Ethics and the rule of law are important to most people.
     
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    Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden

    Well this Globe story tends to give credence to the use of "enhanced techniques".

    Harsh tactics may have aided US raid

    By Farah Stockman

    Globe Staff / May 4, 2011

    WASHINGTON — Hassan Ghul, an Al Qaeda courier arrested in Iraq in 2004, spent two years in a secret CIA prison, where detainees were subjected to interrogation practices such as facial slaps and sleep deprivation.

    Sometime during those two years, Ghul named another important courier, a crucial tip that eventually helped lead to Sunday’s daring raid on Osama bin Laden’s hide-out, according to the Associated Press.

    US officials have acknowledged that clues gleaned from the Bush administration’s controversial network of detention centers, coupled with years of patient intelligence work, netted the terrorist mastermind on Sunday. But they declined to say whether harsh interrogation practices — which President Obama opposes — played a role in their historic intelligence success.

    Former Bush administration officials say the successful raid on bin Laden’s compound provides some vindication for detention and interrogation policies that have been widely criticized by the legal community, human rights advocates, and Obama himself.

    “This would not have been possible if we were releasing terrorists willy-nilly and not interrogating them,’’ Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defense secretary under Bush told reporters Monday.

    Benjamin Wittes, a senior fellow at The Brookings Institution who has authored books about the legal challenges of detaining terrorists, said it is too early tell what role, if any, coercive tactics played. But he said it is clear that interrogating hundreds of detainees over a period of years “developed a mosaic that led to bin Laden.’’

    “There were many people who were far too quick to insist that no good could ever come from coercive interrogation,’’ Wittes said. “Those of us who resisted that proposition were always derided as apologists for torture. But the premise of that conventional wisdom was wrong. Actually important information does emerge from that sort of a program, and maybe even from the portions of that program that we call morally distasteful.’’

    But others say the Bush administration’s techniques created more enemies than they neutralized, and that the debate over those tactics should not be revived.

    “I think people have to be very, very careful about using this operation to justify the plainly illegal conduct that occurred under the Bush administration,’’ said Eugene Fidell, a specialist on military law at Yale Law School. “It is not clear to me that the seminal clue was obtained by means of torture,’’ he said. Even if it was, he added, it would not justify such tactics.

    The Obama administration yesterday sought to downplay the importance of any single interrogation in the hunt for bin Laden.

     
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    In Response to Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Enhanced interrogations at Gitmo led to the death of Bin Laden : I have to say this is the biggest piece of self-delusional fertilizer, even on these boards. The interrogations could have happened anywhere, Gitmo is just some talisman for you morons.  The torture led to FALSE names and info. There was no alQueda in Iraq BEFORE we invaded. By that idiotic logic all we have to do is invade Ireland and we'll catch Whitey. Geeeez, you morons are pathetically stupid.
    Posted by 12-Angry-Men[/QUOTE]

    Are you capable of having a conversation or debate without all the emotion geez your like a prom queen who keeps tearing her dress.
     
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