Epistemic Closure on the Right Takes a Direct Hit

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    Epistemic Closure on the Right Takes a Direct Hit

    Sorry to some of the rightward folks, but some sessions on the couch are in order and, for some, well overdue.

    It's perfectly normal to rationalize AWAY from the problem instead of confronting it, at least at first.  But eventually, you will need to stare down the beliefs which keep setting you up for a result that isn't going to happen.

    In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much.  Maybe a better strategy would have been appealing to peoples' better natures instead of their worse ones. (Maybe not.)

    The good news is that nothing lasts forever.  Sooner or later, the other side will err spectacularly, and you'll get another shot to make your case.  How much you learn between now and then is up to you.

     

     
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    Before the votes were counted O'Reilly was espousing about the vanishing "White Traditional America" and saying 50% of America AKA people who voted for Obama simply "want things".  So it doesn't seem the voices of the Right are looking to change their narrative of fear and divisiveness.

    It doesn't take a degree in Political Science to see the writing on the wall for the future of the 2 parties.  The GOP is older the Dems are younger.  The GOP continues to alienate itself from growing groups, Latino, LGBT, etc... and those groups go strong for Dems.  If those trajectory's continue, the GOP will continue to lose Presidential races and Senate seats.

    In 2016 the Democratic Candidate, maybe Hillary, will have Bill and Barack on the campaign trail stumping for them.  That matters.  Too bad for the GOP they don't have any living former Presidents they want to remind the electorate about.

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.

     
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    In response to jmel's comment:

    "The good news is that nothing lasts forever.  Sooner or later, the other side will err spectacularly, and you'll get another shot to make your case.  How much you learn between now and then is up to you."

     

    Did you have Chinese for lunch?  I swear I`ve read this in a fortune cookie.




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    Bump.

    'Cause some folks still ain't getting it.

     

     
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    Bump.

    'Cause some folks still ain't getting it.

     




    What is it that "folks aren`t getting"?

    That Obama won by 2%?  That NO president since George Washington has ever been re-elected with LESS votes than they got the 1st time? 10 million LESS votes? LESS electoral votes?  LESS states won?   Are they "not getting" that we are in the EXACT same position we were in before the election (except for 2 senate seats)?  Are they "not getting" that 60 million people voted one way and 58 million voted the other, leaving a deeply divided nation?  Certainly Obama isn`t "getting it" as I just watched the fool saying that taxes need to be raised.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that he has us borrowing $9 BILLION per day and a tax increase will cover about 7 days per year.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that the problem is SPENDING not taxes.

    I`m guessing that because 2 whack-job senate candidates that have serious issues about women exposed their craziness and lost (rightly so) , that you think 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are of similar beliefs and aren`t "getting it"?  Or the 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are sick to death of paying the bill for illegal folks to have healthcare, EBT, food stamps, and welfare checks, aren`t "getting it"? 

    Should the 58 million give in, roll over, and accept the fact that half of the country wants free things? Should we continue to work and pay (higher) taxes to support the layabouts? Should we do these things so a Republican candidate can win the "gimme-crowd" vote? Should we give in and watch America go the way of Greece as there are more takers than givers? Did you see the DOW? How about the layoffs?  Boeing, HP, Ford, Welch Allyn, etc? This election will have consequences, and they will not be good for the economy.   

    What is it that people are not "getting"?

     



    That sad sack, class-warfare-style, finger-pointing, doom-saying rhetoric like yours is a massive turnoff for voters.  "Takers vs. Makers" is a poor excuse for thinking, and an even poorer substitute for compassion.

    That Romney's policies were vastly seen by voters as "favoring the rich".  Whether they were or not, he never convincingly made the case otherwise.  Not easy anyway for an elite blue-blood political scion. (W. pulled it off somehow, though, in spite of himself.)

    That it's disingenuous to blame the "lamestream media" for everything, when their own conservative media outlet (hereafter forever known as "Bulls**t Mt.") is so blatantly self-serving and un-self-conscious.  The biggest attacks on Romney were provided by his own party rivals in the primaries, and they stuck.

    That there ARE such people as moderate dems and moderate repubs who deserve their place at the bargaining table like everyone else - ideology, purity tests and artificial tax pedges be dammed.

    That the way they mis-characterized and vilified the President from day one was not only incorrect and divisive, but also insulting, demeaning and disrespectful to the office, much less the man and his family.

    That, yes, some dems/libs work very hard at success and capitalism and some repubs/cons collect welfare, food stamps or any number of govt assistance programs. 

    That the continued, inevitable diversification of the U.S. is a positive thing that will inevitably bring the nation closer to the world, and the world to us.

    I could go on...

    ...any of this sinking in, yet?

     

     
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    In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much.

     

    Actually it was quite effective.  The results speak for themselves.

     

     

     
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    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

    In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much.

    Actually it was quite effective.  The results speak for themselves.



    But they weren't lies there was more than innuendo and the scary talk was rooted in fact.  

    People are not as stupid as you want to believe.  

    The G.O.P. needs better ideas if it wants to be relevant to the groups that matter more and more (women, the young and minorities).

    Or they can continue to think people are stupid and march into oblivion.

     

     
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    Bump.

    'Cause some folks still ain't getting it.

     




    What is it that "folks aren`t getting"?

    That Obama won by 2%?  That NO president since George Washington has ever been re-elected with LESS votes than they got the 1st time? 10 million LESS votes? LESS electoral votes?  LESS states won?   Are they "not getting" that we are in the EXACT same position we were in before the election (except for 2 senate seats)?  Are they "not getting" that 60 million people voted one way and 58 million voted the other, leaving a deeply divided nation?  Certainly Obama isn`t "getting it" as I just watched the fool saying that taxes need to be raised.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that he has us borrowing $9 BILLION per day and a tax increase will cover about 7 days per year.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that the problem is SPENDING not taxes.

    I`m guessing that because 2 whack-job senate candidates that have serious issues about women exposed their craziness and lost (rightly so) , that you think 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are of similar beliefs and aren`t "getting it"?  Or the 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are sick to death of paying the bill for illegal folks to have healthcare, EBT, food stamps, and welfare checks, aren`t "getting it"? 

    Should the 58 million give in, roll over, and accept the fact that half of the country wants free things? Should we continue to work and pay (higher) taxes to support the layabouts? Should we do these things so a Republican candidate can win the "gimme-crowd" vote? Should we give in and watch America go the way of Greece as there are more takers than givers? Did you see the DOW? How about the layoffs?  Boeing, HP, Ford, Welch Allyn, etc? This election will have consequences, and they will not be good for the economy.   

    What is it that people are not "getting"?

     



    That sad sack, class-warfare-style, finger-pointing, doom-saying rhetoric like yours is a massive turnoff for voters.  "Takers vs. Makers" is a poor excuse for thinking, and an even poorer substitute for compassion.

    That Romney's policies were vastly seen by voters as "favoring the rich".  Whether they were or not, he never convincingly made the case otherwise.  Not easy anyway for an elite blue-blood political scion. (W. pulled it off somehow, though, in spite of himself.)

    That it's disingenuous to blame the "lamestream media" for everything, when their own conservative media outlet (hereafter forever known as "Bulls**t Mt.") is so blatantly self-serving and un-self-conscious.  The biggest attacks on Romney were provided by his own party rivals in the primaries, and they stuck.

    That there ARE such people as moderate dems and moderate repubs who deserve their place at the bargaining table like everyone else - ideology, purity tests and artificial tax pedges be dammed.

    That the way they mis-characterized and vilified the President from day one was not only incorrect and divisive, but also insulting, demeaning and disrespectful to the office, much less the man and his family.

    That, yes, some dems/libs work very hard at success and capitalism and some repubs/cons collect welfare, food stamps or any number of govt assistance programs. 

    That the continued, inevitable diversification of the U.S. is a positive thing that will inevitably bring the nation closer to the world, and the world to us.

    I could go on...

    ...any of this sinking in, yet?

     




    The parts that aren`t debateable are "sinking in".

    Obama and the Libs existence is based on and the result of "class warfare" . How soon you forget the 99% vs 1% and OWS.

    How the heck do tax cuts for everyone "favor the rich"?  Today`s press conference saw the incompetent say "Jan 1 EVERYONE will see a tax increase".....Whoa, wait a minute.  Stop the presses.  I was sure that for 4 years I`ve heard "Bush tax cuts for the WEALTHY".  Now after running on a theme and lying to America, those tax cuts were/are in fact TAX CUTS for EVERYONE!  Hmmmmmmmmm

    How could folks NOT think the "media" was/is protecting Obama with events like:al Qaeda in Libya on 911, Iran shooting at drones, daily hugs from MSNBC, NY Times, and the Globe.

    There are "moderate Dems and moderate Reps".  I agree (or in your words, this one is "sinking in")  Scott Brown was/is a perfect example.  MA chose to chuck him for voting 50% of the time with the opposing party.  A disgrace IMO.

    'Villifying and misrepresenting the president".........You must have missed EVERY FREAKIN DAY of the Bush years.

    Agree that food stamps, or for that matter, any type of assistance is needed, has to be there, and will be there to help folks that need a leg up.  Generations of welfare, EBT, and Obamaphones is just plain wrong.

    Would love to be "closer to the world and the world closer to us" but, I never forget that we are the best country on earth and would like to see that remain for my kids and grandkids.

    Good weekend to you and Congrats on your win.  I hope it`s a good 4 years. I couldn`t have been more wrong with my thoughts and predictions on how this race would turn out.....Geeez.




    See?  I come out with reasoned explanations, and you throw out the same BS talking points that didn't work on the campaign trail and only served to drive people of all stripes away from the republican and conservative brands.  The dem coalition was so broad that they could have split the white vote 50-50 and still won.  That should tell you something.

    There's no point in congratulating me.  I wasn't elected to anything.  I'm just happy that the truth and reality largely triumphed over lies and fantasy, and that face-to-face, personalized, grassroots organizing beat out tsunamis of ads and centralized, corporate shilling.

    It doesn't have to be so bad or fatal or extreme as you make it out to be.  If the right absorbs even half of the implications of their defeat, then they'll be fine.  If they don't, well, then don't say I didn't try to lend a helping hand to someone who was feeling down.

     

     
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    Re: Epistemic Closure on the Right Takes a Direct Hit

    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

    Sorry to some of the rightward folks, but some sessions on the couch are in order and, for some, well overdue.

    It's perfectly normal to rationalize AWAY from the problem instead of confronting it, at least at first.  But eventually, you will need to stare down the beliefs which keep setting you up for a result that isn't going to happen.

    In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much.  Maybe a better strategy would have been appealing to peoples' better natures instead of their worse ones. (Maybe not.)

    The good news is that nothing lasts forever.  Sooner or later, the other side will err spectacularly, and you'll get another shot to make your case.  How much you learn between now and then is up to you.

     



    "In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much."

    It gave Obama the victory.  Obama personally slammed Romney like no other campaign.  It was lies and innuendo, and scary talk.  Romney killed a guys wife, he's going to repeal abortion, and so on.

    The left needs to learn to put somethign like our country above their personal handout form Obama.

     
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    Before the votes were counted O'Reilly was espousing about the vanishing "White Traditional America" and saying 50% of America AKA people who voted for Obama simply "want things".  So it doesn't seem the voices of the Right are looking to change their narrative of fear and divisiveness.

    It doesn't take a degree in Political Science to see the writing on the wall for the future of the 2 parties.  The GOP is older the Dems are younger.  The GOP continues to alienate itself from growing groups, Latino, LGBT, etc... and those groups go strong for Dems.  If those trajectory's continue, the GOP will continue to lose Presidential races and Senate seats.

    In 2016 the Democratic Candidate, maybe Hillary, will have Bill and Barack on the campaign trail stumping for them.  That matters.  Too bad for the GOP they don't have any living former Presidents they want to remind the electorate about.



    "saying 50% of America AKA people who voted for Obama simply "want things".  "

    Are you seriously going to deny that?  That defies logic.  Obama's own campaign was engineered around giving things to people, contraception for single women, backdoor amnesty for illegals, and so on.

    That you can't see that is scary.  It was Obama's ENTIRE campaign.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

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    Bump.

    'Cause some folks still ain't getting it.

     




    What is it that "folks aren`t getting"?

    That Obama won by 2%?  That NO president since George Washington has ever been re-elected with LESS votes than they got the 1st time? 10 million LESS votes? LESS electoral votes?  LESS states won?   Are they "not getting" that we are in the EXACT same position we were in before the election (except for 2 senate seats)?  Are they "not getting" that 60 million people voted one way and 58 million voted the other, leaving a deeply divided nation?  Certainly Obama isn`t "getting it" as I just watched the fool saying that taxes need to be raised.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that he has us borrowing $9 BILLION per day and a tax increase will cover about 7 days per year.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that the problem is SPENDING not taxes.

    I`m guessing that because 2 whack-job senate candidates that have serious issues about women exposed their craziness and lost (rightly so) , that you think 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are of similar beliefs and aren`t "getting it"?  Or the 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are sick to death of paying the bill for illegal folks to have healthcare, EBT, food stamps, and welfare checks, aren`t "getting it"? 

    Should the 58 million give in, roll over, and accept the fact that half of the country wants free things? Should we continue to work and pay (higher) taxes to support the layabouts? Should we do these things so a Republican candidate can win the "gimme-crowd" vote? Should we give in and watch America go the way of Greece as there are more takers than givers? Did you see the DOW? How about the layoffs?  Boeing, HP, Ford, Welch Allyn, etc? This election will have consequences, and they will not be good for the economy.   

    What is it that people are not "getting"?

     



    That sad sack, class-warfare-style, finger-pointing, doom-saying rhetoric like yours is a massive turnoff for voters.  "Takers vs. Makers" is a poor excuse for thinking, and an even poorer substitute for compassion.

    That Romney's policies were vastly seen by voters as "favoring the rich".  Whether they were or not, he never convincingly made the case otherwise.  Not easy anyway for an elite blue-blood political scion. (W. pulled it off somehow, though, in spite of himself.)

    That it's disingenuous to blame the "lamestream media" for everything, when their own conservative media outlet (hereafter forever known as "Bulls**t Mt.") is so blatantly self-serving and un-self-conscious.  The biggest attacks on Romney were provided by his own party rivals in the primaries, and they stuck.

    That there ARE such people as moderate dems and moderate repubs who deserve their place at the bargaining table like everyone else - ideology, purity tests and artificial tax pedges be dammed.

    That the way they mis-characterized and vilified the President from day one was not only incorrect and divisive, but also insulting, demeaning and disrespectful to the office, much less the man and his family.

    That, yes, some dems/libs work very hard at success and capitalism and some repubs/cons collect welfare, food stamps or any number of govt assistance programs. 

    That the continued, inevitable diversification of the U.S. is a positive thing that will inevitably bring the nation closer to the world, and the world to us.

    I could go on...

    ...any of this sinking in, yet?

     




    ' "Takers vs. Makers" is a poor excuse for thinking, and an even poorer substitute for compassion."

    A self-condradicting sentence if there ever was one.  Seems to me the Takers won.

     
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    Whites make up 73% of the electorate and Mittens got close to 60% of those votes and he still lost.

    If wingnuts can't recognize the impact that the changing demographics had on the election then they are doomed to being a parochial party.

     

     

     




    So, what you are saying is that the non-whites wouldn't vote for a white guy. 

    Sounds racist to me.

     
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    Sorry to some of the rightward folks, but some sessions on the couch are in order and, for some, well overdue.

    It's perfectly normal to rationalize AWAY from the problem instead of confronting it, at least at first.  But eventually, you will need to stare down the beliefs which keep setting you up for a result that isn't going to happen.

    In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much.  Maybe a better strategy would have been appealing to peoples' better natures instead of their worse ones. (Maybe not.)

    The good news is that nothing lasts forever.  Sooner or later, the other side will err spectacularly, and you'll get another shot to make your case.  How much you learn between now and then is up to you.

     



    "In the end, all of the lies and innuendo and scary talk added up to...not much."

    It gave Obama the victory.  Obama personally slammed Romney like no other campaign.  It was lies and innuendo, and scary talk.  Romney killed a guys wife, he's going to repeal abortion, and so on.

    The left needs to learn to put somethign like our country above their personal handout form Obama.



    You mean like giving tax cuts to the richer than ever rich? Ok then

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.




    100% backwards.  What the Republicans need to do is articulate conservatism, something Romney on his best day was personally uncomfortable with, as he is not a conservative.

    I hope the Republicans don't lower themselves to the pandering the Democrats do to minorities and women.

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.




    100% backwards.  What the Republicans need to do is articulate conservatism, something Romney on his best day was personally uncomfortable with, as he is not a conservative.

    I hope the Republicans don't lower themselves to the pandering the Democrats do to minorities and women.




    Perhaps, but true conservatism; not the fake kind currently espoused that shall be the hypocritical excuse to let the uber wealthy rape the global economy even further.

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.




    100% backwards.  What the Republicans need to do is articulate conservatism, something Romney on his best day was personally uncomfortable with, as he is not a conservative.

    I hope the Republicans don't lower themselves to the pandering the Democrats do to minorities and women.




    Perhaps, but true conservatism; not the fake kind currently espoused that shall be the hypocritical excuse to let the uber wealthy rape the global economy even further.




    If that's what they are doing, of course.

    But they are not.  They are building the computers you are posting with, and the Prius's you are driving.  Heck, they even made the "Warren" and "Obama" bumper stickers on the back of it.

    This whole idea that successful people are bad has got to go.  It is simply foolish.  I know it makes you feel good to say someone is holding you down, taking advantage of you, but trust me, we make money when we have you working, happy, and buying stuff.

    So, why would we want to curtail that by raping the economy such that you can't participate?  That means we all lose.

    Think about it.

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.




    100% backwards.  What the Republicans need to do is articulate conservatism, something Romney on his best day was personally uncomfortable with, as he is not a conservative.

    I hope the Republicans don't lower themselves to the pandering the Democrats do to minorities and women.




    Perhaps, but true conservatism; not the fake kind currently espoused that shall be the hypocritical excuse to let the uber wealthy rape the global economy even further.




    If that's what they are doing, of course.

    But they are not.  They are building the computers you are posting with, and the Prius's you are driving.  Heck, they even made the "Warren" and "Obama" bumper stickers on the back of it.

    This whole idea that successful people are bad has got to go.  It is simply foolish.  I know it makes you feel good to say someone is holding you down, taking advantage of you, but trust me, we make money when we have you working, happy, and buying stuff.

    So, why would we want to curtail that by raping the economy such that you can't participate?  That means we all lose.

    Think about it.



    There is some validity to what you say.

     
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    Another great post by Matty...and thesemenarecowards is right. The GOP..if they want to survive as a national party has to re-evaluate who they are trying to reach...but the GOP party is so fractured it will be tough to do. Too many factions and no one wants to compromise in the party.




    100% backwards.  What the Republicans need to do is articulate conservatism, something Romney on his best day was personally uncomfortable with, as he is not a conservative.

    I hope the Republicans don't lower themselves to the pandering the Democrats do to minorities and women.




    Perhaps, but true conservatism; not the fake kind currently espoused that shall be the hypocritical excuse to let the uber wealthy rape the global economy even further.




    If that's what they are doing, of course.

    But they are not.  They are building the computers you are posting with, and the Prius's you are driving.  Heck, they even made the "Warren" and "Obama" bumper stickers on the back of it.

    This whole idea that successful people are bad has got to go.  It is simply foolish.  I know it makes you feel good to say someone is holding you down, taking advantage of you, but trust me, we make money when we have you working, happy, and buying stuff.

    So, why would we want to curtail that by raping the economy such that you can't participate?  That means we all lose.

    Think about it.



    There is some validity to what you say.




    Some validity?

    The bumper sticker on the Prius.  I nailed your car, didn't I?

     
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    Bump.

    'Cause some folks still ain't getting it.

     




    What is it that "folks aren`t getting"?

    That Obama won by 2%?  That NO president since George Washington has ever been re-elected with LESS votes than they got the 1st time? 10 million LESS votes? LESS electoral votes?  LESS states won?   Are they "not getting" that we are in the EXACT same position we were in before the election (except for 2 senate seats)?  Are they "not getting" that 60 million people voted one way and 58 million voted the other, leaving a deeply divided nation?  Certainly Obama isn`t "getting it" as I just watched the fool saying that taxes need to be raised.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that he has us borrowing $9 BILLION per day and a tax increase will cover about 7 days per year.  Apparently he doesn`t "get" that the problem is SPENDING not taxes.

    I`m guessing that because 2 whack-job senate candidates that have serious issues about women exposed their craziness and lost (rightly so) , that you think 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are of similar beliefs and aren`t "getting it"?  Or the 58 million that didn`t vote for an incompetent are sick to death of paying the bill for illegal folks to have healthcare, EBT, food stamps, and welfare checks, aren`t "getting it"? 

    Should the 58 million give in, roll over, and accept the fact that half of the country wants free things? Should we continue to work and pay (higher) taxes to support the layabouts? Should we do these things so a Republican candidate can win the "gimme-crowd" vote? Should we give in and watch America go the way of Greece as there are more takers than givers? Did you see the DOW? How about the layoffs?  Boeing, HP, Ford, Welch Allyn, etc? This election will have consequences, and they will not be good for the economy.   

    What is it that people are not "getting"?

     



    That sad sack, class-warfare-style, finger-pointing, doom-saying rhetoric like yours is a massive turnoff for voters.  "Takers vs. Makers" is a poor excuse for thinking, and an even poorer substitute for compassion.

    That Romney's policies were vastly seen by voters as "favoring the rich".  Whether they were or not, he never convincingly made the case otherwise.  Not easy anyway for an elite blue-blood political scion. (W. pulled it off somehow, though, in spite of himself.)

    That it's disingenuous to blame the "lamestream media" for everything, when their own conservative media outlet (hereafter forever known as "Bulls**t Mt.") is so blatantly self-serving and un-self-conscious.  The biggest attacks on Romney were provided by his own party rivals in the primaries, and they stuck.

    That there ARE such people as moderate dems and moderate repubs who deserve their place at the bargaining table like everyone else - ideology, purity tests and artificial tax pedges be dammed.

    That the way they mis-characterized and vilified the President from day one was not only incorrect and divisive, but also insulting, demeaning and disrespectful to the office, much less the man and his family.

    That, yes, some dems/libs work very hard at success and capitalism and some repubs/cons collect welfare, food stamps or any number of govt assistance programs. 

    That the continued, inevitable diversification of the U.S. is a positive thing that will inevitably bring the nation closer to the world, and the world to us.

    I could go on...

    ...any of this sinking in, yet?

     




    The parts that aren`t debateable are "sinking in".

    Obama and the Libs existence is based on and the result of "class warfare" . How soon you forget the 99% vs 1% and OWS.

    How the heck do tax cuts for everyone "favor the rich"?  Today`s press conference saw the incompetent say "Jan 1 EVERYONE will see a tax increase".....Whoa, wait a minute.  Stop the presses.  I was sure that for 4 years I`ve heard "Bush tax cuts for the WEALTHY".  Now after running on a theme and lying to America, those tax cuts were/are in fact TAX CUTS for EVERYONE!  Hmmmmmmmmm

    How could folks NOT think the "media" was/is protecting Obama with events like:al Qaeda in Libya on 911, Iran shooting at drones, daily hugs from MSNBC, NY Times, and the Globe.

    There are "moderate Dems and moderate Reps".  I agree (or in your words, this one is "sinking in")  Scott Brown was/is a perfect example.  MA chose to chuck him for voting 50% of the time with the opposing party.  A disgrace IMO.

    'Villifying and misrepresenting the president".........You must have missed EVERY FREAKIN DAY of the Bush years.

    Agree that food stamps, or for that matter, any type of assistance is needed, has to be there, and will be there to help folks that need a leg up.  Generations of welfare, EBT, and Obamaphones is just plain wrong.

    Would love to be "closer to the world and the world closer to us" but, I never forget that we are the best country on earth and would like to see that remain for my kids and grandkids.

    Good weekend to you and Congrats on your win.  I hope it`s a good 4 years. I couldn`t have been more wrong with my thoughts and predictions on how this race would turn out.....Geeez.




    See?  I come out with reasoned explanations, and you throw out the same BS talking points that didn't work on the campaign trail and only served to drive people of all stripes away from the republican and conservative brands.  The dem coalition was so broad that they could have split the white vote 50-50 and still won.  That should tell you something.

    There's no point in congratulating me.  I wasn't elected to anything.  I'm just happy that the truth and reality largely triumphed over lies and fantasy, and that face-to-face, personalized, grassroots organizing beat out tsunamis of ads and centralized, corporate shilling.

    It doesn't have to be so bad or fatal or extreme as you make it out to be.  If the right absorbs even half of the implications of their defeat, then they'll be fine.  If they don't, well, then don't say I didn't try to lend a helping hand to someone who was feeling down.

     




    So, in your view, an electorate split 50-50 (well, 50-48), says that it`s the right`s fault, they need to "absorb the implications of their defeat" (by 2 points, 10 million less votes for Obama, 2 less states for Obama, and less electoral votes for Obama) or it`s all over right? Again, nothing has changed. 3 billion was spent and a wide Rep majority was sent back to the HoR and Obama was sent back to 1600 Penn Av.

    Gee, I remember James Carville gloating in 2008 and saying that the "next 16 years would be complete Dem control and the GOP was done"........then the next thing I heard was Obama saying "that was a shellacking" as the Reps romped 2 short years later.

    You mention "truth triumphed over lies and fantasy".  Your candidate accused Romney of causing cancer and death, of wanting to reverse Roe v Wade, of being a vulture.  All the while your candidate was lying about Libya, lying about taxes, scaring women , poor, and elderly.

    Please show me a "BS talking point" and cite one of your "reasoned explanations".




    No matter the numbers, Repubs still need to comprehend their defeat and revise their strategy.  That's just common sense.  What they do with that knowledge is up to them.  Maybe they go further right; maybe they go the center.  We will see.

    Look again.  Most of the worst recriminations against Romney came from his own party mates during the primaries!  "Vulture capitalism", "crony capitalism", "right-wing social engineering", etc.  Can't blame the dems for playing the ball where it lies.

    The disgraced Karl Rove also bloviated about a "permanent coalition" and "lasting republican majority", and how did that work out?  That willful blindness didn't abate even in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence on election night.  Epistemic closure writ large and red-faced (if he wasn't so shameless to admit he was wrong).

    I said very clearly in another thread, that inevitably, Dems will blow it and the Gopers will get another shot.  Repeat: what they do with it is entirely up to them.  Will they have another tee partee fraud freakout?  Or, will they revise some of their more dated positions to swell their ranks with more than just white men?  Again, we will see.

     

     

     
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