Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    Festering dungheaps? Thanks for raising the level of discourse around here.

     

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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    Speaker John A. Boehner says he is gearing up for “a whale of a fight” with President Obama over raising the federal debt ceiling, even though Mr. Obama has repeatedly said he has no plans to negotiate with Congressional Republicans over the nation’s debt limit and wants it lifted without a political showdown.

    At an Idaho fund-raiser on Monday for Representative Mike Simpson, a Republican and a close ally, Mr. Boehner said he planned to use the need to raise the debt ceiling to gain political leverage and demand “cuts and reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit.”

    “The president doesn’t think this is fair, thinks I’m being difficult to deal with,” Mr. Boehner said in his remarks, reported by The Idaho Statesman. “But I’ll say this: It may be unfair, but what I’m trying to do here is to leverage the political process to produce more change than what it would produce if left to its own devices. We’re going to have a whale of a fight.”

    Mr. Boehner’s comments came as Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew warned him in a letter on Monday that unless Congress raised the debt ceiling, the government would lose the ability to pay all of its bills in mid-October.

    “Congress should act as soon as possible to protect America’s good credit by extending normal borrowing authority well before any risk of default becomes imminent,” Mr. Lew wrote. “Based on our latest estimates, extraordinary measures are projected to be exhausted in the middle of October. At that point, the United States will have reached the limit of its borrowing authority, and Treasury would be left to fund the government with only the cash we have on hand any given day.”

    The Obama administration has said repeatedly that it will not allow Congressional Republicans to use the debt limit to wring concessions from the White House, similar to the fiscal showdown that occurred at the end of last year. The Federal Reserve has warned that political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling could hamper the economic recovery.

     

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/us/politics/boehner-foresees-whale-of-a-fight-over-debt-limit.html?hp&_r=0

     

     

     

    And of course, if it leads to another downgrades, the sycophants will blame Obama.

    Fight the actual spending authorization bills. Don't authorize bills and then hold them hostage, issue demands.

     

     

     

     

     




    We have been borrowing money year in year out for over ten years.  We are at the point where we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the Feds spend.

    Do you really think this is a sane policy?

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    Maybe some "Tea Party grit" is whats needed!

     

    ...Oh and guns of course.

     

    /sarcasm off

     
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    "The Obama administration has said repeatedly that it will not allow Congressional Republicans to use the debt limit to wring concessions from the White House, similar to the fiscal showdown that occurred at the end of last year."

    The President has been whining for months about the lack of 'compromise' . Again and again he says how both sides must sacrifice to get things done.

    So, now, here is their Michael Corleone "offer" to help save the country from looming bankruptcy : nothing. 

    The spending party never ends for liberals.

     “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

    — Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006

     

     
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    "The Federal Reserve has warned that political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling could hamper the economic recovery."

    It is not the "political brinksmanship" that hampers the economy, it is the actual out of control federal spending.  Control it, or the economy and country is literally doomed.

     

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    "The Federal Reserve has warned that political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling could hamper the economic recovery."

    It is not the "political brinksmanship" that hampers the economy, it is the actual out of control federal spending.  Control it, or the economy and country is literally doomed.

     




    We have a spending problem AND a revenue problem, but thanks for only seeing half the picture--I hope your eye-patch comes off soon.

    Revenue as % of GDP has been in the 15% range the last four years, as opposed to being in the 18 - 20 % range for about 70 straight years before that.

     

     

     
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    Heritage:

    Following four years of trillion-dollar deficits, the national debt will still reach nearly $17 trillion and exceed 100 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) at the end of the year. Publicly held debt (the debt borrowed in credit markets, excluding Social Security’s trust fund, for example), is alarmingly high at three-quarters of GDP. Without further spending cuts, it is on track to rise to a level last seen after World War II.

    Deficits fell in 2013 because President Obama and Congress raised taxes on all Americans, the economy saw slight improvement which helped to bring in more revenue, and spending cuts from sequestration and spending caps under the Budget Control Act of 2011 took effect.

    The nation should not take this short-term and modest deficit improvement as a signal to grow complacent about reining in exploding spending. Though deficits will decline for a few more years, existing spending cuts and tax increases will not prevent them from rising soon, and within a decade exceeding $1 trillion once again. Driving this is federal spending which, despite sequestration cuts, will grow 69 percent by 2023.

    The nation’s long-term spending trajectory remains on a fiscal collision course.

    Total spending has exploded by 40 percent since 2002, even after inflation. Some programs have grown far in excess of that. Defense, however, has been slashed. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Obamacare are so large and growing that they are on track to overwhelm the federal budget. While the Budget Control Act of 2011 and sequestration are modestly restraining the discretionary budget, mandatory spending—including entitlements—continues growing nearly unabated. Without any changes, mandatory spending, including net interest, will consume three-fourths of the budget in just one decade.

    Obamacare will add $1.8 trillion to federal health care spending by 2023. By 2015, health care spending will overtake Social Security as the largest budget item, including Obamacare’s coverage expansion provisions: a massive expansion of Medicaid and subsidies for the new health insurance exchanges

     
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    Beyond waste, the federal government is too big. Energy spending increased over 2,000 percent since 2002—after adjusting for inflation. Today there are roughly 80 means-tested anti-poverty programs.

    Washington must stop kicking the can down the road, or we could soon find ourselves teetering on the edge of a Greece-style meltdown. Instead, lawmakers should eliminate waste, duplication, and inappropriate spending; privatize functions better left to the private sector; and leave areas best managed on a more local level to states and localities. And they should make important changes to the entitlement programs so that they become more affordable and benefits help those with the greatest needs.

    It is not too late to solve the impending spending and debt crisis, but the clock is ticking.

    The Federal Budget
    • Washington will spend nearly $3.5 trillion in 2013 while collecting $2.8 trillion in revenues, resulting in a deficit of $642 billion.
    • Over the past 20 years, federal spending grew 63 percent faster than inflation.
    • Mandatory spending, including Social Security and means-tested entitlements, doubled after adjusting for inflation. Discretionary spending grew by 49 percent.
    • Despite publicly held debt surging to three-fourths the size of the economy (as measured by GDP), net interest costs have fallen as interest rates have dropped to historic lows.
    • In 1963, defense spending was 9 percent of GDP and mandatory spending on entitlement programs was 6.1 percent of GDP, one-third lower.
    • In 2013, spending on defense is at about 4 percent of GDP and falling, while mandatory spending (including net interest) is reaching 14.5 percent of GDP and growing
     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    Total spending has exploded by 40 percent since 2002, even after inflation. Some programs have grown far in excess of that. Defense, however, has been slashed.




    Heritage can't be serious with this nonsense.

     
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    That still has nothing to do with whether holding the debt limit hostage is the way to tackle a problem.




    The House of Representatives has a vote on increasing the debt limit. The elected Republicans should compromise with their opposition , the Party of Unlimited Government Spending, but agreeing to increasing the debt limit if reasonable spending limitations are agreed to.

    If an addicted gambler asked his financial advisor to raise his debt limit to pay for gambling debts, the advisor would refuse to do so unless the gambler agreed to go to therapy for his addictions....

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    Total spending has exploded by 40 percent since 2002, even after inflation. Some programs have grown far in excess of that. Defense, however, has been slashed.

     




    Heritage can't be serious with this nonsense.

     



    That's right, block your eyes from the facts. Libs keep spending other people's money, but some day they may run out.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

     "Obama has repeatedly said he has no plans to negotiate with Congressional Republicans over the nation’s debt limit"

    Obama says an awful lot of things. All his rhetoric has an expiration date.

    Is this another  "red line" that Obama will never allow to be crossed ?

    Sure. In the end, Obama will just break another promise and agree to some token spending cuts or limitations.  No one believes Obama's empty rhetoric, anyway.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    That still has nothing to do with whether holding the debt limit hostage is the way to tackle a problem.

     

     




    The House of Representatives has a vote on increasing the debt limit. The elected Republicans should compromise with their opposition , the Party of Unlimited Government Spending, but agreeing to increasing the debt limit if reasonable spending limitations are agreed to.

     

     

    If an addicted gambler asked his financial advisor to raise his debt limit to pay for gambling debts, the advisor would refuse to do so unless the gambler agreed to go to therapy for his addictions....




     

    Hey dipstick, the wingnuts, who hold the HoR, where all bills related to gov't spending must originate, passed all the appropriation bills that collective comprise the debt.

    The time to object is before you swipe the credit card, not after you've made the purchase.

    Now they don't want to pay for those 'purchases'.

    There is no excuse for not paying the bills that you are responsible for.



    There is no excuse for bribing voters with free stuff paid for by future generations.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    That still has nothing to do with whether holding the debt limit hostage is the way to tackle a problem.

     

     




    The House of Representatives has a vote on increasing the debt limit. The elected Republicans should compromise with their opposition , the Party of Unlimited Government Spending, but agreeing to increasing the debt limit if reasonable spending limitations are agreed to.

     

     

    If an addicted gambler asked his financial advisor to raise his debt limit to pay for gambling debts, the advisor would refuse to do so unless the gambler agreed to go to therapy for his addictions....




     

    Hey dipstick, the wingnuts, who hold the HoR, where all bills related to gov't spending must originate, passed all the appropriation bills that collective comprise the debt.

    The time to object is before you swipe the credit card, not after you've made the purchase.

    Now they don't want to pay for those 'purchases'.

    There is no excuse for not paying the bills that you are responsible for.

     



    There is no excuse for bribing voters with free stuff paid for by future generations.

     



    Get it thru your thick head:  America's debts and defecits are a direct result of trickle down economics, Neo-Conservative militarism run amok, and the recession that both of these failed ideologies left in their wake. 

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

     

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

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    That still has nothing to do with whether holding the debt limit hostage is the way to tackle a problem.

     

     




    The House of Representatives has a vote on increasing the debt limit. The elected Republicans should compromise with their opposition , the Party of Unlimited Government Spending, but agreeing to increasing the debt limit if reasonable spending limitations are agreed to.

     

     

    If an addicted gambler asked his financial advisor to raise his debt limit to pay for gambling debts, the advisor would refuse to do so unless the gambler agreed to go to therapy for his addictions....




     

    Hey dipstick, the wingnuts, who hold the HoR, where all bills related to gov't spending must originate, passed all the appropriation bills that collective comprise the debt.

    The time to object is before you swipe the credit card, not after you've made the purchase.

    Now they don't want to pay for those 'purchases'.

    There is no excuse for not paying the bills that you are responsible for.

     



    There is no excuse for bribing voters with free stuff paid for by future generations.

     

     



     

    Get it thru your thick head:  America's debts and defecits are a direct result of trickle down economics, Neo-Conservative militarism run amok, and the recession that both of these failed ideologies left in their wake. 

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    Why didn't the Dems change this "Neo-Conservative militarism run amok" when they had control of congress in the past?

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    There is no excuse for bribing voters with free stuff paid for by future generations.

     

     



    There is no excuse for repeatedly slashing taxes and then wondering where all the revenue went.

     

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    So I guess Obama shouldn't have joined in and made his own tax cuts eh?

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    We have been borrowing money year in year out for over ten years.  We are at the point where we are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the Feds spend.

    Do you really think this is a sane policy?

     



    Fight the actual spending authorization bills. Don't authorize bills and then hold them hostage, issue demands.

     

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    Don't disagree.

    Hopefully, you are not a "deficits don't matter" progressive.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    "The Federal Reserve has warned that political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling could hamper the economic recovery."

    It is not the "political brinksmanship" that hampers the economy, it is the actual out of control federal spending.  Control it, or the economy and country is literally doomed.

     




    bingo.

     
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    "The Federal Reserve has warned that political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling could hamper the economic recovery."

    It is not the "political brinksmanship" that hampers the economy, it is the actual out of control federal spending.  Control it, or the economy and country is literally doomed.

     

     




    We have a spending problem AND a revenue problem, but thanks for only seeing half the picture--I hope your eye-patch comes off soon.

     

    Revenue as % of GDP has been in the 15% range the last four years, as opposed to being in the 18 - 20 % range for about 70 straight years before that.

     

     

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    I don't think there is a revenue problem.  There is only a spending problem.

    In order to have a revenue problem, you would have to buy off on the philosophy that there is a floor below which government does not have enough revenue to fund it's ennumerated powers.  Current revenue is well beyond that point. The government can do what it really needs to do with 60% of what it currently spends.  Heck, we were at that level only a few years ago.  The problem is government spending on things it shouldn't, either because the spending is outside of its true limits, or we simply can't afford it. 

    Examples:  (because I know the left will ask_ stimulus packages, federally based welfare, food stamps , agriculture subsidies, foriegn aid, alternate energy investments, GM investments, grants to Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the like.  Researching shrimps on treadmills, and the list goes on.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

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    There is no excuse for bribing voters with free stuff paid for by future generations.

     

     



    There is no excuse for repeatedly slashing taxes and then wondering where all the revenue went.

     


    The government has a spending problem;  only in liberal la la land is there concern we are not taxed enough.

     

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