Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    Well, I was trying to be as polite as possible without giving undue praise.

    You seem to have managed a modicum of success in the latter.

     

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    The govt should always debate and make sure any increased borrowing is absolutely necessary.

    Do you honestly believe they can find no wasteful spending to cut, fraud to eliminate and duplicate programs to cut?

    Its not about feeding the children or buying grandma medicine as the fear mongers like to portray it. It's about making govt do the hard work of identifying the waste, fraud, and duplicate spending and stopping it when we have such enormous debt and liability!

     
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    Do you honestly believe they can find no wasteful spending to cut, fraud to eliminate and duplicate programs to cut?

    You're forgetting about constituencies to pay off with public money in return for the guarantee of hefty campaign donations. That's a good one.

     

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    Trickle down was a lie from day one, and you were dumb enough to believe it.

    Keynesianism is working so much better. Don't you think?

     

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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    Not one person here has said that. As always, you're talking to the imaginary liberal that Fox planted in your head.

     



    yea blame bad ole fox (btw i do not watch cable news) lol

     

    That is what the debate on the debt ceiling should consist of; govt fraud, waste, and duplicate programs. These things cost us billions and yet YOU want ignore this and take more from taxpayers!

    You are a good little federal govt disciple of trust without question on fiscal issues.

     
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    Sad thing is, it could very well have worked if done...oh...completely differently

     

    Of course it would have. Had it been done completely differently. Of course.

     

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    Nobody here has ever, not once, said there is no wasteful spending to cut, fraud to catch, etc.

    No one.



    Then make them talk about and do some of it before just raising the debt liability for everyone!

    That is what the debate on the debt ceiling should consist of; govt fraud, waste, and duplicate programs. These things cost us billions and yet YOU want ignore this and take more from taxpayers!

     
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    I'm arguing for doing it, but not doing it the stupid way.




    Please show me 1 post where you have argued for the federal govt to cut wasteful spending, fraud and duplicate programs.

    please!

     
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    Please show me 1 post where you have argued for the federal govt to cut wasteful spending, fraud and duplicate programs.

    please!


    There are two on this page alone. If you are too dishonest to recognize them, please do p!ss off...    



    I've said all along I supported a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. and yes, taxes increases that would hurt me too.

    ^^^^ is not an argument for cuts in waste, fraud and duplicate programs that is more like condoning the party line of "make cuts to increases in spending starting in a year or 2 but raise taxes starting now"

    but, keep bloviating that BS of you argued for spending cuts if, you think you are fooling anyone.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    The private sector has determined they don't have the means or intent of establishing a social safety net...

    ...and those who do give don't give nearly enough.  The days of industry chiefs building hospitals and libraries and parks for the public good are long gone.  

    Govt picks up the slack the private sector is unwilling or unable to accomplish.

     

     

     
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    The private sector has determined they don't have the means or intent of establishing a social safety net...

    ...and those who do give don't give nearly enough.  The days of industry chiefs building hospitals and libraries and parks for the public good are long gone.  

    Govt picks up the slack the private sector is unwilling or unable to accomplish.

     



    The federal govt is a wasteful fraud and could not care more about their own quest for power or less about the quality of life for the american people.

     
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    The private sector has determined they don't have the means or intent of establishing a social safety net...

    ...and those who do give don't give nearly enough.  The days of industry chiefs building hospitals and libraries and parks for the public good are long gone.  

    Govt picks up the slack the private sector is unwilling or unable to accomplish.

     



    The federal govt is a wasteful fraud and could not care more about their own quest for power or less about the quality of life for the american people.

     



    That's true, but at least they pretend to try and even accidentally succeed on occasion.

     

     

     
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    That's true, but at least they pretend to try and even accidentally succeed on occasion.

    Not bad for a festering dungheap.

     

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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    The private sector has determined they don't have the means or intent of establishing a social safety net...

    ...and those who do give don't give nearly enough.  The days of industry chiefs building hospitals and libraries and parks for the public good are long gone.  

    Govt picks up the slack the private sector is unwilling or unable to accomplish.

     



    Govt picks up the "slack" ? Are you delusional?

    First of all, Over the past ten years, charitable giving reached record levels in the United States. To blame private sector charities for not stepping up is false. By the way, when help is given privately, 70% or more of each charitable dollar gets to a worthy recipient. But only about 30% of each tax welfare dollar reaches the needy.”

    There are 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that together represent the single largest budget item—more than the nation spends on Social Security, Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion . That is just the federal piece.

    This is the "slack"?  Much  of the federal largesse  is not sent to those in dire distress...it is no doubt based on the leftist  ideals  of redistribution of wealth.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    The govt should always debate and make sure any increased borrowing is absolutely necessary.

    Do you honestly believe they can find no wasteful spending to cut, fraud to eliminate and duplicate programs to cut?

    Its not about feeding the children or buying grandma medicine as the fear mongers like to portray it. It's about making govt do the hard work of identifying the waste, fraud, and duplicate spending and stopping it when we have such enormous debt and liability!




    I actually agree with this..and this is part of the problem. There is a lot of waste and duplication in government. There is also no financial incentive make things run more efficiently.

    It is not the only issue..but it lends credibility to the argument of the tea party founders ( back before the tea party became the party of the social conservatives rather than the fiscal  conservatives).

    In spite of what skeeter states we do have a revenue problem. To be sure, we also have a spending problem..but we definitely have a revenue problem.  A major part of the decline in revenue, in addition to the tax cuts that do nothing to really fix the economy, is the decline in wages. When workers are earning more..the government benefits, the economy benefits and people benefit. When workers are earning more..they don't need to rely on government assistance to put a roof over their heads..or food on the table.Wages in this country are at an all time low..even while corporate profits are at record levels. It doesn't take a rocket scientist figure out who is really fleecing America.

     
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    Re: Festering dungheaps in congress prepare to refuse to pay bills, payment of which they authorized already.

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    I don't think there is a revenue problem.  There is only a spending problem.

     

     




    Well, then you are wrong. Revenue dropped. That's why there are suddenly huge deficits.

     

    The only new spending by Obama has been the stimulus and green loans in billions. Whether Obamacare in fact costs more waits to be determined.

    Food stamps went up, but then, that's because the economy crashed and millions lost jobs.

     

     

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    In order to have a revenue problem, you would have to buy off on the philosophy that there is a floor below which government does not have enough revenue to fund it's ennumerated powers.  Current revenue is well beyond that point. The government can do what it really needs to do with 60% of what it currently spends.


    Bald assertions.

     

     

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    Examples:  (because I know the left will ask_ stimulus packages, federally based welfare, food stamps , agriculture subsidies, foriegn aid, alternate energy investments, GM investments, grants to Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the like.  Researching shrimps on treadmills, and the list goes on.

     



     

    Well, we know you don't want there be a safety net. You pretend to take the position that charity will step up and fix everything, but you don't really believe it. You just don't give a damn as long as it's not you or your own.

    And basic research? It's not a question of whether it's necessary for us to fund it. We led in science in much of the last century specifically because investment in basic research, NASA, etc. Congress has the power to do it and it should so that we can actually live up to the endless chants of "USA! USA!".

     

    The problem is you are a Jeffersonian, but Hamilton won that debate.



    Revenue is not the issue, and that is not why we havesuch a large deficit.  The only way you get a deficit is by spending too much.  It has little to nothign to do with revenue.  Look at this chart:

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

    Start at say, year 2000, and walk through receipts and outlays year by year.

    Notice something?  Government spending increases dramatically, while receipts are about the same, some years, down a little.

    This is a sign of a spending spending problem, not a revenue problem.

    As far as the economics of the "revenue problem" the left sees: The revenue numbers tell me that we are at the optimal point on the Laffer curve. Attempting to raise revenue at this point is likely to lower receipts.

     
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    I actually agree with this..and this is part of the problem. There is a lot of waste and duplication in government. There is also no financial incentive make things run more efficiently.
    It is not the only issue..but it lends credibility to the argument of the tea party founders ( back before the tea party became the party of the social conservatives rather than the fiscal  conservatives).

    In spite of what skeeter states we do have a revenue problem. To be sure, we also have a spending problem..but we definitely have a revenue problem.  A major part of the decline in revenue, in addition to the tax cuts that do nothing to really fix the economy, is the decline in wages. When workers are earning more..the government benefits, the economy benefits and people benefit. When workers are earning more..they don't need to rely on government assistance to put a roof over their heads..or food on the table.Wages in this country are at an all time low..even while corporate profits are at record levels. It doesn't take a rocket scientist figure out who is really fleecing America.



    We only have a revenue problem because of the govt waste, fraud, and duplicate programs.

     
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    I actually agree with this..and this is part of the problem. There is a lot of waste and duplication in government. There is also no financial incentive make things run more efficiently.
    It is not the only issue..but it lends credibility to the argument of the tea party founders ( back before the tea party became the party of the social conservatives rather than the fiscal  conservatives).

     

     

    In spite of what skeeter states we do have a revenue problem. To be sure, we also have a spending problem..but we definitely have a revenue problem.  A major part of the decline in revenue, in addition to the tax cuts that do nothing to really fix the economy, is the decline in wages. When workers are earning more..the government benefits, the economy benefits and people benefit. When workers are earning more..they don't need to rely on government assistance to put a roof over their heads..or food on the table.Wages in this country are at an all time low..even while corporate profits are at record levels. It doesn't take a rocket scientist figure out who is really fleecing America.

     

     



    We only have a revenue problem because of the govt waste, fraud, and duplicate programs.

     

     

     


    If the candy jar is open! Everyone is going to stick thier hand in!

     

    Even "We the People" in todays world.

    Govt is the problem !!!!! They set the standards> Laws , usually to get re-elected. 

    Why doesn't Owe bama get his own Printer and print some more money, mail some to me please!!



    He isn't interested in mailing money to you.  He is interested in taking money from you and mailing it to someone else.  typically, one of the union hacks who post here.

     
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