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    Why should an employee's healthcare choices be decided by the religious biases of his employer?  What about the rights of them?  Contraception is a moral question?  Only to religious zealots.  

     
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    Religious biases?

     

    I guess you know better than U.S. District Judge Lawrence Zatkoff. Why am I not surprised?

     

    When did guiltless and irresponsible sex become a right?  

     



    It is an obvious religious bias. It is phrased as such.  "Monaghan is a Roman Catholic and said in his suit that he considers contraception a "gravely immoral" practice."

     

    Contraception is part of "irresponsible sex"?  That is bizarre.  Using birth control is obviously taking responsibility for what sex entails.  If you want to feel "guilt" about sex that is a sad testament to your misguided religious education: keep it to yourself and the rest of us will enjoy this natural aspect of the human condition.  

    And again, why should this religious zealot's idiotic views on sex control the healthcare choices of other people who do not share his beliefs?  And yes, I think the judge is wrong.

     
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    In response to NO MO O's comment:

    The country was FOUNDED by many intelligent and freedom loving "religious zealot" patriots.

    File for appeal.

     



    The country was founded at Jamestown as a business proposition.

    Even the Pilgrims had their share of people who did not accept their religious zealotry.

    The Founding Fathers were shaped by the Enlightenment and created a secular state based on the law of reason.

    Pick up a history book.  You know very little about the origins of our nation.

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     
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    The idea that contraception is a moral issue is absurd.  Women cannot help that if they engage in unprotected sex they run the risk of becoming pregnant.  That is simple biology.  So how is society benefitted by playing roulette with every womans vagina?  Women are more than half of the workforce and they should have say over when they want to reproduce. That the owner of a company has an objection to contraception for OTHER PEOPLE should not be cause for concern.  That individual, in true Christian fashion, should be concerned about his own affairs.   I am sure Mr. Monaghan would feel differently if half of his employees all got pregnant and took maternity leave at the same time.  But then again the social conservative angle to all of this is unspoken, the underlying objective is putting women back into the home and out of the workforce and undoing years of progress caused by those nefarious feminists, by stripping away the medical science tools that allow them to compete with men on a level playing field.  Control the uterus and you control the woman. 

    Conservatives like to pretend these laws are in place to encourage SINFUL SEX, but plenty of married couples use birth control (my wife and I do) because we are trying to build our careers and don't want any more children at the moment.  But again, the idea that conservatives are for smaller government is a lie.  They want to be all up in the backsides, vaginas, and urethras of everyone determining who, when, and how people have sex, have children, and who they are doing either with. 

     
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    Women cannot help that if they engage in unprotected sex they run the risk of becoming pregnant.



    The trouble is that his/their position seems to be that the women should just hold aspirin between their knees because some old white men said that an all-powerful invisible man whispered in their ear and told them that, although he created penises and vaginas and then gave them the drive to introduce themselves to each other........actually.....sex is evil.

     

    Of course, these are the same geniuses who think that their all-powerful invisible man who loves everyone created gayness, and then condemned gay people to eternal torture in a big lake of fire.......which incidentally.....was not in the book they said the all-powerful invisible man wrote.

     

    Also, there's that business about hiding dinosaur bones to test our faith in the invisible man whose existence is utterly unsupported by any evidence other than the existence of a book written by the men who said that the invisible man exists.

     

    Whatcha gonna do, eh?



    And where exactly does this anti-contraception doctrine come from?  It is not in the Bible...  A celibate Catholic man made an interpretation of God's will and made a "moral" pronouncement.  Now that pronouncement will impact all women of this company regardless of their acceptance of this faith or this pronouncement.  Sure, that makes rational sense...

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     



    No one is being denied basic health care, particularly the poor.  That is, however, about to change for the worse with Obama care.

     
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    The idea that contraception is a moral issue is absurd.  Women cannot help that if they engage in unprotected sex they run the risk of becoming pregnant.  That is simple biology.  So how is society benefitted by playing roulette with every womans vagina?  Women are more than half of the workforce and they should have say over when they want to reproduce. That the owner of a company has an objection to contraception for OTHER PEOPLE should not be cause for concern.  That individual, in true Christian fashion, should be concerned about his own affairs.   I am sure Mr. Monaghan would feel differently if half of his employees all got pregnant and took maternity leave at the same time.  But then again the social conservative angle to all of this is unspoken, the underlying objective is putting women back into the home and out of the workforce and undoing years of progress caused by those nefarious feminists, by stripping away the medical science tools that allow them to compete with men on a level playing field.  Control the uterus and you control the woman. 

    Conservatives like to pretend these laws are in place to encourage SINFUL SEX, but plenty of married couples use birth control (my wife and I do) because we are trying to build our careers and don't want any more children at the moment.  But again, the idea that conservatives are for smaller government is a lie.  They want to be all up in the backsides, vaginas, and urethras of everyone determining who, when, and how people have sex, have children, and who they are doing either with. 



    If women don't want to run the risk of getting pregnant, don't have sex.

    as far as contraception, the only problem I have is paying for it via health insurance.

    if a man or woman wants contraception, go buy it, knock yourself out. But you don't have a right to have others pay for it.

    is that a reasonable position from one of these hateful Christians to which you push your bigoted remarks?

     
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    Actually, yes millions of people have been denied basic health care for numerous reasons.  If you don't have insurance you can't get preventative care.  No one goes to the emergency room for a physical or a dental cleaning. 

     
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    Actually, yes millions of people have been denied basic health care for numerous reasons.  If you don't have insurance you can't get preventative care.  No one goes to the emergency room for a physical or a dental cleaning. 

     



    What are you talking about? You cannot go to a dentist if you don't have insurance? That's crazy. Most of them are more than happy to take CASH aren't they? In fact they probably prefer it. Same with doctors.

     

    Oh, some people do not have enough money? Why is that? COuld it be their priorities are f'd up and they want us to pay for their health care so they can go buy all sorts of shiite they don't need like booze, cigarettes, cell phones, drugs, junk food, etc?

    And we don't have Medicaid for people that don't have enough money?

    If you don't get preventive care its your own damned fault, not because you don't have enough money.




    Its always black and white with you clowns.  Plenty of hard working well meaning people have their lives devasted by the decisions of others.  The recession is case study in how an individual who has worked his or her life to build wealth and savings woke up one morning to find their 401K's ravaged and a pink slip waiting for them when they got to work.  So when those people try to provide for their families basics needs they can't even afford the absurd rates one has to pay for COBRA coverage because it would literally be a choice between food, a morgage, or other necessities like health care.  The other option?  Take a risk that that no one will get seriously hurt, and hope no one requires recurring prescriptions (like for asthma, diabetes, etc) or else you may find yourself bancrupt and destitute at the mercy of a society that seems far more concerned about stripping away safety net programs than providing a mechanism for people to get access to quality affordable services and a means to live without turning to the government for help.

    Yeah its the "takers" ruining the country, but these takers can't get a living wage (thanks GOP for voting down a minimum wage increase), they can't get health care because thats socialism so even though its the law of the land GOP states are actively working against ACA despite the demonstrated need by its consituents, every few months they have to hold their breath wondering if congress won't fund unemployment because despite recrod profits and a soaring stock market business has been slow to hire preferring instead to sit on growing mounds of cash that is being shipped off shore for safe keeping (and tax avoidance), we can't raise revenues by closing loopholes because the GOP can't fathom a world where people who can afford personal jets might have to pay appropriate taxes on their luxury items.  The GOP actively bashes those that have the least while working their hardest to make sure those same people have no reliable upward mobility. 

     
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    In response to DamainAllen's comment:

    Actually, yes millions of people have been denied basic health care for numerous reasons.  If you don't have insurance you can't get preventative care.  No one goes to the emergency room for a physical or a dental cleaning. 



    What dribble.

     

     
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    It's BS.  Monaghan has no right to know how his employees use health care or what they are using it for.  

    whats next, he wants to be able to fire people who are gay, or people living together, or women that had an abortion?  

     
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    This is a great issue for Republicans - contraception is immoral.  Say good-bye to that Dem strangle-hold on the under 40 crowd!

     

     
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    Actually, yes millions of people have been denied basic health care for numerous reasons.  If you don't have insurance you can't get preventative care.  No one goes to the emergency room for a physical or a dental cleaning. 

     



    What dribble.

     

     



    Yet it is true.  But conservatives like to dismiss facts inconvenient to their point of view.  Maybe a conservative needs to be directly impacted by the issue to understand the issue.  Portman had to have a gay son to understand gay rights.  Maybe you need to lose your job to understand the the reality of the poor.  Empathy is obviously beyond you.  Maybe karma has to get more active. 

     
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    In response to Newtster's comment:

     

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    Why should an employee's healthcare choices be decided by the religious biases of his employer?  What about the rights of them?  Contraception is a moral question?  Only to religious zealots.  

     



    Maybe because he is paying for them and it is his company?? 

     

    Employees can buy their own   contraceptives, can't they?

     

    And why is this guy's religion and "forcing" his morals on his employees and different than you liberals who worship at the alter of government forcing your morals on others?

    Hypcorites.

     



    He's paying for it?  You think the costs of healthcare have no impact on salaries and other benefits?  You think an employer can discriminate just because he owns the place?  Don't be stupid.  

     

    The government is forcing morals on you?  Don't be inane.  Respecting people's diverse viewpoints (like religion in this case) does not hurt you in any way.  

    You really do spew nonsense.

    I hope your employer adopts Christian Science and replaces your healthcare plan with a policy of prayer instead of doctors.  Maybe you need direct exposure to discrimination to understand discrimination.

     
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    It's BS.  Monaghan has no right to know how his employees use health care or what they are using it for.  

    whats next, he wants to be able to fire people who are gay, or people living together, or women that had an abortion?  




    Does government have the right to know how his employees use health care or whatthey are using it for?

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     
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    In response to Reubenhop's comment:

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    The country was FOUNDED by many intelligent and freedom loving "religious zealot" patriots.

    File for appeal.

     

     



    The country was founded at Jamestown as a business proposition.

     

    Even the Pilgrims had their share of people who did not accept their religious zealotry.

    The Founding Fathers were shaped by the Enlightenment and created a secular state based on the law of reason.

    Pick up a history book.  You know very little about the origins of our nation.



    Yet, he is correct in his assertion that the country was founded by religious people.

     

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