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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     
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    The country was FOUNDED by many intelligent and freedom loving "religious zealot" patriots.

    File for appeal.

     

     



    The country was founded at Jamestown as a business proposition.

     

    Even the Pilgrims had their share of people who did not accept their religious zealotry.

    The Founding Fathers were shaped by the Enlightenment and created a secular state based on the law of reason.

    Pick up a history book.  You know very little about the origins of our nation.

     



    Yet, he is correct in his assertion that the country was founded by religious people.

     



    Huh?  Only in the sense that all people have a "religious" sensibility.  The point is that the country was not founded under religious principles.  We started as a business venture and formalized our existence as a secular state.  History.  Read it.

     
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    Why should an employee's healthcare choices be decided by the religious biases of his employer?  What about the rights of them?  Contraception is a moral question?  Only to religious zealots.  

     




    And a Federal Judge

     



    One judge.  The issue is hardly resolved.  

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     
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    The country was FOUNDED by many intelligent and freedom loving "religious zealot" patriots.

    File for appeal.

     

     



    The country was founded at Jamestown as a business proposition.

     

    Even the Pilgrims had their share of people who did not accept their religious zealotry.

    The Founding Fathers were shaped by the Enlightenment and created a secular state based on the law of reason.

    Pick up a history book.  You know very little about the origins of our nation.

     



    Yet, he is correct in his assertion that the country was founded by religious people.

     

     



    Huh?  Only in the sense that all people have a "religious" sensibility.  The point is that the country was not founded under religious principles.  We started as a business venture and formalized our existence as a secular state.  History.  Read it.

     



    You are obviously reading progressive history, which does handstands to distance itself from the truth. by clinging to certain things and ignore others.

    does a secular government ignore things like "rights endowed by our creator"?

    look what the founding fathers did was slick.  They prevented government from interfering with religion.  It was not done the other way , ie.e preventing religion.  You can call that secular if you want, but you are missing the intent, as you are completely hung up on that the funding fathers did not choose a state religion as your proof statement that they were in fact setting up an atheistic nation. Balderdash.

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

     

     



    Care to identify some? Canada ? England? ... Hardly !

     

    And what will this subsidization COST the people who actually work and fund this... new right (gift)?

    Does this apply to our 15+ million 'undocumented guests" (aka illegals) ?

    Working middle class Americana should not settle for less quality care and higher costs in order to bestow another entitlement.



    Yes, any number of countries, indeed all industrial nations, have effective and cheaper healthcare plans for all their people.  No other country wants our system. Go out and investigate the reality.  

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

     

     



    Care to identify some? Canada ? England? ... Hardly !

     

    And what will this subsidization COST the people who actually work and fund this... new right (gift)?

    Does this apply to our 15+ million 'undocumented guests" (aka illegals) ?

    Working middle class Americana should not settle for less quality care and higher costs in order to bestow another entitlement.

     



    Yes, any number of countries, indeed all industrial nations, have effective and cheaper healthcare plans for all their people.  No other country wants our system. Go out and investigate the reality.  

     

     



    Including the reality that we have the best health care in the world?

     

    Selective response warrants repeated asking?

    Care to name a few?

    And what will this subsidization COST the people who actually work and fund this... new right (gift)?

    Does this apply to our 15+ million 'undocumented guests" (aka illegals) ?

    Working middle class Americana should not settle for less quality care and higher costs in order to bestow another entitlement.

     



    We have the most expensive system.  And not all our people have adequate coverage.  So we cannot have the best healthcare.  You don't know much beyond your right wing talking points.  That's no where close to reality...  

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

     

     



    Care to identify some? Canada ? England? ... Hardly !

     

    And what will this subsidization COST the people who actually work and fund this... new right (gift)?

    Does this apply to our 15+ million 'undocumented guests" (aka illegals) ?

    Working middle class Americana should not settle for less quality care and higher costs in order to bestow another entitlement.

     



    Yes, any number of countries, indeed all industrial nations, have effective and cheaper healthcare plans for all their people.  No other country wants our system. Go out and investigate the reality.  

     

     



    Including the reality that we have the best health care in the world?

     

    Selective response warrants repeated asking?

    Care to name a few?

    And what will this subsidization COST the people who actually work and fund this... new right (gift)?

    Does this apply to our 15+ million 'undocumented guests" (aka illegals) ?

    Working middle class Americana should not settle for less quality care and higher costs in order to bestow another entitlement.

     

     



    We have the most expensive system.  And not all our people have adequate coverage.  So we cannot have the best healthcare.  You don't know much beyond your right wing talking points.  That's no where close to reality...  

     

     



    Again, working people who have insurance must pony up more of their hard earned (and heavily taxed) dollars to subsidize others.. including those criminals that have invaded our country? 

     

     Do you have a problem with specifics counselor ?

    Selective response warrants repeated asking?

    Care to name a few?

    Cite a country that we should use as a model.  

     



    Britain is the model.  Germany is the model. Japan is the model.  National health for all their citizens at substantially less cost than our haphazard system.  Treatment for the sick and injured without bankruptcy!  What a thought.  Something beyond your limited grasp of reality no doubt.  

    But, let's face it: you don't care about caring for other people.  They are poor, lazy and non-white.  In your book they deserve nothing.  They are not your kind of human...

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

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    and, by your logic, no one should deny you the right to eat at the resteraunt in town, and have someone else pick up the bill.

    what is your problem with capitalism? It built the medical system that you and your socialist buddies are intent on stealing ,under the pretext of "helping the poor".

    you are not entitled to have elective or extraordinary health care at someone else's expense.  

    That's what you are proposing.  It is morally bankrupt to think that.

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

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    and, by your logic, no one should deny you the right to eat at the resteraunt in town, and have someone else pick up the bill.

    what is your problem with capitalism? It built the medical system that you and your socialist buddies are intent on stealing ,under the pretext of "helping the poor".

    you are not entitled to have elective or extraordinary health care at someone else's expense.  

    That's what you are proposing.  It is morally bankrupt to think that.



    Capitalism does not work in all situations.  What is your problem with a social contract: of people helping each other in a collective way?  Where is your empathy for the downtrodden?  Taxes are not theft.  Government is not a criminal conspiracy.  Government is us.  

    And don't lie.  It is not about "elective" or "extraordinary" healthcare, you want no government coverage at all.  The sick will just be left to die and you don't care.  

    You apparently are a Social Darwinist Christian.  Now THAT is a morally bankrupt concept.

    Hope Karma comes to you soon. 

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

    [/QUOT

    and, by your logic, no one should deny you the right to eat at the resteraunt in town, and have someone else pick up the bill.

    what is your problem with capitalism? It built the medical system that you and your socialist buddies are intent on stealing ,under the pretext of "helping the poor".

    you are not entitled to have elective or extraordinary health care at someone else's expense.  

    That's what you are proposing.  It is morally bankrupt to think that.

     



    Capitalism does not work in all situations.  What is your problem with a social contract: of people helping each other in a collective way?  Where is your empathy for the downtrodden?  Taxes are not theft.  Government is not a criminal conspiracy.  Government is us.  

     

    And don't lie.  It is not about "elective" or "extraordinary" healthcare, you want no government coverage at all.  The sick will just be left to die and you don't care.  

    You apparently are a Social Darwinist Christian.  Now THAT is a morally bankrupt concept.

    Hope Karma comes to you soon. 

     



    Collective? You mean everyone but you kick in.

     

    i get it. You simply do not understand the benefits of capitalism over socialism.  yet, your system fails every time it is tried.  It promises great things like sharing the wealth, but in practice only shares the misery.  That's the real world result of these grand socialist experiments.

    better to encourage people to look out for their brother.  That's the real solution.

    and knock it off with the cheap slimy attacks on the christian faith, for your own good.  Makes you look small and petty, and unable to argue the facts.  You are better than that. 

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

    [/QUOT

    and, by your logic, no one should deny you the right to eat at the resteraunt in town, and have someone else pick up the bill.

    what is your problem with capitalism? It built the medical system that you and your socialist buddies are intent on stealing ,under the pretext of "helping the poor".

    you are not entitled to have elective or extraordinary health care at someone else's expense.  

    That's what you are proposing.  It is morally bankrupt to think that.

     



    Capitalism does not work in all situations.  What is your problem with a social contract: of people helping each other in a collective way?  Where is your empathy for the downtrodden?  Taxes are not theft.  Government is not a criminal conspiracy.  Government is us.  

     

    And don't lie.  It is not about "elective" or "extraordinary" healthcare, you want no government coverage at all.  The sick will just be left to die and you don't care.  

    You apparently are a Social Darwinist Christian.  Now THAT is a morally bankrupt concept.

    Hope Karma comes to you soon. 

     



    Collective? You mean everyone but you kick in.

     

    i get it. You simply do not understand the benefits of capitalism over socialism.  yet, your system fails every time it is tried.  It promises great things like sharing the wealth, but in practice only shares the misery.  That's the real world result of these grand socialist experiments.

    better to encourage people to look out for their brother.  That's the real solution.

    and knock it off with the cheap slimy attacks on the christian faith, for your own good.  Makes you look small and petty, and unable to argue the facts.  You are better than that. 

     



    Collective? Yes, you know, man is a social animal and often makes decisions in a group context. It, of course, includes me.  I want it.  You want to go your own selfish way. 

     

    This is no "grand socialist experiment".  It is national healthcare, something other countries have had for years and years.  They cover all their people at less overall cost.  No one with "socialized" medicine wants our system.  You think all those people, all those different countries are just plain stupid?  No.  It is just the reverse. 

    Banking on charity is inane.  Where is this charity for all the people bankrupt from medical bills?  No where. 

    And you don't appreciate being called out on your faith?  Well, you brought up "moral bankruptcy".  Fire with fire, my friend.  Being a Social Darwinist and a Christian is a morally bankrupt state.  Stop being a oxymoron and be a little more human.

     
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    Some of these so-called 'christians' have yet to reconcile how denying poor and working  people access to basic health care fits with their religious "values".

    A free-market, 'survival of the fittest'-style health care system has proven to be decidedly 'un-christian'.

     

     



    Again, for the millionth time, no one, NO ONE, is being denied acces to health care in this country.  This hasn't been an issue for decades, if ever.

     

     



    Your statement is manifestly untrue.  Just because you have access to critical care does not mean you have access to all care.  That's the problem with a profit driven system: poor people can't get you the profits.

     

     

     



    No, my statement is accurate.

     

    you walk into any emergency room, you get treatment. should you want treatment beyond what is offered, you pay for it, either out of pocket, or through insurance.

    you are attempting to create coverge of any and all health care as A Right. Though well meaning, it is preposterous.  is it your right to have someone else pay for elective surgery?

     

     



    No you are wrong.  This is not about politics (rights and the like) it is about factual reality.  If you don't have money in America's profit driven system you will not get treatment (unless it is critical care).  So your version of reality is preposterous.  And many countries do cover all their people regardless of income and they manage qute nicely.  Discounting such an aternative reality is also preposterous.  Ideologues are preposterous.

     

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    and, by your logic, no one should deny you the right to eat at the resteraunt in town, and have someone else pick up the bill.

    what is your problem with capitalism? It built the medical system that you and your socialist buddies are intent on stealing ,under the pretext of "helping the poor".

    you are not entitled to have elective or extraordinary health care at someone else's expense.  

    That's what you are proposing.  It is morally bankrupt to think that.

     



    Capitalism does not work in all situations.  What is your problem with a social contract: of people helping each other in a collective way?  Where is your empathy for the downtrodden?  Taxes are not theft.  Government is not a criminal conspiracy.  Government is us.  

     

    And don't lie.  It is not about "elective" or "extraordinary" healthcare, you want no government coverage at all.  The sick will just be left to die and you don't care.  

    You apparently are a Social Darwinist Christian.  Now THAT is a morally bankrupt concept.

    Hope Karma comes to you soon. 

     



    Collective? You mean everyone but you kick in.

     

    i get it. You simply do not understand the benefits of capitalism over socialism.  yet, your system fails every time it is tried.  It promises great things like sharing the wealth, but in practice only shares the misery.  That's the real world result of these grand socialist experiments.

    better to encourage people to look out for their brother.  That's the real solution.

    and knock it off with the cheap slimy attacks on the christian faith, for your own good.  Makes you look small and petty, and unable to argue the facts.  You are better than that. 

     



    Collective? Yes, you know, man is a social animal and often makes decisions in a group context. It, of course, includes me.  I want it.  You want to go your own selfish way. 

     

    This is no "grand socialist experiment".  It is national healthcare, something other countries have had for years and years.  They cover all their people at less overall cost.  No one with "socialized" medicine wants our system.  You think all those people, all those different countries are just plain stupid?  No.  It is just the reverse. 

    Banking on charity is inane.  Where is this charity for all the people bankrupt from medical bills?  No where. 

    And you don't appreciate being called out on your faith?  Well, you brought up "moral bankruptcy".  Fire with fire, my friend.  Being a Social Darwinist and a Christian is a morally bankrupt state.  Stop being a oxymoron and be a little more human.




    Funny how your only retort to pointing out how your grand socialist ideas have never worked anywhere is that I'm selfish, not a good christian, etc.

    Stop accusing everyone of the worst possible motives and motivation for simply having an opinion better than yours.  This old "liberal shouting in my face" speaking truth to power game is getting old.  Attacking me personally does not make your ideas work, in fact, it pretty much means you can't show that they will work.  You need to understand that.

    However, my idea, that capitalism works, is proven.  No other economic system has raised so many out of poverty and into a more comfortable life.  So much so that the "poor" in our country, fo example, are not even poor by world standards.

    Yet elsewhere, where these government systems running health care and everything else, people live in abject poverty, and their leaders come here for health care.  Doesn't that tell you something?  Anything?  Doesn't that cause you to stop and think about the consequences of the actions you propose?

    So, on the facts, I beat your argument, everytime.  And your response is always the same:  If I don't agree with your socialist proposition, I am a bad person, immoral to the core.

    Advance your argument along a different line, please.

     

     

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