First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

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    First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    More proof that the imminent threat to the First Amendment from campaign regulations is real...the Democrats are out to muzzle the opposition in the guise of "regulating" political campaigns...it isnt just campaign contributions which they want to regulate and rig, but even books. 


     The chairman of the Federal Election Commission today blasted Democratic colleagues opposed to his effort to protect conservative media after they imposed rules on the publisher of Rep. Paul Ryan's new book, opening the door to future book regulations -- or even a ban.


    “By failing to affirm this publisher’s constitutional right, statutory right, to disseminate a political book free from FEC conditions and regulations, we have effectively asserted regulatory jurisdiction over a book publisher,” warned Chairman Lee E. Goodman, one of three Republicans on the six-person FEC.


    “That failure reveals a festering legal uncertainty and chill for the free press rights of books and book publishers to publish and disseminate political books free from government regulation,” he added.


    His comments after the FEC OK'd Republican Ryan’s request to promote his new book, The Way Forward, were immediately and sharply rebuked by Democratic Commissioner Ellen L. Weintraub. “No one is banning books,” she said.


    Since becoming chairman, Goodman has been pushing to expand protections for all media and has noted how Democrats on the panel have been eager to nick at freedoms for conservative media while Republicans have been voting for broader protections even for liberals like Democratic financier George Soros.


    He recently warned that conservative online media, like the Drudge Report, could face regulation as Democrats move to tighten the so-called “media exemption” that lets the press cover politics any way they want.


    In the case of the Ryan book, publisher Grand Central Publishing sought the broad media exemption from regulation, but Democrats rejected that and pushed for a different, commercial, exemption that imposes rules over the publisher’s politics and book pricing. Republicans went along and the commission approved that 6-0.


    The commission also ruled that while Ryan can have his campaign and PAC buy books to give out, the promotion on his websites has to be limited to two sentences. There were concerns raised by Weintraub that Ryan was trying to profit off sales of the book promoted on his websites. Republicans carried that to victory in a 4-2 vote.


    Goodman said the mixed decision for Ryan was another missed chance by the FEC to publicly show support for press freedom.


    “This commission should stand up and recognize that books qualify for the media exemption and that book publishers can publish, market and disseminate their books on the same basis that the Washington Post, New York Times and Washington Examiner can,” he said.

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    It's strange. This unattributed source goes to great length to characterize Democrats as trying to "regulate or ban" Paul Ryan's book, but when we actually get down to the meet of it, we learn:

    1. Republicans fully agreed with Democrats on one point.

    2. Republicans scored a victory over Democrats on another point.

     

    "In the case of the Ryan book, publisher Grand Central Publishing sought the broad media exemption from regulation, but Democrats rejected that and pushed for a different, commercial, exemption that imposes rules over the publisher’s politics and book pricing. Republicans went along and the commission approved that 6-0.

    The commission also ruled that while Ryan can have his campaign and PAC buy books to give out, the promotion on his websites has to be limited to two sentences. There were concerns raised by Weintraub that Ryan was trying to profit off sales of the book promoted on his websites. Republicans carried that to victory in a 4-2 vote."

     

    He writes (or ghost-writes more likely, with these people) a book, and then has his PAC(s) buy it to distribute. SHOULDN'T that be regulated?

    Isn't that rife for abuse? It would be more or less a way for politicians to directly personally pocket campaign donations to their PACs.

     

     

     

    From his source:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    It's strange. This unattributed source goes to great length to characterize Democrats as trying to "regulate or ban" Paul Ryan's book, but when we actually get down to the meet of it, we learn:

    1. Republicans fully agreed with Democrats on one point.

    2. Republicans scored a victory over Democrats on another point.

     

    "In the case of the Ryan book, publisher Grand Central Publishing sought the broad media exemption from regulation, but Democrats rejected that and pushed for a different, commercial, exemption that imposes rules over the publisher’s politics and book pricing. Republicans went along and the commission approved that 6-0.

    The commission also ruled that while Ryan can have his campaign and PAC buy books to give out, the promotion on his websites has to be limited to two sentences. There were concerns raised by Weintraub that Ryan was trying to profit off sales of the book promoted on his websites. Republicans carried that to victory in a 4-2 vote."

     

    He writes (or ghost-writes more likely, with these people) a book, and then has his PAC(s) buy it to distribute. SHOULDN'T that be regulated?

    Isn't that rife for abuse? It would be more or less a way for politicians to directly personally pocket campaign donations to their PACs.

     

     

     

    From his source:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197

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    Well, no. It shouldn't be regulated. There is too darn much regulation everywhere.

    when government makes these decisions, the potential for abuse is too large.

     

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

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    It's strange. This unattributed source goes to great length to characterize Democrats as trying to "regulate or ban" Paul Ryan's book, but when we actually get down to the meet of it, we learn:




    1. Republicans fully agreed with Democrats on one point.




    2. Republicans scored a victory over Democrats on another point.




     




    "In the case of the Ryan book, publisher Grand Central Publishing sought the broad media exemption from regulation, but Democrats rejected that and pushed for a different, commercial, exemption that imposes rules over the publisher’s politics and book pricing. Republicans went along and the commission approved that 6-0.




    The commission also ruled that while Ryan can have his campaign and PAC buy books to give out, the promotion on his websites has to be limited to two sentences. There were concerns raised by Weintraub that Ryan was trying to profit off sales of the book promoted on his websites. Republicans carried that to victory in a 4-2 vote."




     




    He writes (or ghost-writes more likely, with these people) a book, and then has his PAC(s) buy it to distribute. SHOULDN'T that be regulated?




    Isn't that rife for abuse? It would be more or less a way for politicians to directly personally pocket campaign donations to their PACs.




     




     




     




    From his source:




    http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonexaminer.com/fec-chair-warns-of-chilling-regulations-book-ban-on-conservative-publishers/article/2551197




     





    The concerns raised by the Chairman of the FEC are valid....the fact that the Republicans on the FCC decided to compromise on some of these votes , only means they compromised, in the face of the rabid Democrats wanting to micro-regulate and expand the FEC powers....


     


     


    We get this type of attack all the time from our poster "high road"....if Republicans dont compromise , they are  partisan loons...if Republicans do compromise on occasion, they are hypocrites and can't dare even mention any of their principles...got it..

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    This isn't about the first amendment - this is about what everything Republicans do is about - money & power.  Should Paul Ryan be allowed to promote his book on the web site built with tax-payer money?  Should a PAC that cannot legally collaborate with Paul Ryan be allowed to promote a book that puts money in his pocket?

     

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

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    This isn't about the first amendment - this is about what everything Republicans do is about - money & power.  Should Paul Ryan be allowed to promote his book on the web site built with tax-payer money?  Should a PAC that cannot legally collaborate with Paul Ryan be allowed to promote a book that puts money in his pocket?


     




    You clearly belong as a Democrat regulator on the Federal Elections Commission.


    Nakedly partisan and using regulations to muzzle your political opponents.


    That darn First Amendment, always getting in the way, though....

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    In response to slomag's comment:

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    This isn't about the first amendment - this is about what everything Republicans do is about - money & power.  Should Paul Ryan be allowed to promote his book on the web site built with tax-payer money?  Should a PAC that cannot legally collaborate with Paul Ryan be allowed to promote a book that puts money in his pocket?

     

     

     

     

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    You clearly belong as a Democrat regulator on the Federal Elections Commission.

     

     

    Nakedly partisan and using regulations to muzzle your political opponents.

     

    That darn First Amendment, always getting in the way, though....

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    Are you suggesting that Paul Ryan is "the press"?

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

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    We get this type of attack all the time from our poster "high road"....if Republicans dont compromise , they are  partisan loons...if Republicans do compromise on occasion, they are hypocrites and can't dare even mention any of their principles...got it..




    We get this all the time from CLC ... the libruls used Jedi mindtricks or something to force wingnuts to vote against their 'core' beliefs.


    It's quite the handy excuse ... "They made us do it..."


    Hilarious!!!


     

     
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    In response to high-road's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    We get this type of attack all the time from our poster "high road"....if Republicans dont compromise , they are  partisan loons...if Republicans do compromise on occasion, they are hypocrites and can't dare even mention any of their principles...got it..

    [/QUOTE]

    We get this all the time from CLC ... the libruls used Jedi mindtricks or something to force wingnuts to vote against their 'core' beliefs.

    Hilarious!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    So that's how you almost got me to vote for Obama.

     
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    In response to slomag's comment:


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    This isn't about the first amendment - this is about what everything Republicans do is about - money & power.  Should Paul Ryan be allowed to promote his book on the web site built with tax-payer money?  Should a PAC that cannot legally collaborate with Paul Ryan be allowed to promote a book that puts money in his pocket?


     


     


     


     




    You clearly belong as a Democrat regulator on the Federal Elections Commission.


     


     


    Nakedly partisan and using regulations to muzzle your political opponents.


     


    That darn First Amendment, always getting in the way, though....


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    The 1st amendment isn't absolute.


    This has nothing to do with the 1st amendment ... and everything to do with circumventing the law.


    Ryan cannot personally profit from campaign contributions. To get around the law he simply had his campaign buy the books and the profit from those sales goes directly into his pocket. It is straight-up fraud.

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    In response to high-road's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

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    In response to slomag's comment:

     

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    This isn't about the first amendment - this is about what everything Republicans do is about - money & power.  Should Paul Ryan be allowed to promote his book on the web site built with tax-payer money?  Should a PAC that cannot legally collaborate with Paul Ryan be allowed to promote a book that puts money in his pocket?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    You clearly belong as a Democrat regulator on the Federal Elections Commission.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Nakedly partisan and using regulations to muzzle your political opponents.

     

     

     

    That darn First Amendment, always getting in the way, though....

     

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    The 1st amendment isn't absolute.

     

    This has nothing to do with the 1st amendment ... and everything to do with circumventing the law.

     

    Ryan cannot personally profit from campaign contributions. To get around the law he simply had his campaign buy the books and the profit from those sales goes directly into his pocket. It is straight-up fraud.

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    This is so much different than what the democrats do. They have 3rd party organizations buy the books. Then, these organizations ship the unopened cartons to warehouses where they sit for eternity.

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    Of course,progressives have taken up where socialist Stalin and fassist hitler left off

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    One should not be surprised at liberals attacking free speech, and some Republicans going along for the ride. What is McCain-Feingold about if not the limitation of free speech? And of course it limits free speech at the most opportune time for incumbents - during an election.

    Liberals are always gunning for restricting speech of opposing ideas, they don't give a shiite about free speech. They invented politically correct speech to intimidate opponents. They are constantly looking for ways to censor free speech with ideas like the Fairness Doctrine and putting censors in newsrooms.

     

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:
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    You judge this just by the letters next to the names?

     
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    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
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    You judge this just by the letters next to the names?

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    That is my reaction to meaningless distraction statements like "You clearly belong as a Democrat regulator on the Federal Elections Commission.Nakedly partisan and using regulations to muzzle your political opponents. That darn First Amendment, always getting in the way, though...."

     

     

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    The Federal Elections Commission should not have "limited" the promotion of Paul Ryan's book on his website to "two sentences"...

    That is what the FEC chairman is addressing.. the liberal Democrats on the FEC want to expand regulatory  authority ...

    "two sentences" will soon be "no sentences"...and then they will decide in their review of regulations, that  political opponents cant publish a book, sorry, against regulations....

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

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    The Federal Elections Commission should not have "limited" the promotion of Paul Ryan's book on his website to "two sentences"...

    That is what the FEC chairman is addressing.. the liberal Democrats on the FEC want to expand regulatory  authority ...

    "two sentences" will soon be "no sentences"...and then they will decide in their review of regulations, that  political opponents cant publish a book, sorry, against regulations....

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    That's a leap.  Writing the book is fine.  Publishing the book is fine.  Using his office to promote the book - that's not so fine.  You want Obama hawking 'Hard Choices' during the next SOTU address?

     
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    Re: First Amendment at risk from campaign regulations: FEC chair warns of chill on free press rights of books

    In response to slomag's comment:
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:
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    The Federal Elections Commission should not have "limited" the promotion of Paul Ryan's book on his website to "two sentences"...

    That is what the FEC chairman is addressing.. the liberal Democrats on the FEC want to expand regulatory  authority ...

    "two sentences" will soon be "no sentences"...and then they will decide in their review of regulations, that  political opponents cant publish a book, sorry, against regulations....

    [/QUOTE]

    That's a leap.  Writing the book is fine.  Publishing the book is fine.  Using his office to promote the book - that's not so fine.  You want Obama hawking 'Hard Choices' during the next SOTU address?

    [/QUOTE]


    Obama can hawk any book he wants during his SOTU addresss.... it is none of the FEC's business..

     
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