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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/11/obama_the_moderate_republican_what_the_2012_election_should_teach_the_gop.html

    Dear Republicans,

    Sorry about the election. I know how much it hurts when your presidential candidate loses. I’ve been there many times. You’re crestfallen. You can’t believe the public voted for that idiot. You fear for your country.

    Cheer up. The guy we just re-elected is a moderate Republican.

    I know how stupid that sounds. Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. For five years, conservative politicians and media told you he was a raving socialist. In the heat of the campaign, when you’re trying to beat the guy, it’s hard to let go of that image of him, just as it’s hard for Democrats to see past the caricatures of Mitt Romney. But now that the campaign is over and you’re staring at a second Obama term, the falsity of the propaganda may come as a relief. By and large, Obama’s instincts are the instincts of a moderate Republican. His policies are the policies of a moderate Republican. He stands where the GOP used to stand and will someday stand again.

    Yes, Obama began his presidency with bailouts, stimulus, and borrowing. You know who started the bailouts? George W. Bush. Bush knew that under these exceptionally dire circumstances, bailouts had to be done. Stimulus had to be done, too, since the economy had frozen up. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred. It’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates. Now he’s proposing to lower corporate tax rates, and Republicans are whining that he hacked $716 billion out of Medicare. Some socialist.

    Yes, Obama imposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. You know who else did that? Romney. You know where the idea came from? The Heritage Foundation. Personal responsibility—insisting that people carry private insurance so we don’t have to bail them out in emergency rooms and hospitals—was a Republican idea. Same with Wall Street reform: There’s nothing conservative about letting financial institutions gamble with other people’s money in ways that would force us to bail them out again. Even Obama’s cap-and-trade proposal echoed the market-based emissions-control policies of the 1990 Bush administration and the 2008 McCain campaign. And last year, when the EPA proposed a new air-pollution limit, Obama ticked off environmentalists by killing it on the grounds that it might jeopardize the recovery.

    Remember how Democrats ridiculed George W. Bush’s troop surge in Iraq? Obama copied it in Afghanistan. He escalated the drone program, killing off al-Qaida’s leaders. He sent SEAL Team 6 into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. He teamed up with NATO to take down Muammar Qaddafi. He reneged on his pledge to close Guantanamo Bay. He put together a globally enforced regime of sanctions that is bringing Iran’s economy to its knees. That’s why Romney had nothing to say in last month’s foreign policy debate. No sensible Republican president would have done things differently.

    Obama’s no right-winger. You might have serious issues with his Supreme Court justices or his moves on immigration or the Bush tax cuts. But you probably would have had similar issues with Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford. Obama’s in the same mold as those guys. So don’t despair. Your country didn’t vote for a socialist tonight. It voted for the candidate of traditional Republican moderation. What should gall you, haunt you, and goad you to think about the future of your party is that that candidate wasn’t yours.

     
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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/11/obama_the_moderate_republican_what_the_2012_election_should_teach_the_gop.html

    Dear Republicans,

    Sorry about the election. I know how much it hurts when your presidential candidate loses. I’ve been there many times. You’re crestfallen. You can’t believe the public voted for that idiot. You fear for your country.

    Cheer up. The guy we just re-elected is a moderate Republican.

    I know how stupid that sounds. Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. For five years, conservative politicians and media told you he was a raving socialist. In the heat of the campaign, when you’re trying to beat the guy, it’s hard to let go of that image of him, just as it’s hard for Democrats to see past the caricatures of Mitt Romney. But now that the campaign is over and you’re staring at a second Obama term, the falsity of the propaganda may come as a relief. By and large, Obama’s instincts are the instincts of a moderate Republican. His policies are the policies of a moderate Republican. He stands where the GOP used to stand and will someday stand again.

    Yes, Obama began his presidency with bailouts, stimulus, and borrowing. You know who started the bailouts? George W. Bush. Bush knew that under these exceptionally dire circumstances, bailouts had to be done. Stimulus had to be done, too, since the economy had frozen up. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred. It’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates. Now he’s proposing to lower corporate tax rates, and Republicans are whining that he hacked $716 billion out of Medicare. Some socialist.

    Yes, Obama imposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. You know who else did that? Romney. You know where the idea came from? The Heritage Foundation. Personal responsibility—insisting that people carry private insurance so we don’t have to bail them out in emergency rooms and hospitals—was a Republican idea. Same with Wall Street reform: There’s nothing conservative about letting financial institutions gamble with other people’s money in ways that would force us to bail them out again. Even Obama’s cap-and-trade proposal echoed the market-based emissions-control policies of the 1990 Bush administration and the 2008 McCain campaign. And last year, when the EPA proposed a new air-pollution limit, Obama ticked off environmentalists by killing it on the grounds that it might jeopardize the recovery.

    Remember how Democrats ridiculed George W. Bush’s troop surge in Iraq? Obama copied it in Afghanistan. He escalated the drone program, killing off al-Qaida’s leaders. He sent SEAL Team 6 into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. He teamed up with NATO to take down Muammar Qaddafi. He reneged on his pledge to close Guantanamo Bay. He put together a globally enforced regime of sanctions that is bringing Iran’s economy to its knees. That’s why Romney had nothing to say in last month’s foreign policy debate. No sensible Republican president would have done things differently.

    Obama’s no right-winger. You might have serious issues with his Supreme Court justices or his moves on immigration or the Bush tax cuts. But you probably would have had similar issues with Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford. Obama’s in the same mold as those guys. So don’t despair. Your country didn’t vote for a socialist tonight. It voted for the candidate of traditional Republican moderation. What should gall you, haunt you, and goad you to think about the future of your party is that that candidate wasn’t yours.



    Obama a moderate republican?  DWL:  you don't really believe that, do you?  If so, you are not as smart as I thought you are.  More likely, you think it is fine to lie about your president in order to get your way.

    The lies to cover the radical change that is about to be foisted on us has started.

     

     
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    At least we won't hear any more blame about the previous administration anymore.



    Oh, that's going to  continue.  This calling Obama a moderate is coming from several sources.  It is the big lie, being spread to put us all to sleep while they engineer a dramatic and likely permant change to the social and economic fabric of our country that will forever lock in socialism and elinimnate our god-given freedoms.  

    But, rest assured, you will still have the freedom to boink whatever or whoever you want, complete with government paid contraception.  Sad what this country has devoled into.  Bunch of animals more concerned with sex than with their own well being.

    This is not the country I grew up in.  I don't recognize it.

     
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    Obama a moderate republican?  DWL:  you don't really believe that, do you?  If so, you are not as smart as I thought you are.  More likely, you think it is fine to lie about your president in order to get your way.

    The lies to cover the radical change that is about to be foisted on us has started.

     



    Well you are the one who thinks Bush was no conservative.  So you must think liberalism infects the G.O.P. to a large extent. The facts related above put a lot of Obama's policies squarely in the Republican camp.  Call it the liberal or moderate Republican camp, but it is clearly not a radical leftist camp.  Are these facts actually lies?  Can you address the information of the article?  Or are you going to duck it and just keep ranting.

 
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    But, rest assured, you will still have the freedom to boink whatever or whoever you want, complete with government paid contraception.  Sad what this country has devoled into.  Bunch of animals more concerned with sex than with their own well being.

    This is not the country I grew up in.  I don't recognize it.



    Where on earth do you come up with this from?  Obama's policies contribute to creating people as boinking animals?  You have some sexual hang-ups for sure.

    I don't want to live in a country with your moral precepts.  Puritan scolds are a pain.

     
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    Obama a moderate republican?  DWL:  you don't really believe that, do you?  If so, you are not as smart as I thought you are.  More likely, you think it is fine to lie about your president in order to get your way.

    The lies to cover the radical change that is about to be foisted on us has started.

     



    Well you are the one who thinks Bush was no conservative.  So you must think liberalism infects the G.O.P. to a large extent. The facts related above put a lot of Obama's policies squarely in the Republican camp.  Call it the liberal or moderate Republican camp, but it is clearly not a radical leftist camp.  Are these facts actually lies?  Can you address the information of the article?  Or are you going to duck it and just keep ranting.

     

    You really think Obama is a moderate?  Man, that's just insane.

    Bush, in the main, wasn't a conservative.  He did a couple of conservative things, but consider the agenda Obama is laying out today, vis a vis Bush:

    Immigration reform:  Bush was for it.

    Defense cutbacks:  prior to 911, bush was for it.  That was the whole strategy with picking Rumsfeld, capture the peace dividend.  The defense contractors were up in arms with that pick.  His initial marching orders were to slim down the military, remember? 911 happened, and he had to switch gears.

    Healthcare:  Prescription drugs paid for by government. I.e. another step towards socialized medicine.  Bush also put Roberts on SOTUS, which in turn repaid the conservatives by ignoring the constitution and declaring socialized medicine constitutional.

    Deficit spending:  Bush did it, not as much as Obama, but he didn't shy away from it.  A liberal approach to economics.  He also appointed Bernanke, who is culpable in destroying the American economy.

    Bailout the auto industry:  you keep telling me Bush did it, so that makes him a liberal, right?  After all, you keep slapping Obama on the back for the GM bailout, until it is troubling, then you blame Bush.  So, I figure the concept of bailing out GM is a liberal idea.

    So, let me sum it up this way.  Don't you know what down my back and tell me it’s raining.  Obama is a radical.  We are about to see how much of a radical.  Don't try to sell this Axelrod creation that Obama is a moderate.  You would need to be an idiot to believe that.

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    At least we won't hear any more blame about the previous administration anymore.



    Oh, that's going to  continue.  This calling Obama a moderate is coming from several sources.  It is the big lie, being spread to put us all to sleep while they engineer a dramatic and likely permant change to the social and economic fabric of our country that will forever lock in socialism and elinimnate our god-given freedoms.  

    But, rest assured, you will still have the freedom to boink whatever or whoever you want, complete with government paid contraception.  Sad what this country has devoled into.  Bunch of animals more concerned with sex than with their own well being.

    This is not the country I grew up in.  I don't recognize it.



    "Your country", if it even existed, hasn't been around for decades and it's not coming back.  Thank god.

     
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    You really think Obama is a moderate?  Man, that's just insane.

    Bush, in the main, wasn't a conservative.  He did a couple of conservative things, but consider the agenda Obama is laying out today, vis a vis Bush:

    Immigration reform:  Bush was for it.

    Defense cutbacks:  prior to 911, bush was for it.  That was the whole strategy with picking Rumsfeld, capture the peace dividend.  The defense contractors were up in arms with that pick.  His initial marching orders were to slim down the military, remember? 911 happened, and he had to switch gears.

    Healthcare:  Prescription drugs paid for by government. I.e. another step towards socialized medicine.  Bush also put Roberts on SOTUS, which in turn repaid the conservatives by ignoring the constitution and declaring socialized medicine constitutional.

    Deficit spending:  Bush did it, not as much as Obama, but he didn't shy away from it.  A liberal approach to economics.  He also appointed Bernanke, who is culpable in destroying the American economy.

    Bailout the auto industry:  you keep telling me Bush did it, so that makes him a liberal, right?  After all, you keep slapping Obama on the back for the GM bailout, until it is troubling, then you blame Bush.  So, I figure the concept of bailing out GM is a liberal idea.

    So, let me sum it up this way.  Don't you know what down my back and tell me it’s raining.  Obama is a radical.  We are about to see how much of a radical.  Don't try to sell this Axelrod creation that Obama is a moderate.  You would need to be an idiot to believe that.

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    You gave many examples of suppposed liberal Obama and supposed conservatve Bush having similar policies.  And your conclusion based on these facts is that is is "insane" to regard Obama as moderate.  You have a problem with basic logic.  

     
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    Ok folks, here's a shocker... Not being a conservative doesn't make you a liberal.  If you aren't a conservative and you aren't a liberal, you are a ..... Moderate.

    The radical change is what the Tea Party wants.  A dramatic decrease in taxes and the size of government would be a RADICAL CHANGE.

    The basic ideas of Obamacare came from the Heritage Foundation (I think or some other equally conservative think tank).  It's based on the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.  Instead of the government providing health Care coverage, it forces individuals to take personal responsibility.

    The reason the righties in the Senate and Congress were against Obamacare was because it was from Obama.  They had painted Obama as a Socialist so they labeled a conservative idea as an example of socialism because the knew from experience many of you would believe it.

     

     
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    Bush was a conservative republican who was advised mostly by more conservative republicans...whom served to make him look moderate by comparison.

    Obama is not a moderate republican.  He is, however, a conservative democrat.  And I do think there is a difference.

    Much like the society which guides it, the political spectrum is increasingly blurred, IMO, with the vast bulk of elected officials (NOT the motley group of people running for office) hovering around the political center.  [In gridiron terms, I would peg them at somewhere between the 40s.]

    The very idea that hundreds of millions of dollars would be spent to elect a 'radical socialist' defies all political logic.

     

     
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    At least we won't hear any more blame about the previous administration anymore.



    Oh, that's going to  continue.  This calling Obama a moderate is coming from several sources.  It is the big lie, being spread to put us all to sleep while they engineer a dramatic and likely permant change to the social and economic fabric of our country that will forever lock in socialism and elinimnate our god-given freedoms.  

    But, rest assured, you will still have the freedom to boink whatever or whoever you want, complete with government paid contraception.  Sad what this country has devoled into.  Bunch of animals more concerned with sex than with their own well being.

    This is not the country I grew up in.  I don't recognize it.



    "Your country", if it even existed, hasn't been around for decades and it's not coming back.  Thank god.



    Yah, this country will be so much better with half of mexico's poor occupying it, free birth control for kindergartners, dope stores on every corner, and EBT cards for everyone.

    Look, not only is liberalism moral bankrupt, if is econommically unsustainable.  Bottom line:  It is the ideology of the stupid.

     
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