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France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    I suppose the upside to all this idiocy is maybe - just maybe - if people keep deliberately pissing off fundamentalists, they'll eventually get tired and take a nap.



    This disregards why they became fundamentalists.

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums/news/politics/general/what-is-are-the-benefits-of-obamacare-what-are-the-real-costs/80/6295252

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/15-reasons-why-the-obamacare-decision-is-a-mind-blowing-disaster-for-america

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    "That's called putting pragmatism over ideology."

    France, of course, as a socialist country, has no First Amendment, and free speech is severely limited.

    Is your solution of surrendering free speech rights for fear of violence by fanatic religious zealots, one you also suggest for the US?

    Pragmatism= surrender of free speech rights.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    Chrstians of all factions, liberal and conservative, were upset about Robert Mapplethorp's Pi55 Christ (and the fact the government paid him to make it), but didn't blow anything or anyone up.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    Do you think Obama has enough warning to put some extra detail at our French embassy and on our ambassadors?

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to Newtster's comment:

     

    I am for breasts and for whatever video, cartoon, painting, movie that anyone wants to produce about Mohamed, Islam, Mormons, Jews, Bitter clingers, etc. 

    It is no fault of anyone creating a work of art (questionable as it might be) for a reaction to their art. If someone commits violence, its their fault, not the artist's.

    What is wrong with you moonbats that you cannot understand that? Why is it that  you focus on the artist instead of the thugs that kill people and break things in reaction to the artist's cartoon or  movie? Why aren't you and your fearless leader admonishing the people that react with violence? It's no wonder they keep doing it. It works for them.

    There have been PLENTY of videos and movies that are anti-Islamic released over the last year and no one said a forking word. So why is it now that you attack the artist of this one particular video? 

     



    Exactly right. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. How one reacts to something is completely within their control. I can't stand people who blame others for their actions. 

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    Anything for a buck. People will never learn.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    The whacko wingnut's nose-to-buttocks lemming-like worldview doesn't serve them well when actually operating in the real world.

    Wingnuts live in an alternate reality full of rainbows and unicorns with nary a thought not approved by the echo chambers.

    They want everyone, everywhere to act as the wingnuts want them to act. They just can't fathom the fact that people act in unpredictable and stupid ways. 

    What's fascinating is that the actions of the radical muslims in many ways mirrors the acts committed by the radical right-wing christians in their jihad against abortion. At least a dozen people associated with abortion rights have been murdered by the christian right since the 80's, all in the name of their god. But just as the vast majority of christians don't want to be associated with those that resort to violence, neither does the overwhelming majority of muslims. Given the fact that islam is the largest religion in the world, the proportions in both religions are the same.

     

    In this case, the whacko wingnuts display an uncanny ability of cognitive dissonance on a number of levels.

    They want the world to respect the rights we enjoy under the US Constitution, no matter the place or the circumstance. Yet those same Constitutionalists do not want those same rights afforded foreign suspects captured and brought to the US. Heck they don't even want to abide by the treaties the US has signed with respect to prisoners.

    The wingnuts wail about islam as a violent religion and yet their preferred response is more violence. Even with the overwhelming evidence that these terrorists comprise a minuscule part of islam overall, the wingnuts want to prosecute a war on all of islam.

    There is no doubt that those terrorists should be killed or captured but that doesn't mean that we should punish entire countries or an entire religion for the actions taken by a few.

    As has been pointed out, free speech is not absolute. There are many cases where speech is either un-Constitutional or just plain unwise.

    Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. It's only aim is to incite chaos and harm.

    Making a video who's only purpose is to incite a reaction is the same thing.

     

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:

    Exactly right. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. How one reacts to something is completely within their control. I can't stand people who blame others for their actions. 



     

    If everyone is responsible for their own actions then let's send the idiots who made the movie and support it over to the Middle East to explain their views to muslims.

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:
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    Blurry pictures of a princesses breasts are a nono:

    http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/2012/09/18/french-court-rules-for-royals-topless-photos/jyE5M3vfOlPjLIyV53PzhO/story.html

     

    But....let's go ahead and try to whip up some more riots with a cartoon of naked mohammed:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/09/19/charlie_hebdo_mohammad_cartoons_french_magazine_publishes_naked_pictures_prompting_fears_of_muslim_backlash_.html

    "The magazine apparently published the cartoons against the urging of the French government, which plans to temporarily shutter schools and embassies in about 20 countries on Friday as a precautionary measure. (Why Friday? Protests tend to be more common after Muslim prayers on that day.)"

     [quote]

    The media has always promoted and published the negatives more than the positives. The more sensational the better; regardless of who it offends.

    I dont always agree with it but, to send the message of "if, you riot and cause harm we will call for censorship of things that offend you" is idiotic and very dangerous!

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to 12-Angry-Men's comment:

     

    In response to WhichOnesPink2's comment:

     

    Exactly right. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. How one reacts to something is completely within their control. I can't stand people who blame others for their actions. 




     

     

    If everyone is responsible for their own actions then let's send the idiots who made the movie and support it over to the Middle East to explain their views to muslims.

     

     



    First off living in a free country means no one can be forced to do what you're asking. Ok?

    Second, why would he need to? It's not his fault Islamic radicals attacked the embassy. They chose to do so and are using this film as an excuse. Any reasonable person understands this.

    Are radical Muslims coming to the US to explain their views on the US infadels??? Funny how you ask the filmaker to go to Middle East to explain his views yet don't ask radical Muslims to come here to explain their views. Funny that!

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

     

    The media has always promoted and published the negatives more than the positives. The more sensational the better; regardless of who it offends.

    I dont always agree with it but, to send the message of "if, you riot and cause harm we will call for censorship of things that offend you" is idiotic and very dangerous!

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    You've got to Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate the Positive the positive
    Eliminate the negative
    And latch on to the affirmative
    Don't mess with Mister In-Between

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    The media has always promoted and published the negatives more than the positives. The more sensational the better; regardless of who it offends.

    I dont always agree with it but, to send the message of "if, you riot and cause harm we will call for censorship of things that offend you" is idiotic and very dangerous!

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    WDYWN's "gotcha" moment...epic fail!

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    Funny how the whacko wingnuts like to put everyone into a black or white box but when ya try and pin them down with a very simple 'yes/no' question they scamper like weasels.

    I guess they don't like to be categorized as much as they like to do it to others.

    Oh well, spines were never a wingnut strong point.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to Newtster's comment:

    I am for breasts and for whatever video, cartoon, painting, movie that anyone wants to produce about Mohamed, Islam, Mormons, Jews, Bitter clingers, etc. 

    It is no fault of anyone creating a work of art (questionable as it might be) for a reaction to their art. If someone commits violence, its their fault, not the artist's.

    What is wrong with you moonbats that you cannot understand that? Why is it that  you focus on the artist instead of the thugs that kill people and break things in reaction to the artist's cartoon or  movie? Why aren't you and your fearless leader admonishing the people that react with violence? It's no wonder they keep doing it. It works for them.

    There have been PLENTY of videos and movies that are anti-Islamic released over the last year and no one said a forking word. So why is it now that you attack the artist of this one particular video? 

     



    Photos of Kate were an invasion of privacy - not art.

    The Video was not art but an attempt to spark violent protests among Muslims.

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from WhichOnesPink2. Show WhichOnesPink2's posts

    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    Except the question has been answered. Again....just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you can pretend it doesn't exist. 

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

     

    In response to Newtster's comment:

    I am for breasts and for whatever video, cartoon, painting, movie that anyone wants to produce about Mohamed, Islam, Mormons, Jews, Bitter clingers, etc. 

    It is no fault of anyone creating a work of art (questionable as it might be) for a reaction to their art. If someone commits violence, its their fault, not the artist's.

    What is wrong with you moonbats that you cannot understand that? Why is it that  you focus on the artist instead of the thugs that kill people and break things in reaction to the artist's cartoon or  movie? Why aren't you and your fearless leader admonishing the people that react with violence? It's no wonder they keep doing it. It works for them.

    There have been PLENTY of videos and movies that are anti-Islamic released over the last year and no one said a forking word. So why is it now that you attack the artist of this one particular video? 

     



    Photos of Kate were an invasion of privacy - not art.

    The Video was not art but an attempt to spark violent protests among Muslims.

     



    Oh so you know the intent of the filmaker do you? Hmmm...doesn't WDYWN have issue when those on the Right try to project things? Wonder if he'll have issue with you? 

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to tvoter's comment:

    The media has always promoted and published the negatives more than the positives. The more sensational the better; regardless of who it offends.

    I dont always agree with it but, to send the message of "if, you riot and cause harm we will call for censorship of things that offend you" is idiotic and very dangerous

    Well if we're just copy/pasting from one thread to the other....

     

    I see that because you're such a brave honest conservative who has real principles they can actually defend, you continue to run from the simpliest question on earth.


    Three's a charm? Try again, big boy: 

    If someone shouts "fire" in a crowded theatre but there is no fire, a stampede results, and people are hurt...

     

    ...do we blame the person who shouted "fire"?  

     

    Yes or No will do (actually that's not quite accurate. Yes or No, followed by some sort of logical reason would help)


    Yelling "Fire" when there is not one in a crowded theater shows the intent was to create panic and potential harm!

    Making a short film that a few months later radicals decide is worth killing over is NOT even close to the same thing!

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    The progressive arguing for government control over inconvenient speech, to kowtow to radical murderers overseas...

    Oliver Wendell Holmes Holmes used the "fire in a crowded theatre"  analogy in  Schenck v. United States , he ruled that it was a violation of the Espionage Act of 1917, (amended with the Sedition Act of 1918), to distribute flyers opposing the draft during World War I. Holmes argued this abridgment of free speech was permissible because it presented a "clear and present danger" to the government's recruitment efforts for the war.

    Shenck was overruled by Brandenburg v Ohio in 1969 . Interestingly, in that case Justice Douglas held that burning a religious symbol is protected speech:

    Douglas also pointed out the legitimate role of symbolic speech in First Amendment doctrine, using examples of a person ripping up a Bible to celebrate the abandonment of his faith or tearing a copy of the Constitution in order to protest a Supreme Court decision, and assailed the previous term's United States v. O'Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968), which had allowed for the prosecution of a man for burning his draft card. In all these situations, Douglas argued, an action was a vital way of conveying a certain message, and thus the action itself deserved First Amendment protection.

    Like burning the US flag,  whihc liberals correctly in my view argued was protected speech. But libs run and hide when America's enemies protest a YouTube video....

    Justice William Douglas would be disappointed in today's liberals, who are but poodles to the Government.

     

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

     

    Chrstians of all factions, liberal and conservative, were upset about Robert Mapplethorp's Pi55 Christ (and the fact the government paid him to make it), but didn't blow anything or anyone up.

     



    Maybe we should have. If the Islamists are any example, the government would be giving us billions of dollars and interrogating anyone who dared criticize Christian values.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Chrstians of all factions, liberal and conservative, were upset about Robert Mapplethorp's Pi55 Christ (and the fact the government paid him to make it), but didn't blow anything or anyone up.

     



    Except Pi55 Christ was a by photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano, not Maplethorpe.

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Chrstians of all factions, liberal and conservative, were upset about Robert Mapplethorp's Pi55 Christ (and the fact the government paid him to make it), but didn't blow anything or anyone up.

     



    Except Pi55 Christ was a by photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano, not Maplethorpe.

     




    thank you

     

     
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    Re: France: Don't publish photo of naked breasts, but hooray to trying to incite violence with naked mohammed

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    In response to jedwardnicky's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Chrstians of all factions, liberal and conservative, were upset about Robert Mapplethorp's Pi55 Christ (and the fact the government paid him to make it), but didn't blow anything or anyone up.

     



    Except Pi55 Christ was a by photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano, not Maplethorpe.

     




    thank you

     

     



    No problem. I'd always had a problem with the whole Pi55 Christ controversy. Depicting a dying tortured man, nearly naked, in the painful act of being crucified with a crown of thorns on his head and a lance wound to his abdomen is ok. Putting said depiction in pi55 is somehow over the top?

     

     
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