Frum Pwns Palin

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    Spoiler alert!  The rest of #4:

     "Innocent as you feel yourself to be, try to imagine how it must have felt to be Giffords during this past campaign season: guns showing up at her rallies, her offices vandalized, death threats – and your map as the finishing touch. Imagine how her family must feel. Speak to them."

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    Good Lord! 

    A conservative who doesn't demand that everything in human existence be black and white?  And who didn't accuse Democrats of being unAmerican socialist-communist-fascist conspirators in the same breath?  What is this? 

    Must be a RINO.....
     
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    Teachable moment:

    Speeding on the way to the hospital after the shooting, when asked whether his daughter might have any enemies, Giffords' father replied, 'Try the entire tea party.'

    While this was obviously an emotionally charged response from the man after witnessing such a horrific assault on his child, there is no doubt the political rhetoric of the times has played an indirect hand in this tragedy.
     
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    I don't blame Palin nor the DailyKos as they both targeted Rep Giffords.  Palin targeted her for voting with Pelosi too much of the time and the DailyKos targeted her for disagreeing with Pelosi on occasion.  Also the DailyKos blogger blueboy was almost prophetic when he stated Giffords was dead to him because she was one of the 19 who voted against Pelosi for minority leader.

    I actually, in general liked Giffords voting record; disagreed with her HCR vote because of the process and too many add ons, but support most of her votes.
     
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    [QUOTE]Teachable moment: Speeding on the way to the hospital after the shooting, when asked whether his daughter might have any enemies, Giffords' father replied, 'Try the entire tea party.' While this was obviously an emotionally charged response from the man after witnessing such a horrific assault on his child, there is no doubt the political rhetoric of the times has played an indirect hand in this tragedy.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    I think they need to check out the alibi of the DailyKos blogger "blueboy" who two days earlier said Giffords was dead to him.


    Matty, I thought you were staying above the political divide on this.

     
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    [QUOTE]I don't blame Palin nor the DailyKos as they both targeted Rep Giffords.  Palin targeted her for voting with Pelosi too much of the time and the DailyKos targeted her for disagreeing with Pelosi on occasion.  Also the DailyKos blogger blueboy was almost prophetic when he stated Giffords was dead to him because she was one of the 19 who voted against Pelosi for minority leader. I actually, in general liked Giffords voting record; disagreed with her HCR vote because of the process and too many add ons, but support most of her votes.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe[/QUOTE]

    Nor do I blame either Palin or DailyKos or even the tea party frauds.  As I said in a previous thread, what's important now is how our public officials react to and exert their influence over the circumstances event.  (Despite her quitting office, Palin is a paid, all-points pundit, ref. to as "Gov.", and a public official.)  She failed.  Again.  That's what Frum and other, sensible conservatives are referring to.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Frum Pwns Palin : I think they need to check out the alibi of the DailyKos blogger "blueboy" who two days earlier said Giffords was dead to him. Matty, I thought you were staying above the political divide on this.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe[/QUOTE]

    I reiterate.  I consider this a non-partisan act, but that's not the same as non-political. 

    Actions have consequences, as the congresswoman so clearly stated herself when her candidacy was placed in the 'crosshairs' (metaphorical or otherwise).
     
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    [QUOTE]She was only following the advice of our wonderful and most intelligent President: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a fundraiser in Philadelphia Friday, according to pool reports. “We don’t have a choice but to win,” Obama said, joking that he has heard “folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles games.”
    Posted by Newtster[/QUOTE]

    No equivalence there, and you should know that.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Frum Pwns Palin : I reiterate.  I consider this a non-partisan act, but that's not the same as non-political.  Actions have consequences, as the congresswoman so clearly stated herself when her candidacy was placed in the 'crosshairs' (metaphorical or otherwise).
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Whose cross hairs Palin's or DailyKos's and does it make a difference?

     
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    [QUOTE]Brilliant.  A That question was not: “Are you culpable for the shooting?” The question was: “Having put this unfortunate image on the record, can you respond to the shooting in a way that demonstrates your larger humanity? And possibly also your potential to serve as leader of the entire nation?” 
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    You sing;e out Palin without looking at politics in general.  Sure Palin and her PAC targeted opponents during the election.  So didn't the left DailyKos very specifically.  

    Yes I would have rather she had a better answer.  I also wish the President didn't incite Hispanics to go after their opponents or state if someone brings a knife to a fight you need to bring a gun, oh so Presidential.

    I'd love to see the whole discussion become less personal and just talk about the issues by understanding the differences and searching for common ground.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Frum Pwns Palin : You sing;e out Palin without looking at politics in general.  Sure Palin and her PAC targeted opponents during the election.  So didn't the left DailyKos very specifically.   Yes I would have rather she had a better answer.  I also wish the President didn't incite Hispanics to go after their opponents or state if someone brings a knife to a fight you need to bring a gun, oh so Presidential. I'd love to see the whole discussion become less personal and just talk about the issues by understanding the differences and searching for common ground.
    Posted by massmoderateJoe[/QUOTE]

    No, Frum does that.  I just re-posted his assertions which happen to be correct.  And it is indeed a politically general point of information, not an attack.

    I've never stuck to the left's playbook on Palin.  I don't think she's dumb; I just believe she's totally unserious and unconscientious about the business of governing.  This incident proves, yet again, her specific unseriousness as well as her tendency to say things that she can't honestly or intellectually support (also plays the victim, but that's another issue) because she never allows close scrutiny of her POV.

    Further, any time you or anyone else compares her comments with that of the president is a dogwhistle that says, 'she is on the same level as he is.'  I'm saying, no, she isn't, never has been, and this is why.  You must understand the difference and not fall into the same hackneyed auto-responses that fail to either advance the debate or resolve the issue at hand.  When the right stops taking her so very seriously, the rest of us will follow in kind.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Frum Pwns Palin : No, Frum does that.  I just re-posted his assertions which happen to be correct.  And it is indeed a politically general point of information, not an attack. I've never stuck to the left's playbook on Palin.  I don't think she's dumb; I just believe she's totally unserious and unconscientious about the business of governing.  This incident proves, yet again, her specific unseriousness as well as her tendency to say things that she can't honestly or intellectually support (also plays the victim, but that's another issue) because she never allows close scrutiny of her POV. Further, any time you or anyone else compares her comments with that of the president is a dogwhistle that says, 'she is on the same level as he is.'  I'm saying, no, she isn't, never has been, and this is why.  You must understand the difference and not fall into the same hackneyed auto-responses that fail to either advance the debate or resolve the issue at hand.  When the right stops taking her so very seriously, the rest of us will follow in kind.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Look you found Palin important enough to create a thread, not me.  I have a mixed opinion of her, I generally think she has some good principles but doesn't do herself any good with her folksy demeanor.  She was an accomplished governor with limited experience as opposed to an accomplished community organizer (which explains some of his rabble rouser tendencies) with limited Senate experience.  

    You're the one with Palin Derangement Syndrome.  I think time will be kinder to Palin, just like time has been kinder to Hillary Clinton who was once thought to be too much of a lightening rod.

     
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    MattyScornD:

    Swell.  Palin is somehow guilty because she can't prove or disprove a negative.

    Hey, your prior posts have incited the next person to commit murder in Boston.

    Now prove me wrong.

    If you don;t get the inherent dis-logic in blaming Palin, then all I can say is "hopeless."
     
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     "This incident proves, yet again, her specific unseriousness as well as her tendency to say things that she can't honestly or intellectually support.."

    Says the very same poster who tried to "intellectually support" his calling war hero John McCain a "walking cadaver phony war-hero coward".
     
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    [QUOTE]Brilliant.  A conservative pundit who shows Mrs. Palin the difference between pidgin punditry and true leadership: "The shooting in Arizona shocked the nation into grief – and presented Sarah Palin with an immediate political problem: her now-notorious gunsight map. Palin scrubbed the map from her Palin PAC website, and then issued the following statement on her Facebook page: My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.    On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice. Then, as Palin came under a barrage of criticism, Palin supporters stepped forward to offer defenses. The gunsights were not really gunsights. The criticism of Palin was unfair, even “obscene.” And of course, Palin and her supporters had some justice on their side. Obviously, Palin never intended to summon people to harm Representative Giffords. There was no evidence that the shooter was a Palin follower, and in short order it became evident that he was actuated by a serious mental illness. Whatever you think about Palin’s “don’t retreat, reload” rhetoric, it could not be blamed for this crime. So – argument won? No. Argument lost. Palin failed to appreciate the question being posed to her. That question was not: “Are you culpable for the shooting?” The question was: “Having put this unfortunate image on the record, can you respond to the shooting in a way that demonstrates your larger humanity? And possibly also your potential to serve as leader of the entire nation?” Here it seems to me are the elements of such an answer. http://www.frumforum.com/what-palin-needed-to-say-after-giffords-shooting [my favorite..] 4)Join the conversation. You have often complained about out-of-bounds personal comments directed toward you (eg, David Letterman’s). Now try to show toward others the same empathy that you demand from others."
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]

    Matty, I guess I'll put you in the camp of restricting free speech, unless it is some progressive bile aimed a Palin. Shame on you.
     
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    [QUOTE]Teachable moment: Speeding on the way to the hospital after the shooting, when asked whether his daughter might have any enemies, Giffords' father replied, 'Try the entire tea party.' While this was obviously an emotionally charged response from the man after witnessing such a horrific assault on his child, there is no doubt the political rhetoric of the times has played an indirect hand in this tragedy.
    Posted by MattyScornD[/QUOTE]
    Matty, I guess you have the same reaction to the 2006 DLC map with the Bull's-eye in Arizona too right? And how they described ALL red states as "Behind enemy lines". Let's hear some of that or are you just against this when the R's do it?
     
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    Enough of this crap...all this back and forth about cross hairs and targets is pointless. Campaigns on both sides have used military terminology for decades describing their tactics. This is nothing new. Throwing this on Palin is a stretch at best. Making this political is a sleezeball move literally just moments after the shootings. The Sheriff should apologize for his reckless, baseless comments.  
     
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    Are people really trying to assert that the words from a lightly read, non mainstream political blog carries the same weight as a former Governor, Former VP candidate for the United States? 


     
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    The Sherrif and anyone else who brings politics or makes references to political figures in regards to the travesty and loss of life event carried out by an insane human being should be ashamed of themselves!!!

    Is this what we are reduced to??
     
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    In Response to www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aNewsForum%3a9523Discussion%3aa33ff33f-57f3-4e92-8120-32cdb3614930&plckFindPostKey=Cat:NewsForum:9523Discussion:a33ff33f-57f3-4e92-8120-32cdb3614930Post:f82b1aae-5abe-4177-9119-fa9fcb6ef511">Re: Frum Pwns Palin:
    In Response to Re: Frum Pwns Palin : Matty, I guess you have the same reaction to the 2006 DLC map with the Bull's-eye in Arizona too right? And how they described ALL red states as "Behind enemy lines". Let's hear some of that or are you just against this when the R's do it?
    Posted by brat13


    Maybe if the attacker used a bow and arrow you'd have a point.


    What does a bow and arrow have to do with anything? Do you actually think a bull's-eye is only on a target for bow and arrows???? Sigh....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Frum Pwns Palin : That target is for archery.
    Posted by 12-Angry-Men[/QUOTE]

    Oh I see. So a bulls-eye is ok as long as it's for bow and arrows. Cross-hairs bad, bulls-eye good. Gotcha. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
     
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