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    FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed Sunday found.

    One of the bullets entered the top of Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for New York City, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

    Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

    The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Brown’s clothing, to which Baden did not have access.

    Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Sunday that the Justice Department would conduct its own autopsy, in addition to the one performed by local officials and this private one because, a department spokesman said, of “the extraordinary circumstances involved in this case and at the request of the Brown family.”

    The preliminary autopsy results are the first time that some of the critical information resulting in Brown’s death has been made public. Thousands of protesters demanding information and justice for what was widely viewed as a reckless shooting took to the streets here in rallies that ranged from peaceful to violent.

    Brown died last week in a confrontation with a police officer in this suburb of St. Louis. The police department has come under harsh criticism for refusing to clarify the circumstances of the shooting and for responding to protests with military-style operational gear.

    “People have been asking: How many times was he shot? This information could have been released on Day One,” Baden said in an interview after performing the autopsy. “They don’t do that, even as feelings built up among the citizenry that there was a cover-up. We are hoping to alleviate that.”

    Baden said that while Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results. Nor has he had access to witness and police statements.

    Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five wounds.

    “This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

    He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.

    “We need more information; for example the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.

    Baden, 80, is a well-known New York-based medical examiner, who is one of only about 400 board-certified forensic pathologists in the nation. He reviewed the autopsies of President John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and has performed more than 20,000 autopsies himself.

    He is best known for having hosted the HBO show “Autopsy,” but he rankles when he is called a “celebrity medical examiner,” saying that the vast majority of what he does has nothing to do with celebrities.

    Baden said that because of the tremendous attention to the case, he waived his $10,000 fee.

    Professor Shawn L. Parcells, a pathologist assistant based in Kansas, assisted Baden.

    “You do this for the families,” Parcells said. The two medical experts conducted the four-hour examination Sunday at the Austin A. Layne Mortuary in St. Louis. Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for Brown’s family who paid their travel expenses, hired them.

    “The sheer number of bullets and the way they were scattered all over his body showed this police officer had a brazen disregard for the very people he was supposed to protect in that community,” Crump said. “We want to make sure people understand what this case is about: This case is about a police officer executing a young unarmed man in broad daylight.”

    A spokesman for the Ferguson Police Department, Tim Zoll, said the police had not seen a report of the autopsy and therefore had no comment on it.

    Baden said he consulted with the St. Louis County medical examiner before conducting the autopsy.

    One of the bullets shattered Brown’s right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone. The last two shots in the head would have stopped him in his tracks and were likely the last fired.

    Brown, he said, would not have survived the shooting even if he had been taken to a hospital right away. The autopsy indicated that he was otherwise healthy.

    Baden said it was unusual for the federal government to conduct a third autopsy, but dueling examinations often occur when there is so much distrust of the authorities. The county of St. Louis has conducted an autopsy, and the results have not yet been released.

    He stressed that his examination was not to determine whether the shooting was justified.

    “In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’” said Baden, who retired from the state police in 2011. “Right now there is too little information to forensically reconstruct the shooting.”

    No matter what conclusions can be drawn from Baden’s work, Brown’s death remains marked by shifting and contradictory accounts more than a week after it occurred. The shooting is under investigation by St. Louis County and by the FBI, working with the Justice Department’s civil rights division and Holder’s office.

    According to what has emerged so far, on Aug. 9, Brown, along with a companion, Dorian Johnson, was walking in the middle of Canfield Drive, a fistful of cigarillos in Brown’s hand, police say, which a videotape shows he stole from a liquor store on West Florissant Avenue.

    At 12:01 p.m., they were stopped by Darren Wilson, a police officer, who ordered them off the road and onto the sidewalk, Johnson, who is 22, later said.

    The police have said that what happened next was a physical struggle between Brown and Wilson that left the officer with a swollen face. Johnson and others have said that it was a case of racial profiling and police aggression from a white officer toward a black man. Within minutes, Brown, who was unarmed, was dead of gunshot wounds.

    The sequence of events provided by law enforcement officials places Brown and Johnson at Ferguson Market and Liquors, a store several blocks away on West Florissant Avenue, at about 11:50 a.m.

    After leaving the store with the cigarillos, the two walked north on West Florissant, a busy commercial thoroughfare, toward Canfield Drive, a clerk reported to the police.

    Brown was 6-foot-4 and 292 pounds, though his family and friends described him as quiet and shy, a homebody who lived with his grandmother.

    It is about a 10-minute walk from Ferguson Market to the spot where Wilson, 28, an officer with six years’ experience, approached Brown and Johnson.

    The police tell of an officer who was enforcing the minor violation of jaywalking, as Brown and Johnson ignored the sidewalk and strolled down the middle of the road instead.

    The morning after the shooting, Chief Jon Belmar of the St. Louis County police said that Wilson was leaving his police car when Brown “allegedly pushed the police officer back into the car,” where he “physically assaulted the police officer.”

    “Within the police car there was a struggle over the officer’s weapon,” Belmar said. “There was at least one shot fired in the car.”

    At that point, the police said, Wilson left his vehicle and fatally shot Brown. “More than a few” shell casings were recovered from the scene.

    Johnson, who declined to be interviewed, has described the events differently in television interviews. While he and Brown walked, he said, Wilson stopped his vehicle and told them to get on the sidewalk. When they refused, Wilson slammed on his brakes and drove in reverse to get closer.

    When the officer opened his door, it hit Brown. With his left hand, Wilson reached out and grabbed Brown by the neck, Johnson said.

    “It’s like tug of war,” Johnson said. “He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

    A neighbor, Tiffany Mitchell, said in an interview with MSNBC that she heard tires squeal, then saw Brown and Wilson “wrestling” through the open car window. A shot went off from within the car, Johnson said, and the two began to run away from the officer.

    According to Mitchell, “The officer gets out of his vehicle,” she said, pursuing Brown, then continued to shoot.

    Johnson said that he hid behind a parked car and that Brown was struck by a bullet in his back as he ran away, an account that Baden’s autopsy appears to contradict.

    “Michael’s body jerks as if he was hit,” Mitchell said, “and then he put his hands up.”

    Brown turned, Johnson said, raised his hands, and said, “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

    Wilson continued to fire and Brown crumpled to the ground, Johnson said.

    Within seconds, confusion and horror swept through Canfield Drive. On that Saturday afternoon, dozens of neighbors were at home and rushed out of their apartments when they heard gunshots.

    One person who claimed to witness the shooting began posting frantic messages on Twitter, written hastily with shorthand and grammatical errors, only two minutes after Wilson approached Brown. At 12:03 p.m., the person, identified as @TheePharoah, a St. Louis-area rapper, wrote on Twitter that he had just seen someone die.

    That same minute, he wrote, “Im about to hyperventilate.”

    At 12:23 p.m., he wrote, “dude was running and the cops just saw him. I saw him die bruh.”

    A 10-minute video posted on YouTube appeared to be taken on a cellphone by someone who identified himself as a neighbor. The video, which has collected more than 225,000 views, captures Brown’s body, the yellow police tape that marked off the crime scene and the residents standing behind it.

    “They shot that boy cause they wanted to,” said one woman who can be heard on the video.

    “They said he had his hands up and everything,” said the man taking the video, speaking to a neighbor.

    Brown’s body remained in the street for several hours, a delay that Jackson said last week made him “uncomfortable.” Antonio French, a St. Louis alderman who has been active in this case, said on ABC on Sunday that the body had remained in the street for nearly five hours.

    At one point, a woman can be heard shouting, “Where is the ambulance? Where is the ambulance?”

    The man taking the video, who remained off-camera, said, “God rest his soul. He’s gone.”

     

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/08/18/ferguson-youth-shot-times-autopsy-shows/XnkwJJW4xEnkoj1wr9b7sN/story.html?p1=Topopage:Test_B:Main_headline

     

     

     
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    Previously unnoticed audio from a video recorded in the chaotic moments after Michael Brown's fatal shooting last Saturday in Ferguson, Missouri, could help back up Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson's version of events.

    Overheard while one man films the gruesome aftermath of Brown's daylight shooting, the barely discernible audio is of one unseen man recounting the alleged version of events that he saw to another man, off camera, while bystanders scream and shout at police to assist the stricken 18-year-old.

    At around the six minute and 30 second mark in the 10 minute long video, one man is just heard over raucous shouting asking another how Brown ended up at least 30-feet away from the police squad car that presumably was being driven by Wilson.

    The first man explains to the second man that Brown was there because he had previously been inside the police car and run, which contradicts what the teens friend, Dorian Johnson, has told police and in interviews.

    Johnson has said that Brown was not ever inside Officer Wilson's police car before the shooting.

    Johnson alleges that Wilson exited his car and struck 6ft 4inch Brown as he was trying to open the door, setting off the calamitous series of events that ended with Brown running from a shooting Wilson, before turning with his hands raised in surrender before being gunned down.

    The audio heard in the video gives a different version of events.

    The alleged witness tells the man that Brown was in the police car with Wilson and then got out and ran away.

    'Then the next thing I know he doubled back towards him cus (sic) the police had his gun drawn already on him,' according to blog, Conservative Tree House.

    The witness then contradicts the now crucial narrative of the how the tragic events unfolded last Saturday.

    Instead of Brown being fired on while his hands were raised in surrender, the witness claims that Brown was moving towards the officer when he was shot.

    While this version of events does not match most of the eyewitness accounts, it does seem to tally up in a small part with the account of what occurred given by a friend of Wilson.

    'He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description,' said the friend in an interview with Josie on The Dana Show.

    'And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them.

    'Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

    'And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip.

    'And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

    'Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, 'Freeze!# Michael and his friend turn around.

    'And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed.

    'And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.'

    This new development follows photographs from last Saturday that were taken in the minutes after Brown's death.

    They came as Missouri Governor Jay Nixon announced that he has signed an order declaring a state of emergency 'to keep the people safe' and implemented a midnight to 5am curfew in Ferguson on Saturday.

    Yahoo News published the photograph of Darren Wilson on their homepage in a report detailing Brown's February commendation for 'extraordinary effort in the line of duty'.

    The first photograph of the officer emerged on the same day a new photo of the scene immediately after Brown's shooting emerged.

    With onlookers gathered behind police tape, officers are shown in the picture peering over Brown;s body.

    Wilson is now on paid administrative leave following the shooting death of Michael Brown, 18, pending the outcome of the investigation into the shooting.

    The 28-year-old officer won a commendation for 'extraordinary effort in the line of duty' on February of this year.

    'He never intended for any of this to happen,' Ferguson police Chief Thomas Jackson said. 'It’s devastating, absolutely devastating.'

    He said Wilson encountered Brown and another man on the street during a routine patrol.

    A confrontation ensued and Wilson fatally shot Brown, who was unarmed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727321/Conversation-recorded-bystander-just-moments-Michael-Brown-shooting-casts-doubt-claims-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Aug. 18, 12:40 p.m.: Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist who conducted an autopsy of Michael Brown at the request of his family, said this morning at a press conference that he did not find any evidence of a struggle between Brown and officer Darren Wilson. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for New York City, also said Wilson could have fired at Brown from anywhere between 1 foot and 30 feet away and that examinations of Wilson and of Brown's clothing could help further clarify the circumstances of the teenager's death.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/18/ferguson_running_blog_gunfire_witnessed_by_reporters.html

     

     

    Yeah...I think we'll need to wait for more specifics

     

     

     
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    All excellent reports 'NWDYW'.

    I tend to go with the 'BOLO' account.

    Usually, when such a robbery occurs, a BOLO Alert is immediately sent to all leo's.

    Brown had just committed a crime and ran from the officer due to his guilt feelings.

    The officer fired because Brown appeared to be a fleeing felon.

    Why the officer later said he did not know about the robbery is a mystery to me.

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    Well that's the thing, we don't really know any of this for a fact because there is no dashboard cam video (and that wouldn't have captured it all anyway), except for the fact that Brown took a box of cigars.

     

     

    This witness makes it sound like Brown was a crazed lunatic and the officer waited until the last to fire the fatal shots.

    The first witness to speak made it sound like the officer was the crazed lunatic who shot a fleeing man dead for absolutely no valid reason. (Deadly force is not acceptable to stop a running cigar thief)

     

     

     

    I'm not entirely sure what the other three say. And, we don't have a released statement by the officer to my knowledge - and he should know enough not to give a statement on his own.

    Ballistics will help sort out some of the most important details, such as how far away the various shots were fired from. Preferably, the stance of each person at the time. (Though, not, ballistics has its problems as a forensic "science").

    So it's all still rather up in the air.

     
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    Seems like there is now enough evidence to arrest the officer.

     
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    Seems like there is now enough evidence to arrest the officer.

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    How so?

    Sounds about exactly the opposite.

     
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    Seems like there is now enough evidence to arrest the officer.

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    How so?

    Sounds about exactly the opposite.

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    We have an autopsy guessing that shots were fired from anywhere between one foot (good fact for cop) and thirty feet (really bad fact for cop).

    We have a statement that establishes guilt if true, and one that more or less establishes innocence if true. We have three that I haven't seen reported.

     

    Arrest is on a probable cause standard. This is less than "more likely than not". It's a pretty low standard.

     

     
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    Seems like there is now enough evidence to arrest the officer.

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    How so?

    Sounds about exactly the opposite.

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    We have an autopsy guessing that shots were fired from anywhere between one foot (good fact for cop) and thirty feet (really bad fact for cop).

    We have a statement that establishes guilt if true, and one that more or less establishes innocence if true. We have three that I haven't seen reported.

     

    Arrest is on a probable cause standard. This is less than "more likely than not". It's a pretty low standard.

     

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    Understood.  But, the evidence is that Brown was acting like a crazed lunatic?  

     
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    Understood.  But, the evidence is that Brown was acting like a crazed lunatic?  




    There is directly contrary evidence as well, evidence that says Brown was running and the cop was the crazed lunatic.


    It's up in the air.


    They aren't required to arrest, but I think it would stand up in court if they did.


    They probably won't - he's a cop, after all. But we'll see.

     
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    Seems like there is now enough evidence to arrest the officer.

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    Sounds about exactly the opposite.

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    We have an autopsy guessing that shots were fired from anywhere between one foot (good fact for cop) and thirty feet (really bad fact for cop).

    We have a statement that establishes guilt if true, and one that more or less establishes innocence if true. We have three that I haven't seen reported.

     

    Arrest is on a probable cause standard. This is less than "more likely than not". It's a pretty low standard.

     

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    If there is evidence that the shots were fired from 30 feet to 1 feet...couldn't ballistics tell where they entered and exited? Wouldn't that tend to support the story that Brown was charging the officer?

    Or..I guess it could support the theory that the officer was firing as he walked towards Brown. Also...wouldn't ballistics be able to tell us the angle of the shots? For example, if Brown really was on his knees with his hands up in the air?

    I've heard 2 conflicting reports on the news as well. With all the witnesses I am sure some common theme is going to emerge.

    At this point it sounds like a disaster for all sides.. It's certainly not looking good for the officer or the Ferguson police department...but I think there is still a lot of information that needs to come out before anyone can say what Officer Wilson is guilty of.

     
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    If there is evidence that the shots were fired from 30 feet to 1 feet...couldn't ballistics tell where they entered and exited? Wouldn't that tend to support the story that Brown was charging the officer?

    Or..I guess it could support the theory that the officer was firing as he walked towards Brown. Also...wouldn't ballistics be able to tell us the angle of the shots? For example, if Brown really was on his knees with his hands up in the air?

    I've heard 2 conflicting reports on the news as well. With all the witnesses I am sure some common theme is going to emerge.

    At this point it sounds like a disaster for all sides.. It's certainly not looking good for the officer or the Ferguson police department...but I think there is still a lot of information that needs to come out before anyone can say what Officer Wilson is guilty of.

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    Ballistics should be able to shed some light, but they either haven't completed the report or haven't released it.

    Ballistics is part-science part-guesswork, though it is more trustworthy than other things called "forensic science" (like fingerprints or trying to link a bullet to a gun).

    It should generally be able to place them in various locations at the time the shots were fired, especially if there were objects onto which blood could spray when Brown was hit.

    If there's residue from the gunpowder on Brown, it will indicate that the cop was firing from really close range.

     
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    If there is evidence that the shots were fired from 30 feet to 1 feet...couldn't ballistics tell where they entered and exited? Wouldn't that tend to support the story that Brown was charging the officer?

    Or..I guess it could support the theory that the officer was firing as he walked towards Brown. Also...wouldn't ballistics be able to tell us the angle of the shots? For example, if Brown really was on his knees with his hands up in the air?

    I've heard 2 conflicting reports on the news as well. With all the witnesses I am sure some common theme is going to emerge.

    At this point it sounds like a disaster for all sides.. It's certainly not looking good for the officer or the Ferguson police department...but I think there is still a lot of information that needs to come out before anyone can say what Officer Wilson is guilty of.

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    Ballistics should be able to shed some light, but they either haven't completed the report or haven't released it.

    Ballistics is part-science part-guesswork, though it is more trustworthy than other things called "forensic science" (like fingerprints or trying to link a bullet to a gun).

    It should generally be able to place them in various locations at the time the shots were fired, especially if there were objects onto which blood could spray when Brown was hit.

    If there's residue from the gunpowder on Brown, it will indicate that the cop was firing from really close range.

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    Well..at least that's something. I am sure that the entire crime scene must tell some story so eventually between that ( the physical evidence) and the variety of witness statements that at some point some logical scenario of what took place will begin to emerge.

    Added to that...they can't really charge Wilson with anything until all this is completed...correct?

    Are they required by law to release the ballistics report?

    I did not know that ballistics is more reliable than forensic science! You learn something new every day... :-)

     
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    Well..at least that's something. I am sure that the entire crime scene must tell some story so eventually between that ( the physical evidence) and the variety of witness statements that at some point some logical scenario of what took place will begin to emerge.


    Added to that...they can't really charge Wilson with anything until all this is completed...correct?


    Are they required by law to release the ballistics report?


    I did not know that ballistics is more reliable than forensic science! You learn something new every day... :-)





    No, they don't have to wait until everything is completed to arrest him or indict him. In most cases, the investigation continues for a while after they arrest the subject.


    I don't think they are required to automatically release the ballistics report, though if they arrest/charge him, they will have to turn it over to the defense. One could also likely get it through a public records request, assuming that state a records request law like MA's.


    Ballistics is a mixed bag. In some cases, it's very clean cut, in other cases not so much. Accuracy depends entirely on how much information is available that helps them place people. You can only do so much if all you have, for example, is the angle of entry into the body of various bullets.


    Here, we have a number of eyewitness accounts. We probably also have blood drops on the ground showing where Brown moved while alive. We may have blood spray. They can also guesstimate the shooter's location based on where shell casings are found (but note - these bounce and roll around). They may have gunshot residue.


    Still, it's scary how much has come out in the last few years. For a century, things like fingerprint identification, eyewitness identification, and toolmark identification (matching a bullet to a specific gun) were presented in court as if it was all settled science, gold standard proof.


    As it turns out, fundamental assumptions such as the assumption that fingerprints are unique, or that each gun leaves a unique and identifiable pattern of marks on bullets fired from it, were never proven. They were just assumptions that forensic examiners taught their new employees. Moreover, forensics labs have differing standards. It's a bit of a zoo.


    (Oh, and eyewitness ID proves to be extremely unreliable when tested, especially when the suspect is a different race from the witness).


     


     

     
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    There is directly contrary evidence as well, evidence that says Brown was running and the cop was the crazed lunatic.

     

     

    It's up in the air.

     

    They aren't required to arrest, but I think it would stand up in court if they did.

     

    They probably won't - he's a cop, after all. But we'll see.

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    I tend to think we don't have all the facts, so, I'm having a difficult time coming to the same conclusion.  The facts to date don't seem to support the basic contention that this is a race related murder.  I don't see cops just pulling out tHier gun and shooting people in broad daylight.  There is more to this story.

     
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    1. The cops always arrest people before they have "all of the facts." They arrest them once they have "probable cause", which again really isn't much.

    2. It doesn't have to be a "race related murder" to justify arrest. It can be manslaughter for acting with excessive force, etc.

     
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    It's moot anyway. They're presenting it to a grand jury.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/19/ferguson_running_blog_tear_gas_and_arrests.html

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    Re: FYI: What We Know & Don't Know About Michael Brown's Death .. (Video)

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    It's moot anyway. They're presenting it to a grand jury.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/19/ferguson_running_blog_tear_gas_and_arrests.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/19/ferguson_running_blog_tear_gas_and_arrests.html

    We've heard about how ham sandwiches fare before them.

    [/QUOTE]

    A grand jury is a good move.

     
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