Gay vs. Religion

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    So, you are a bigot?

    or, must we be tolerant of everyone and everyhting, even those wit hwhom we disagree?

    Just what are you saying, Matty?

    Are you saying the left has the lock on what is right?

    I'm not following yout "tolerance" ideology.

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    Matty tolerance ideology runs directly along with her party line ideology. The funniest part is reading matty try to claim to be an independent!! lmao!!

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    Another person who can't follow a thread.  Else you'd know skeeter is confused about who he's yelling at.

     

    It's funny because it's true.

     

     

     

     

     

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    What the heck are you talking about?  sniffing glue again?

     
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    The left is tolerant only of those who hold the same opinions as they do.

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    Thats because you are unable and unwilling to separate church from state. 

    Fortunately, the unaffiliated, the agnostic, the atheist and the religiously indifferent population is growing in America, and they will slowly help push the right-wing bible crowd to the margins of society, right where they belong...away from public policy.

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    From the most left, religious and Catholic state in the union

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     Translation: "screw you, Bible thumpers, get lost... "

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    Sounds good to me.

     
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     Translation: "screw you, Bible thumpers, get lost... "

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    Sounds good to me.

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    See, this is the problem wiht the left, and honestly, some of the right.  Haters.  You can't stand that someone has a strong moral foundation, maybe becasue it threatens your "if it feels good do it" approach to life.  So, rather than live and let live, you need to lash out, bitterly.

     

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

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    "Gays are a cancer"...  What do you do with a cancer?  You cut it out.  Yes, you hate homosexuals.

    The problem with you is that you cannot accept that rational people are making a better world without the prejudice and bigotry inherent in your religious mythology and they have more compassion than is allowed by your political ideology.  No wonder you hate the "Left" they think better and feel better than you.  You have to hate people like that.. 

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

    [/QUOTE]


    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

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    How would I be wrong?  Is there a God who creates people who must either deny their sexuality or deceive everyone around them all their lives?  Or is homosexuality something that can be overcome with hard work and perseverence?

    The former is hard to believe, because there is no way to live a moral life under those circumstances, and no clear-cut indication of which path is more moral than the other.  If the latter is true, nobody has come up with a "cure" yet, so what should a homosexual do?

    It seems to me, if you're right, the only way for a homosexual to live a moral life is to do so utterly alone, and in celibacy.  Is this your stance?  Is this not only your stance, but you feel that the left is lazy and bankrupt for not sharing this stance?  Isn't it possible for an atheist, or agnostic, or Unitarian, or Hindu to be a moral person, live in step with his God, and have no issue with homosexuality? 

    FYI, I don't know how you're reading this, but I feel like it's a reasonably respecful exchange - there's not much anger on my part, and certainly no hate.  

     

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

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    How would I be wrong?  Is there a God who creates people who must either deny their sexuality or deceive everyone around them all their lives?  Or is homosexuality something that can be overcome with hard work and perseverence?

    The former is hard to believe, because there is no way to live a moral life under those circumstances, and no clear-cut indication of which path is more moral than the other.  If the latter is true, nobody has come up with a "cure" yet, so what should a homosexual do?

    It seems to me, if you're right, the only way for a homosexual to live a moral life is to do so utterly alone, and in celibacy.  Is this your stance?  Is this not only your stance, but you feel that the left is lazy and bankrupt for not sharing this stance?  Isn't it possible for an atheist, or agnostic, or Unitarian, or Hindu to be a moral person, live in step with his God, and have no issue with homosexuality? 

    FYI, I don't know how you're reading this, but I feel like it's a reasonably respecful exchange - there's not much anger on my part, and certainly no hate.  

     

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    Skeeter infers that anyone who disagrees with him is acting out of hate.  There is only one truth to him and anyone who denies it is a hateful person.  His mythological and political blinders are firmly bolted into place.  He gave up critical thinking long ago.  Too inconvenient.... maight challege that "truth".

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

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    How would I be wrong?  Is there a God who creates people who must either deny their sexuality or deceive everyone around them all their lives?  Or is homosexuality something that can be overcome with hard work and perseverence?

    The former is hard to believe, because there is no way to live a moral life under those circumstances, and no clear-cut indication of which path is more moral than the other.  If the latter is true, nobody has come up with a "cure" yet, so what should a homosexual do?

    It seems to me, if you're right, the only way for a homosexual to live a moral life is to do so utterly alone, and in celibacy.  Is this your stance?  Is this not only your stance, but you feel that the left is lazy and bankrupt for not sharing this stance?  Isn't it possible for an atheist, or agnostic, or Unitarian, or Hindu to be a moral person, live in step with his God, and have no issue with homosexuality? 

    FYI, I don't know how you're reading this, but I feel like it's a reasonably respecful exchange - there's not much anger on my part, and certainly no hate.  

     

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    Skeeter infers that anyone who disagrees with him is acting out of hate.  There is only one truth to him and anyone who denies it is a hateful person.  His mythological and political blinders are firmly bolted into place.  He gave up critical thinking long ago.  Too inconvenient.... maight challege that "truth".

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    If it is not hate, what is it?  "tolerance?"  

    You are the one claimiing the beauty and necessity of tolerance, not me.  Show me how you are being tolerant of my views, what ever they are.

    The truth is you are ONLY tolerant of people who agree with you.  NEWSFLASH:  that's not tolerance, that's agreement.  Tolerance requires that you accept that others may think or act differently.  It does not mean that you accept their viewpoints.

     
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    Is it natural or rational to want your children to not tobe gay. To enjoy a normal lifestyle?

     

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    Put it this way:

    It's highly irrational to want your natural, rational gay child to not be gay.

    It's rational to want your child to be happy and fulfilled, whatever that entails.

    And what is a "normal" lifestyle, anyway...?  What if your heterosexual child decides not to have kids?  Is that "normal"...?

    And who said it was any of your business...?

     

     

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    Heck, if it all about how happy you kid is, why not let them shack up in your house with their significant other? What could possibly go wrong?

    the liberal mantra seems to be don't try to make your kids better, just make sure they are happy, regardless of their choices.

     

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    Better?  Straight is better than gay?  

    You've kind of put all your cards on the table on that one.

     

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    What ever floats their boat, as long as it makes them happy. Is that not the goal?

    Life is all about happiness, is it not?  No work, sacrifice, maybe considering that you are wrong, immorral, and so on.  no need to bring up kids with values.  They have all the values they need already.  Just make sure they are happy.

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    Denying your sexuality is not hard work or sacrifice - it's living a lie.  And teaching your kids that straight people are better than gay people is just twisted.  Why would you want anybody to believe his/her sexual orientation makes them innately better or worse than anybody else?  What possible good can come from that?

    So what do you want from your gay son?  Should he trick a woman into marrying him under the pretense that he is attracted to her?  Should he keep secrets from her and you, and your grand-children all his life, and never give into his base homo-sexual desires.  Is that the moral path?  Is that what he deserves, or what his wife, or kids, or you deserve?

    What if you're wrong, and homosexuals were created intentionally by God as homosexuals?  Then isn't your moral path actually sexually deviant, and therefore immoral?

     

     

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    And if you are wrong?  what then?

    Why do you throw out the red herring that thinking homosexuality is morally wrong means that people who think that hate homosexuals?  Quite the opposite.I guess by that standard you hate anyone who owns a gun.  Well, the left is just full of hate, are they not, which they cover with their suspect moral code that allows them to show hate and spit on anyone who disagrees.

    You line up with the radical agenda of the left, declare yourself morally superior on the basis that is is more caring to allow people to do whatever they want, everything in good.  that's not morally superior, that's morally bankrupt.

    Yet you insist on certain things being wrong:  Belief in God, defending youself with a gun, being responsible for yourself.  You do so in hateful ways, and you claim that is not hate.

    The problem with the left is not that their moral decisions are wrong, the problem is that the left doesn't make moral decisions.  the left makes moral proclamations without any thought as to the truth, and typically does so with more anger than anyone on the right could ever muster.

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    How would I be wrong?  Is there a God who creates people who must either deny their sexuality or deceive everyone around them all their lives?  Or is homosexuality something that can be overcome with hard work and perseverence?

    The former is hard to believe, because there is no way to live a moral life under those circumstances, and no clear-cut indication of which path is more moral than the other.  If the latter is true, nobody has come up with a "cure" yet, so what should a homosexual do?

    It seems to me, if you're right, the only way for a homosexual to live a moral life is to do so utterly alone, and in celibacy.  Is this your stance?  Is this not only your stance, but you feel that the left is lazy and bankrupt for not sharing this stance?  Isn't it possible for an atheist, or agnostic, or Unitarian, or Hindu to be a moral person, live in step with his God, and have no issue with homosexuality? 

    FYI, I don't know how you're reading this, but I feel like it's a reasonably respecful exchange - there's not much anger on my part, and certainly no hate.  

     

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    Your first mistake was to engage Skeeter with reason. His blind (emphasis on blind) faith leaves him immune to such simple mortal concepts as "reason" and "rationality".
    Your second mistake was to include other faiths in your argument. His particular personal faith is an incredibly narrow and uneducated bunker in which he hides.

     

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    Religion has nothing to do with my position.  My position is common sense.  This thread is about tolerance, right?  Show me your tolerance for whatever you think my position is (you have it wrong, BTW).

    While we are at it, show me the "science" to support your position.

     
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