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Give up burgers and stop climate change!

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    Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Why do liberals hate science, and rely upon absurd exaggeration and hyperbole?

    For loony lefty syndicated columnist David Sirota, it's all just another day at the office. Sirota made national news for his bizarre and bigoted hope that the Boston bomber would turn out to be "a white American."

    Fresh off that fiasco, Sirota has turned his sights to changing the climate by changing America's diet. According to Sirota's May 2 column screeching about imminent "catastrophic climate change", "the fastest way to reduce climate change" simply "requires us all to eat fewer animal products." In cast that wasn't sufficiently clear, he added that "we are incinerating the planet and dooming future generations simply because too many of us like to eat cheeseburgers." Sirota's article on the left-wing site Salon included a photo of what appeared to be a bacon cheeseburger with an egg on top of it.

    "That's right; essentially, if every fourth time someone craved, say, beef, chicken or cow milk they instead opted for a veggie burger, a bean burrito or water, we have a chance to halt the emergency," he added.

    Sirito also claimed that "some conservatives will read this column and send me email smugly pledging to eat even more meat than they already do, just to make some incoherent point about freedom".

    As opposed to Sirota's incoherent idiocy about eating a burger causing global warming! What if I ride my bike to get a burger, does that make it carbon-neutral? 

    Of course, the best news regarding pollution in decades is....fracking and the increased use of natural gas. Not the "bean burrito" kind!

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Well...does this mean I have to give up turkey burgers..? Because if I have to give up turkey burgers then I can't support this.


    All kidding aside..the article simplifies what is a very complicated issue. Do some research on our industrial agriculture and then come back to the class. I have a feeling that you may feel somewhat diffferently.

    Still ..there is only so much we can do isn't there? Myself..I tend to buy and support local agriculture and business first.

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Wow, not just a doooshbag, but a blithering idiot.  That's cool.

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    "the fastest way to reduce climate change" simply "requires us all to eat fewer animal products."

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    Excellent.  No need for all that cap and trade and carbon footprint non-sense.  Kyoto-Schmyoto

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    Accurate but impractical



    Accurate? Definitely not. Liberals mock what they think is conservative's lack of awareness of the rest of the world...yet in global warming, the leftist myopia is laughable. Even if climate change is caused by man-made actions like carbon pollution, if all Americans stopped eating beef immediately  ( I rarely do, my belief is it is bad for one's health) ...it would make zero difference in climate. ZERO. The US is only a minute part of the planet!

    This article is so scientifically idiotic,  it makes belief in creationism and dinosaurs roaming the earth with man,  look solid by comparison!

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Miscricket, I've done the research. Beef, especially locally grown grass fed beef, is far more environmentally frendly than, for example, the GMO corn or wheat that you get in the processed foods you'd find in a typical supermarket.

    Ask a farmer about the kind of devastation to the local wildlife wrought by a thresher machine passing through the fields at harvest time. Sorry vegans, by eating the foods you eat you're supporting the mass killing of small mammals.

    What's the best thing for the environment? Locally grown organic non-GMO vegetables and grass-fed meats. 

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    In response to StalkingButler's comment:

     

    Miscricket, I've done the research. Beef, especially locally grown grass fed beef, is far more environmentally frendly than, for example, the GMO corn or wheat that you get in the processed foods you'd find in a typical supermarket.

    Ask a farmer about the kind of devastation to the local wildlife wrought by a thresher machine passing through the fields at harvest time. Sorry vegans, by eating the foods you eat you're supporting the mass killing of small mammals.

    What's the best thing for the environment? Locally grown organic non-GMO vegetables and grass-fed meats. 

     




    Hi StalkingButler...I agree and Michael Pollan would agree with you also. I've read several books on the subject and the general consensus is by local and buy grass fed. I try to do both whenever possible. That processed food you talk about is what is damaging to not only the environment but to people's health. With the addition of hidden sugars in processed food ( such as high fructose corn syrup..etc) it's no wonder diseases like diabetes are at an all time high. The best rule of thumb for everyone's general well being is to limit or eliminate processed food.


    FYI..those turkey burgers I jokingly referred to in my original reply come from a local family owned farm that is not afraid to tell their customers what the turkeys are being fed :-) I have never purchased a turkey burger from a grocery store.

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Hi Miscricket - Agree with you completely.  Consuming the processed foods being provided to us by industrial agri-business with their high reliance on high fructose corn syrup and GMO grains along with hormone laden meats are a guarantee of eventual health problems. But that's a topic for a different day and forum.

     

     

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    Oh damn....guess I messed up environment this weekend with that tasty burger I had. Oopsie...

    Oh...I did have a water with it so does that offset???




    Not if it was bottled :-))

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

    In response to miscricket's comment:

     

    In response to FortySixAndTwo's comment:

     

    Oh damn....guess I messed up environment this weekend with that tasty burger I had. Oopsie...

    Oh...I did have a water with it so does that offset???

     




    Not if it was bottled :-))

     

     



    Non bottled...right from the tap with ice....whew...: )

     




    Haha...you're safe...but wow..close call :-)

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Accurate? Definitely not.

    He's talking about Cow farts.

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    That certainly gives this idiot credence

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to GreginMeffa's comment:

    Accurate? Definitely not.

     

    He's talking about Cow farts.

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    That certainly gives this idiot credence

     

     


    Insofar as identifying one source of global warming, it does:

     

    Atmospheric methane Main article: Atmospheric methane 2011 methane concentration in the upper troposphere[39]

    Methane is created near the Earth's surface, primarily by microorganisms by the process of methanogenesis. It is carried into the stratosphere by rising air in the tropics. Uncontrolled build-up of methane in the atmosphere is naturally checked – although human influence can upset this natural regulation – by methane's reaction with hydroxyl radicals formed from singlet oxygen atoms and with water vapor. It has a net lifetime of about 10 years,[40] and is primarily removed by conversion to carbon dioxide and water.

    Methane also affects the degradation of the ozone layer.[41][42]

    In addition, there is a large (but unknown) amount of methane in methane clathrates in the ocean floors as well as the Earth's crust. Most methane is the result of biological process called methanogenesis.

    In 2010, methane levels in the Arctic were measured at 1850 nmol/mol, a level over twice as high as at any time in the 400,000 years prior to the industrial revolution. Historically, methane concentrations in the world's atmosphere have ranged between 300 and 400 nmol/mol during glacial periods commonly known as ice ages, and between 600 to 700 nmol/mol during the warm interglacial periods. It has a high global warming potential: 72 times that of carbon dioxide over 20 years, and 25 times over 100 years,[43] and the levels are rising. Recent research suggests that the Earth's oceans are a potentially important new source of Arctic methane.[44]

    A Bristol University study published in Nature claims that methane under the Antarctic Ice Sheet may yet play an important role globally. Researchers believe these sub-ice environments to be biologically active, in that microbes are converting organic carbon to carbon dioxide and methane.[45]

    Methane in the Earth's atmosphere is an important greenhouse gas with a global warming potential of 25 compared to CO2 over a 100-year period (although accepted figures probably represent an underestimate[46]). This means that a methane emission will have 25 times the effect on temperature of a carbon dioxide emission of the same mass over the following 100 years. Methane has a large effect for a brief period (a net lifetime of 8.4 years in the atmosphere), whereas carbon dioxide has a small effect for a long period (over 100 years). Because of this difference in effect and time period, the global warming potential of methane over a 20 year time period is 72. The Earth's atmospheric methane concentration has increased by about 150% since 1750, and it accounts for 20% of the total radiative forcing from all of the long-lived and globally mixed greenhouse gases (these gases don't include water vapor which is by far the largest component of the greenhouse effect).[47] Usually, excess methane from landfills and other natural producers of methane is burned so CO2 is released into the atmosphere instead of methane, because methane is a more effective greenhouse gas. Recently, methane emitted from coal mines has been successfully utilized to generate electricity.

     

     

    The solution of telling people to not eat meat is certainly foolish. If Americans can't even stop driving Hummers, there's no way they'll stop eating meat.

    And I love a good steak.

    But he is right that farm animals produce a tremendous amount of methane....




    Great.  So the "quickest way" is to eliminate animals.  Or is it only White animals.  Yea, this dude is a genius

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    Ah...whether the crop is being threshed for cow feed or human feed, it's still being threshed..

    Perhaps you missed the "grass fed" part...

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    "Ya. so sorry that science disagrees with your redneck, bassackwards view of reality. According to denier conspiricist like you, we never actually landed on the moon because gov't doesn't do anything right.How about you keep your ignorance in dixie, and we'll keep creating cutting edge techonolgy.Nothing sadder than a redneck biting the hand that feeds it."

    According to Milken rankings, true enough, Massachusetts is first among states  in the realm of "high tech".

    Mass. better not look behind though, someone is gaining ....Maryland is second and the redneck dixie jerkwater of Virginia, a lofty sixth and climbing, with a bullet.

    I am a "redneck" ?  LOL! You did wear out using 'wacko wingnut'....

     
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    Re: Give up burgers and stop climate change!

    If we don't eat the cows, won't they just overpopulate and then the world will tip over?

     
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