GOP Blocks GOPer Hagel Over Deference to Israel and Religious Fundamentalism

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    Reminds one of Sen. Helms blocking the nomination of Mr. Weld to be ambassador to Mexico when one senator could do so.

     
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    Hagel was awful in his hearing, really disqualified himself on that alone, but the President holds on. There are more objections to him than this matter over his comment on Israel.

    Evil = dogma? That's a laugh.  I guess it's dogma to oppose terrorist nations now? Who knew? Or do you support these terrorists? 



    Please.  The line of questioning was beyond ludicrous.

    Sen. Cruz accused Hagel point-blank of taking bribes from North Korea and Saudi Arabia.  WTF!!

     

    Yes, it's dogma when people use religious terms to describe political situations.  This is a cabinet appointment; it's NOT a battle of "good vs. evil", no matter how much some think it is.

     

     
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    Yes.. We used to be an ally with the nation of Isreal... until Obama sided with the Muslims.

     



    You are a liar.

     

     

     

     
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    I guess you'd say it's okay for the evil Dems to do it.

    Yep, they're "evil" Dems....spoooky, huh?  Better get an exorcist or string of garlic or something.


    It's simply beyond the pale, and some of the gopers have lost their minds in a cloud of fundamentalist religious insanity.

     

     

     
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    Sen. Cruz accused Hagel point-blank of taking bribes from North Korea and Saudi Arabia.  WTF!!

      

     



    Cruz wouldn't know honor and duty if it smacked him in the face. He mouths platitudes, plays the game for his own advantage, and is more than willing to dishonor those who've done what he is obviously afraid to do himself, serving with distinction.

     

    Ted Cruz  has been in the Senate for all of a about a month, but has already compiled an impressive voting record.  He is the only senator who has been on the losing side of every vote he has taken this term....0 for 11.

    You might think he'd feel a little embarrassed by this self-marginalization, or worry that Texas voters will start to realize how far out of the mainstream he really is. But naturally, Mr. Cruz is proud of himself.

     
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    It's the SAME politics used by both sides.

     



    Not really.

    Since when do Dems use scripture to oppose a perfectly rational cabinet appointment from their own party....?

    all while paying allegiance to Israel over the needs of American soldiers.

     

     

     
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    The messiah les his azz off but I'm the liar. Okay.

     



    Yes. Both could be true.

    But in this case, it's just you.

     
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    In response to MattyScornD's comment:

     

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    I guess you'd say it's okay for the evil Dems to do it.

     

     

    Yep, they're "evil" Dems....spoooky, huh?  Better get an exorcist or string of garlic or something.


    It's simply beyond the pale, and some of the gopers have lost their minds in a cloud of fundamentalist religious insanity.

     

     

     



    It's the SAME politics used by both sides.

     

    Don't play a victem.




    Once again, the word is "victim", not "victem". Idiot.

     
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    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340355/inhofe-postpone-hagel-vote-robert-costa

     

    Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, the ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee, tells National Review Online that he will “postpone” the nomination of Chuck Hagel, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense.

    “I’ll do that for as long as it takes,” he says, firmly. “I’m going to make sure there is a 60-vote margin.”

    “Hagel may be passed out of the committee, but it’s going to be a long, long time before he hits the floor,” Inhofe says. “We’re going to need as much time as possible, and there are going to be several of us who will have holds.”

    “Each day that goes by will make it more difficult for Democrats who say they are pro-Israel to hold out,” Inhofe explains. “I want everyone to be very clear about his past statements and his positions.”

    Inhofe says he will not block Hagel’s committee vote on Tuesday. Instead, he will focus entirely on an extended floor fight over the final confirmation. “He’s definitely going to make it out of the committee,” he predicts.

    The Oklahoma senator, who has been one of Hagel’s fiercest critics, says that he will not walk out of the committee vote, as some have rumored.

    Inhofe’s main concern remains Hagel’s position on Israel. “The anti-Israel history of Chuck Hagel is real,” he says. “We can’t have someone at the Pentagon who has made these kind of statements.”

    Hagel’s financial-disclosure issues, he adds, are not central to why he’s working to postpone the nomination. “That doesn’t bother me,” he says. “To me, that’s minor.”

    Religious fanatic Inhofe in 2002:

    I believe very strongly that we ought to support Israel; that it has a right to the land. This is the most important reason: Because God said so. As I said a minute ago, look it up in the Book of Genesis. It is right up there on the desk. In Genesis 13:14–17, the Bible says:

    The Lord said to Abraham, “Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward and westward: for all the land which you see, to you will I give it, and to your seed forever. . . . Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it to thee.” That is God talking.

    The Bible says that Abraham removed his tent and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar before the Lord. Hebron is in the West Bank. It is at this place where God appeared to Abram and said, “I am giving you this land — the West Bank”. This is not a political battle at all. It is a contest over whether or not the word of God is true.

     

    Emphasis mine.  To borrow a conservative meme: if Inhofe loves Israel so much, he should go serve in the Knesset, not here.

    Fundamentalism like this is not faith.  It's a mental disorder.  And it is close cousins with the same rigid theology that fuels jihad around the globe.

     

     

     

     



    I would like to respond, but jedwarnicky say that I can't bring religion into the argument.  Only anti-religious input is allowed.

     

     



    Do you even know the difference between Judaism and the nation of Israel?

     

     

     

     



    Yes.. We used to be an ally with the nation of Isreal... until Obama sided with the Muslims.

     



    Your response shows that you don't know the difference either.

     
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    Look.  Hagel is a bone-headed appointment.  The guy took money from Saudi Arabia and Hamas.  In the Bush years, that concept was akin to treason.  now, it's a hillary-esque "what difference does it make?"

    Can we at least get someone who is with the program?

     
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    Hagel is another Barry Lackey. A crooked YES man.

     



    A crooked republican YES man.

    So much for gop's purported respect for 'reaching across the aisle', eh...?

     

     

     

     
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    Look.  Hagel is a bone-headed appointment.  The guy took money from Saudi Arabia and Hamas.  In the Bush years, that concept was akin to treason.  now, it's a hillary-esque "what difference does it make?"

    Can we at least get someone who is with the program?



    Saudi Arabia is an ally.  We know by the way the King held hands with Bush so lovingly.

    The Hamas thing is only a rumor.  Unsubstantiated.  But who cares when the meme is so juicy, right...?  You guys will believe anything.

     

     

     

     
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    Hagel was awful in his hearing, really disqualified himself on that alone, but the President holds on. There are more objections to him than this matter over his comment on Israel.

    Evil = dogma? That's a laugh.  I guess it's dogma to oppose terrorist nations now? Who knew? Or do you support these terrorists? 

     



    Please.  The line of questioning was beyond ludicrous.

     

    Sen. Cruz accused Hagel point-blank of taking bribes from North Korea and Saudi Arabia.  WTF!!

     

    Yes, it's dogma when people use religious terms to describe political situations.  This is a cabinet appointment; it's NOT a battle of "good vs. evil", no matter how much some think it is.

     

     



    That evil is a religious word to you is your problem. That is ridiculous.

     

    THe fact that you and those that think like you cannot see it when it is as plain as the nose on your face is telling. And it is the reason this conflict goes on and on. The Terrorists get comfort and encouragement from people with your attitude. They are rewarded for their bad behavior.

    ANd here is some more on you angel (oh, sorry for the religious conotation) Hagel:

    He claimed the State Department was controlled by Israel. Right. THe State Dept. is like you, they can't see the idiocy in declaring Hamas a terrorist organization and not condeming Palestine as a haven of genocidal maniacs.

    http://freebeacon.com/report-hagel-said-state-department-controlled-by-israel/

    Your nuance is getting in your way. You make something simple complicated.

     



    "Evil" quite clearly denotes an element of morality, the province of religion for the religious-minded.  I get annoyed when people try to ascribe morality to political issues that are decidedly amoral in concept.  It's how people get too emotional over situations best handled rationally.

    My whole point is that certain gop senators are using bible quotes to block a cabinet appointment purely out of a fanatical devotion to israeli concerns over american concerns.  It doesn't make any sense unless there are other motives.

    I have no problem with what Hagel said, the actual quote being, "The State Department has become adjunct to the Israeli Foreign Minister’s office…"

    But nobody can say why such a quote is any real reason for him not to get the job...again, unless they have other motives they're not expressing in public.  It's really no secret that the israeli leadership has had a direct influence on american foreign policy and not always to our best interests.

    The GOP senators are the ones making a simple thing complicated.  Not me.

     

     
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    Why do Neo Con Chickenhawks always have trouble with those who were courageous enough to fight for our country ?

     
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