GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion

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    For those who only hear about these failing companies one by one, the following is a list of all the clean energy companies supported by President Obama’s stimulus that are now failing or have filed for bankruptcy. The liberal media hopes you’ve forgotten about all of them except Solyndra, but we haven’t.

    Evergreen Solar
    SpectraWatt
    Solyndra (received $535 million)
    Beacon Power (received $43 million)
    AES’ subsidiary Eastern Energy
    Nevada Geothermal (received $98.5 million)
    SunPower (received $1.5 billion)
    First Solar (received $1.46 billion)
    Babcock & Brown (an Australian company which received $178 million)
    Ener1 (subsidiary EnerDel received $118.5 million)
    Amonix (received 5.9 million)
    The National Renewable Energy Lab
    Fisker Automotive
    Abound Solar (received $400 million)
    Chevy Volt (taxpayers basically own GM)
    Solar Trust of America
    A123 Systems (received $279 million)
    Willard & Kelsey Solar Group (received $6 million)
    Johnson Controls (received $299 million)
    Schneider Electric (received $86 million)

    That’s 19 (that we know of so far). We also know that loans went to foreign clean energy companies (Fisker sent money to their overseas plant to develop an electric car), and that 80% of these loans went to President Obama’s campaign donors.

     
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    Of course this all has not much to do with the GOPs take on rape and abortion.    Funny how the game "telephone" has evolved.
    Posted by BilltheKat



    About as much as one poliitician's pov has to do with the GOPs platform.

    Kind of like how Mitt Romney's taxes have taken precedence in the liberal media over more relevent domestic problems facing the country.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : The oil industry employs 8 million Americans, how many do you suppose Obama has put to work the past three years in green energy using US Tax dollars?
    Posted by ThatWasMe

    Green energy and hybrid automobiles including housing and infrastructure is the most exiting American endeavor since computers became mainstream. Universities are in overdrive paving the way for future green engineers. Stop being a curmudgeon. With every new endeavor there are always failures. Remember Everex, AT&T, IBM and Canon micro PCs (and a slew of others)? But in the end, well that computer fad just didn't go away, now did it? 

    Bet you railed against that too! 

     

     
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    Same idiots, same jingo parroting blah blah blah. No wonder you clowns are still unemployed!!! Really what human being with any substantial existence post over 10000X in a 3 year period? 1600 in 5 months ? 11000 xs in 3 years. I figure you guys are shut ins, agoraphobic or just anti social miscreants.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Green energy and hybrid automobiles including housing and infrastructure is the most exiting American endeavor since computers became mainstream. Universities are in overdrive paving the way for future green engineers. Stop being a curmudgeon. With every new endeavor there are always failures. Remember Everex, AT&T, IBM and Canon micro PCs (and a slew of others)? But in the end, well that computer fad just didn't go away, now did it?  Bet you railed against that too!   
    Posted by BilltheKat


    If you read some of what I wrote you would have read that I said I was for green energy but it wasn't there yet.

    The market will determine when green energy is  a viable competitive source of energy not a politician using us Tax dollars to prop up green energy companies owned by democrat donors.

    Green energy cannot compete with domesticated natural gas which is booming without any help from the government.
     
    Much to the chagrin of the green lobby.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Green energy and hybrid automobiles including housing and infrastructure is the most exiting American endeavor since computers became mainstream. Universities are in overdrive paving the way for future green engineers. Stop being a curmudgeon. With every new endeavor there are always failures. Remember Everex, AT&T, IBM and Canon micro PCs (and a slew of others)? But in the end, well that computer fad just didn't go away, now did it?  Bet you railed against that too!   
    Posted by BilltheKat


    All the companies you mention were bouyed by the market not by tax dollars.

    All had a product to sell that was competitive was financially a viable product to the buyers.

    None of the companies that you mention were propped up by the goverment they made it on their own. 
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : It's sad that it is their platform..however, having that as their platform isn't going to overturn Roe v Wade. It's here to stay. Posted by WhichOnesPink2


    It's no use for you to argue that many conservatives want to eliminate abortion entirely, because many, if not a majority, do, especially if measured by their reps in congress.

    Several states have enacted provisions that would ban abortion outright if Roe is overturned.  (ANY law can be overturned by the USSC.)

    In lieu of that judicial scenario, however, some state legs are doing everything they can to run abortion providers out of their towns and states.

    And in the meantime, they will continue to argue about vague terms like "forcible rape" or "legitimate rape" to try and drive their point home.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Are you serious? How are f'ing gunships at all remotely comparable to passenger civilian vehicles in net pollution produced?
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    Nothing I know of other than oil that will an airplane off the ground.

    Of course the chevy volt was a big seller for 40K is that out of production yet?

    The energy market will continue to driven by cost.

    Me I'm look for a late model corvette with a big V8.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Well, ok, but the problem is the election is about picking between two sets of spinners and liars. Other than saying fossil fuels are bad, just how much has Obama actually managed to do policy wise in clamping down on domestic production or consumption? Virtually nothing, except supporting clean energy companies. Some failed. This, we were told, was proof of a deal with the devil and/or evil unions. Not a genuine honest attempt to spur along the technology, with a few of the companies going under. The bigger lies seem to be coming from the Rs on this front.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow



    it's actually pretty simple oil coal and natural gas are cheap in great abundance easily brought much more so than green energy.

    The market, cost will determine what powers our cars, heats our homes and flies our airplanes not Barack Obama.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Why just volt? He was responding to anti-hybrid attacks by pointing out that now that the industry has had some more time to develop, we're seing more and more genuinely attractive/viable hybrid cars. If you're going to respond with a gunship, I've got to balk. How is the fact that no one is working on a hybrid military vehicle mean it's somehow bad to have good hybrid civilian cars?
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    If you have 40k to pay for a new car would you buy a volt?

    I think I said a few time I'm for green energy but it is not there yet.

    And I do prefer it to be developed by private industry.

    If they can it right there will be a market for it.

    And when you take your hybrid home and plug it in for a recharge keep in mind that 40 percent of the nation's power grid is powered by coal.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : And just how many billions were wasted on the one extra jet engine the military doesn't even want?
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow



    Huh?

    Elaborate please.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : And just how many billions were wasted on the jet engine the military doesn't even want? Of course you read conspiracy into "80% of these loans went to President Obama’s campaign donors." Assuming that's right, the result should be unsurprising to a person who stops ten seconds before thinking: Clean energy companies are not going to donate to politicians who oppose clean energy!
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow



    It's rare for the government to invest taxpayer money into private industry in this case green energy startups like Obama has.

    Kind of unprecedented.

    But then to invest in private industries who have heavilly contibuted to your campaign doesn't exactly pass the smell test.

    In the case of Solyndra when that company went bankrupt the investors who were also Obama donors were paid off before the Government taxpayers.

    The American taxpayers were left holding the bag (535 million)..
     
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    The energy market will continue to driven by cost. Posted by ThatWasMe


    Which is one reason why nobody is building coal plants any more...the costs (practical, environmental, etc.) are all too great.

    Not too long ago, lots homes had coal furnaces.  No more. 

    We're better than that, or at least we should be.  I prefer we lead by example rather than take the (short-term) cheaper, dirtier way out.

    All that said, the best, most practical form of energy conservation is to use less of it.  That's what hybrids and plug-ins are all about.

    Long after we're gone, people will be dumbfounded that we dug our energy source out of the ground in the form of petrified carbon...when the sun, wind and water were available to us the whole time.

     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Which is one reason why nobody is building coal plants any more...the costs (practical, environmental, etc.) are all too great. Not too long ago, lots homes had coal furnaces.  No more.  We're better than that, or at least we should be.  I prefer we lead by example rather than take the (short-term) cheaper, dirtier way out. All that said, the best, most practical form of energy conservation is to use less of it.  That's what hybrids and plug-ins are all about. Long after we're gone, people will be dumbfounded that we dug our energy source out of the ground in the form of petrified carbon...when the sun, wind and water were available to us the whole time.
    Posted by MattyScornD


    The're not building them anymore because of the new regulations by the Obama EPA.

    The new plants burn cleaner. Coal provides 40 percent of our nation's electricity.

    Without cheap energy everything goes up.

    The price of doing business, energy for homes and factories cost of just about everything..

    Barack Obama's Anti-Coal Policies Will Raise Energy Prices
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2012/06/14/barack-obamas-anit-coal-policy-will-raise-electricity-prices

    Obama’s EPA admits regulations will kill coal industry






     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Which is one reason why nobody is building coal plants any more...the costs (practical, environmental, etc.) are all too great. Not too long ago, lots homes had coal furnaces.  No more.  We're better than that, or at least we should be.  I prefer we lead by example rather than take the (short-term) cheaper, dirtier way out. All that said, the best, most practical form of energy conservation is to use less of it.  That's what hybrids and plug-ins are all about. Long after we're gone, people will be dumbfounded that we dug our energy source out of the ground in the form of petrified carbon...when the sun, wind and water were available to us the whole time.
    Posted by MattyScornD



    Where were these environmentalist fanatics when Dewitt Clinton dug a ditch from Buffalo to Albany?

    When Commodore vanderbuilt ran RR tracks up the east bank of the Hudson from NY to Albany?

    When they blew up the Sierras to built the transcontinental railroad?

    When they dammed the Columbia to build the Hoover dam?

    There is a trade-off, no one like clean air and water as much as I do but we also need jobs for our young people and cheap energy to drive our economy.

    The people on the left today have lost it a caribou herd is Alaska more important then developing domestic energy to run our economy.
     
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    Everyone complains about the lack of jobs yet deny Americans from developing our own domestic energy.

    Where do you think the econmy would be today if Obama had used part of the 850 billion stimulus putting people to work developing domestic energy? 
     
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    Everyone complains about the lack of jobs yet deny Americans from developing our own domestic energy. Where do you think the econmy would be today if Obama had used part of the 850 billion stimulus putting people to work developing domestic energy? 
    Posted by ThatWasMe


    First you complain about the stinulus money that went to green energy development .  And now you complain that stimulus money wasn't used to develop domestic sources of energy.  Make up your mind.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Billions were spent by government to develop and engine the military was saying it didn't want. It helps put the clean energy loans in perspective. There is waste everywhere, and quite honestly, the outright waste massively outweighs the relatively small outlays for Obama's green energy policies. Especially when the losses only result with the few companies that have gone under.
    Posted by WhatDoYouWantNow


    Not sure what you are referring to without an actual link to the topic.

    But no one has said there isn't waste in military spending.

    Most of it is determined by politicians vying for pork or local investments.

    But as a taxpayer I'm all for a robust military to keep us and our interests safe.

    It's not up to the President of the US to invest US tax money into private industry to try to pick winners and losers.

    Shut down the coal industry but spend tax dollars on green energy, which has turned out to be a big waste of federal tax dollars based on all the bankruptcies i listed earlier.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : First you complain about the stinulus money that went to green energy development .  And now you complain that stimulus money wasn't used to develop domestic sources of energy.  Make up your mind.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    I didn't complain I suggested it was a better way to put people to work.

    Get us off of foreign oil put Americans to work, Americans buying American energy, lowering the cost of energy.





     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : First you complain about the stinulus money that went to green energy development .  And now you complain that stimulus money wasn't used to develop domestic sources of energy.  Make up your mind.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    Domestic natural gas can be liquified to run our vehicles or heat our homes, run our factories and it burns clean.

    We have a lot of it.

    UPS is currently converting it national fleet to liquified natural gas.
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : The're not building them anymore because of the new regulations by the Obama EPA. The new plants burn cleaner. Coal provides 40 percent of our nation's electricity. Without cheap energy everything goes up. The price of doing business, energy for homes and factories cost of just about everything.. Barack Obama's Anti-Coal Policies Will Raise Energy Prices http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2012/06/14/barack-obamas-anit-coal-policy-will-raise-electricity-prices Obama’s EPA admits regulations will kill coal industry
    Posted by ThatWasMe


    Because the regulations save lives - from the mining to shipping to burning - coal starts and ends filthy with numerous waste products and horrible environmental effects.  It's just not worth it.  Ask just about every industrial city in China and India.

    Coal as a % of total electricity has been dropping for years, so blaming Obama doesn't help your argument or your credibility.  Of course, we'll have coal for a little longer, maybe 50 years, but that should be the end of it.

    Gasoline and the internal combustion engine?  Same thing.  Far too cheap for the amount of damage it causes.

    We can certainly talk about the right mix of fossil fuels to renewables and the best policies to reach that goal.  It's a debate worth having.  But the fossil fuel companies don't want to talk about it.

    Lastly talk about eliminating the EPA (ergo, Mitt) does nobody any good whatsoever.  I absolutely refuse to sell out our natural wealth for a few pennies per gallon of gas - a gross violation of the public trust.

     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Where were these environmentalist fanatics when Dewitt Clinton dug a ditch from Buffalo to Albany? When Commodore vanderbuilt ran RR tracks up the east bank of the Hudson from NY to Albany? When they blew up the Sierras to built the transcontinental railroad? When they dammed the Columbia to build the Hoover dam? There is a trade-off, no one like clean air and water as much as I do but we also need jobs for our young people and cheap energy to drive our economy. The people on the left today have lost it a caribou herd is Alaska more important then developing domestic energy to run our economy.
    Posted by ThatWasMe


    Interesting examples...

    ...all of which were intensely co-operative projects that drew upon both private and public sector interests and expertise.

    These are the types of partnerships we should be encouraging now, but unlike before, the govt doesn't have the money and the private sector doesn't have the cojones OR the werewithal to create something meaningful other than investment algorithms and accounting schemes to pad their bottom lines.

    Instead...we get a failure of both, i.e. Katrina, Upper Big Branch, Deepwater Horizon, and so on....
     
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    In Response to Re: GOP clarifies its view on rape/abortion : Domestic natural gas can be liquified to run our vehicles or heat our homes, run our factories and it burns clean. We have a lot of it. UPS is currently converting it national fleet to liquified natural gas.
    Posted by ThatWasMe


    Frack you on the natural gas.  I got no problem with natural gas.  It's replacing coal in the process of making electricity.  Doesn't fracking require a lot of water?  And doen't it run the risk of contaminating well water.  Still preferable to tar sands, which seems to have the worst aspects of strip mining for coal and gold mining.  They dig down to the tar sands.  Create huge cauldrons with hot water and tar sands to seperate the oil, leaving behind a pool of toxic waste.

    I wish solar panels would go the way of computer hard disks.  A terabyte can fit in the same physical space as 20 MB did 30 years ago.
     
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