GOP's shifting shutdown messaging

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    GOP's shifting shutdown messaging

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    Three days into the federal shutdown, Republicans are beginning to admit that, contrary to everything they told us, they didn’t really close the government to stop Obamacare. They did it, and will keep doing it, to gain leverage in the coming fight over the debt ceiling. The government will stay shut for the next two weeks so that the GOP can accumulate power.

    This isn’t Democratic spin. It’s what Republicans themselves are telling reporters, particularly the conservative media. Last night in the Washington Examiner, David Drucker reported:

    House GOP leaders and most of their rank and file never supported conservatives' efforts to use the budget bill and the threat of a government shutdown to defund Obamacare … But having gone as far as they have, House Republicans now say they won't back down. And they expect to score political points in the process.

    The real target, according to Drucker’s sources, is the deadline for raising the debt ceiling, which is two weeks away:

    [House] Republicans said Wednesday that the spending impasse that shut down the government early Tuesday is less about conservatives' desire to derail Obamacare than it is about strengthening their hand in the debt-ceiling talks. … “We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    Drucker’s account matches what Republicans are telling other outlets. In the Washington Post, Paul Kane reports that House Speaker John Boehner never wanted to use the shutdown threat to stop Obamacare. Nevertheless, Boehner joined this assault in order to head off a “rebellion” in his caucus. As a result, the speaker has

    kept sending the Senate bills that would completely defund or delay the health-care law, knowing it would lead to a shutdown. … Now that Boehner has survived several days of the shutdown, his friends say there is no point in moving a clean funding resolution. They said the shutdown is leverage in talks with Obama and the Democrats about lifting the debt ceiling.

    On Wednesday, according to Robert Costa of the National Review, “Boehner called groups of members to his Capitol office all day, taking their temperature on the shutdown and the debt limit. It became clear, members say, that Boehner’s chief goal is conference unity as the debt limit nears.” In The Hill, Molly Hooper found the GOP abandoning its original message:

    Republicans, including those same conservatives, attempted to shift the conversation away from defunding ObamaCare to larger items such as entitlement spending and tax reform. … Stutzman added that those same conservatives essentially stopped talking as much about ObamaCare and have moved on to broader economic matters.

    What do these reports tell us? Two things. First, Boehner lied. Here’s what he told the country on Sept. 30, the day before the shutdown:

    I didn’t come here to shut down the government.  I came here to fight for a smaller, less costly and more accountable federal government. But here we find ourselves in this moment dealing with a law that’s causing unknown consequences and unknown damage to the American people and to our economy.  And that issue is ObamaCare.  … This is not about me, and it’s not about Republicans here in Congress.  It’s about fairness for the American people.

    There’s no way to square that statement with the latest disclosures. Boehner never believed in trading the shutdown threat for Obamacare. He knew what he’d get was a shutdown.

    Second, contrary to what he told us, it’s all about Republicans in Congress. By their own paraphrased admissions, it’s “about strengthening their hand in the debt-ceiling talks.” It’s “leverage” in the debt ceiling fight. They knew that the deadline for that fight was Oct. 17. Yet they choked off government funding on Oct. 1, under the pretense of stopping Obamacare. Today is Oct. 3. Republicans are prepared to keep the government closed for at least two more weeks, just to gain the upper hand in a future confrontation.

    Remember when these guys captured the House? They said they weren’t coming here to play the Washington game. What an excellent joke.

     

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/10/shutdown_leverage_forget_obamacare_republicans_are_using_the_shutdown_as.single.html

     
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    “We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    The answer is nothing.  You'll get nothing.  Obamacare is going nowhere.

    Time to stop playing nice with these people. The Republican "strategy" contains the seeds of its own destruction. Let the strategy play out; let the Republicans reap what they have sown.

    Eventually, the Repubs will end up accepting the exact same terms that Robert E. Lee did: unconditional surrender. 

     
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    "Maybe next they'll go after the Civil Rights Act with the same strategy..."

     

    Why am I not surprised he went there

    The Repubs are being foolish and should move on from all this....but come on..Civil Rights Act??? A55!

     
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    In response to UserName9's comment:

    “We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

    The answer is nothing.  You'll get nothing.  Obamacare is going nowhere.

    Time to stop playing nice with these people. The Republican "strategy" contains the seeds of its own destruction. Let the strategy play out; let the Republicans reap what they have sown.

    Eventually, the Repubs will end up accepting the exact same terms that Robert E. Lee did: unconditional surrender. 



    I'm not so confident that Obama is resolute enough to pull it off. He always seems to end up giving more than he gets.

     

     
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    This is the Democratic shifting shutdown messaging...

    The hyperbolic nasty talking points that you dont negotiate with "terrorists" and "extortionists" didn't do so well. This 18th Govt shutdown was "unprecedented" and unlike the last 17!! Why? Well, because Dems say so.

    Dems abandoning this message, and sanely realizing the Republicans have a strong hand regarding fiscal issues.

    Dems claimed yesterday they already "surrendered to the terrorists", in that they agreed to lower increases in future spending !

    Hinting about some grand bargain, with some ObamaCare change (like repealing the medical device tax, at least), and the Great Spender Obama agreeing to sequester like trims...which will decrease his absurd deficit numbers.

    Obama brags now about federal spending "austerity"...never credits the sequester or Republicans, though...at least delaying by a short time the inevitable day when the socialists will run out of other peoples money, and cant print any more...

     Dems are sensitive about any light shining on their reckless looting of what's left of the Treasury.

     
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    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    This is the Democratic shifting shutdown messaging...



    lol. Oh my.

    I mean I would have been surprised at any other response, but wow.

     

    Republicans shift from saying the shutdown is about Obamacare to saying it's about debt limit leverage.

    CLC says no, that's Democrats. I suppose the Democrats used mind probes to take over the Repulicans and make them say things that they didn't mean.


    Mind probes made out of nano-thermite and airplane controllers or something.

    /eyeroll

     
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    In response to NowWhatDoYouWant's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    This is the Democratic shifting shutdown messaging...

     



    lol. Oh my.

     

    I mean I would have been surprised at any other response, but wow.

     

    Republicans shift from saying the shutdown is about Obamacare to saying it's about debt limit leverage.

    CLC says no, that's Democrats. I suppose the Democrats used mind probes to take over the Repulicans and make them say things that they didn't mean.


    Mind probes made out of nano-thermite and airplane controllers or something.

    /eyeroll




    This is not surprising. We have heard nothing from the GOP about Obamacare "concessions" since the exchanges went live. Most of the GOP knows that was a non starter. They'd already tried..what...42 times to get rid of ACA? Hasn't happened yet so they fools thought they'd hold the government hostage.

    Make no mistake that this was a calculated strategy though. Knowing the debt limit ceiling was fast approaching the GOP knew they could drag this out and when the Obamacare demands failed..they could re-frame the argument to be about the debt ceiling.

    The problem is the debt ceiling debate has to do with spending that Congress already authorized. We can't default on that debt otherwise there will be consequences that will be far reaching and long lasting. It will also be a nail in the coffin of the Republican Party. I think once Boehner sobers up he will realize this.

    No doubt we need to reform spending...in fact we really need to stop borrowing in order to pay our bills. That means making hard decisions...severe spending cuts or increases in revenue. As we've seen the strategy of tax cuts while at war did not work out so well.

     
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