Re: Great Moments in Nationalization of Healthcare
posted at 9/25/2013 10:57 AM EDT
In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
In response to portfolio1's comment:
In response to Hansoribrother's comment:
While veterans waited longer than ever in recent years for their wartime disability compensation, the Department of Veterans Affairs gave its workers millions of dollars in bonuses for “excellent” performances that effectively encouraged them to avoid claims that needed extra work to document veterans’ injuries, a News21 investigation has found.
Yeah, let's turn the rest of our healthcare system to these clowns.
First I have to say - I am an Independent. I do not like either party. SO I have no political axe to grind (other than the desire to stop the buying of our government).
I agree with you that the VA has too often done a bad job. Sometimes quite shamefully. ANd yes I am being generous with my words. BUT... what is happening with the new health care law is taking away some of the same sort of shameful actions that the current system inflicts on everyone (except our elected officials!). In order to find new ways to make a buck insurance companies developed "strategies" to take our payments and then NOT deliver health care. People remained very sick and some were unable to continue working. SOMe people actually died because of the actions of insurance companies. If corporations were truly people some of them would be sentienced with capital punishment. The new law is eliminating some of the worst of those things that they do.
And while there is a lot of hot air regarding cost of health care, that has actually been one of the absolute failures of the current system. We pay more money for less medical care than almost all the rest of the world. Whether you look at it from a business point of view or a family point of view or individual point of view the way out of control increases in cost over years and years... AND YEARS... has led to this way out of control, run away cost but with no benefit to business, families or individuals.
One falsehood being told in order to create anger and fear for political gain (and again I am being quite generous with my words) is that the government will be doling out health insurance. Not only is it completely false, just look at the companies whose stocks have gone up the most the last couple of years. Insurance companies! Because the truth is they will continue to make good money in their business. If it were the goverfnment then health insurance companies would be seeing their stocks plumet. But is has been just the opposite!!! Everyone outside of Medicare (the most efficient health care we have in this country and which IS overseen by the government!) will be getting their health insurance from the PRIVATE SECTOR. Just the insirance companies will have a few less ways to steal your money - that is take your payments and yet not deliver what YOU pay for.
Repectfully, I suggest we all look at this issue soberly and not simply nod our heads to the words of some not very informed - or worse, some very misleading - talking heads. If there is any question... just follow the money. Health insurance companies are doing well and their stocks are way up. If you follow the money it does not lie.
There are plenty of distortions rolling around on Obamacare. Plenty of it is on the part of the President himself and the bald-faced lies he told to garner support. Another distortion used by proponents is that if you oppose Obamcare or want to defund it you are taking health care away from people.
That is just another lie told by proponents who themselves like to ignore the fact that Obamacare is mostly about insurance and misguided attempts to control healthcare cost to the government.
One reason we pay more money for health care here is because of our behavior which the heatlh care system cannot control. We are fat, lazy. We are violent with lots of healthcare devoted to gun shot wounds, crime and accidents.
Also our healthcare system is designed to treat people when they get sick, not to prevent them from getting sick in the first place. There are parts of Obamacare that could change that for the better.
It is hard to blame anyone right or left on this issue for misinformation on Obamacare. One of it's key strengths is its complexity and paradoxical changes.
But, as to the failure of the healthcare system in general: This is what happens when government gets more and more invovled with health care over time. Government spending on health care is at about 51%, give or take, so it has a massive dislocating effect on the system. That number is headed up to 66% with the provisions in OBamacare.
So, leave aside the ins and outs of underwriting and what is covered. That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't get tot the real issue here. The larger problem is that increased government spending on health care over the years has blown up the system, and as Obamacare rolls out, it will continue to dislocate.
What the politicians should have done, if they really had our best interests in mind, is work on ways to roll back the government intrusion into the market.