Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    As President Obama doubles down on his green energy initiative, maybe it’s time to look around the world and see how the foray into the future of rainbows and unicorn fa@rts is working out for our more progressive and forward-thinking allies. We’ll visit Spain, Germany and Australia and see how their campaigns to replace fossil fuels and nuclear energy in favor of wind and solar energy are working out for their economies.
    Spain is regretting its green energy adventure, restructuring generous subsidies which …… have been wildly successful at encouraging solar and wind farm construction. They have utterly failed, though, to help build profitable industries. Now the Spanish central government is dealing with a residual tariff deficit of €4.5 billion [$5.9 billion] for this year alone. That’s the difference between the amount Spanish consumers pay for electricity and the cost of producing it.

    Not surprisingly, industry groups are outraged over the move, which will cost solar and wind companies €2.7 billion [$3.6 billion] per year in subsidies and hike consumer rates by 3.2 percent. ["Spain Cuts Green Energy Losses", The American Interest, July 15, 2013.]

    How go things in Deutschland, after its knee-jerk decision to shut down nuclear power generation, post-Fukushima earthquake? Not that anyone could have foreseen problems with that …

    Amid talk of a trade war with China over cheap imported solar panels, the giant German engineering firm Siemens shuttered its solar division after hemorrhaging more than a billion dollars in just two years. … [Two] of the country’s biggest solar firms, Conenergy and Gehrlicher Solar, both filed for insolvency last week. Another engineering titan, Bosch, has also decided to get out of the solar market.

    Meanwhile, the country’s other major green energy project—off-shore windfarms in the Baltic and North Sea—is also threatening to turn into a boondoggle. The massive projects off the northern coast of Germany are supposed to supply 9% of the country’s energy needs by 2023 and were a cornerstone of the government’s plan to abandon nuclear power. Yet engineering challenges, uncertainty around future energy prices and NIMBYs who object to overhead high-tension wires passing through their neighborhoods all threaten to make the project a dangerous white elephant. ["Germans Re-Thinking 'Turn' to Green Energy",The American Interest, July 13, 2013.]

    Just how weary are the Germans of their new green energy utopia?

    “[Wind energy is] all an enormous swindle,” says Besigheim-based auditor Walter Müller, 65, whose former job involved calculating the value of bankrupt East German factories. Today, he takes the same hard-as-nails approach to examining the books of wind farm companies.

    His verdict? A fabric of lies and deception. …

    The wind turbines, whose job it was to protect the environment, are not running smoothly. Germany’s biggest infrastructure project is a mess. Everyone wants to get away from nuclear. But at what price?

    Even Winfried Kretschmann, the governor of Baden-Württemberg and the first Green Party member to govern any German state, is sounding contrite. But his resolve remains as firm as ever: “There is simply no alternative to disfiguring the countryside like this,” he insists. ["Eco-Blowback: Mutiny in the Land of Wind Turbines", Der Spiegel, July 12, 2013.]

    Sounds ominously like “We’ve got to destroy the village in order to save it.” Coming from an environmentalist, these are chilling words indeed.

    A May 23 article in The New American (“German Firms Flee to U.S. to Avoid Staggering ‘Green’ Energy Costs“) quotes an analysis of the German exodus in Deutsche Welle, and then opines:

    …[B]ased on the administration’s history of antipathy to all fossil fuels, its use of the EPA to quash energy production, and its commitment to vastly expanding our nation’s reliance on renewable energy, [Obama's] recent natural gas concessions could prove to be a temporary political move. If that proves to be the case, the German companies that are moving to America to escape Merkel’s unsustainable “renewable revolution” could find themselves facing the same predicament down the road here.

    Australia has always been a leader in the effort to control carbon dioxide emissions. Its experience has demonstrated that punitive taxes make Australian goods less competitive on the world market, so it is moving away from a fixed tax on CO2 emissions toward a trading scheme:

    Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said that the country would scrap its carbon tax, which is the highest in the world, and move to an emissions trading system which is expected to lower the price of emitting carbon dioxide. …

    “The fixed carbon price of $24.15 a ton will be removed in favor of a floating price, thought to be between $6 and $10 a ton,” ABC Rural reports. “The government is moving in this direction because a floating price takes cost-of-living pressures off Australian families and still protects the environment and acts on climate change,” Rudd told reporters. ["Aussies Plan to Ditch Carbon Tax," The Daily Caller, July 15, 2013.]

    As a point of reference, note that the Obama Administration recently changed the “Social Cost of Carbon” (SCC), an imputed value used to signify the total societal cost of carbon in its cost-benefit analyses, from $23.80 to $38.00 per ton.

    Consider these experiences in Spain, Germany and Australia, and then ask yourself why any thinking person would embark down that same road.

    http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/18/sprechen-sie-green-energy-no-mas/

     
  2. This post has been removed.

     
  3. This post has been removed.

     
  4. This post has been removed.

     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hansoribrother. Show Hansoribrother's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    There is a lot of spin and misinformation rolling around when it comes to "green" energy.

    There are naysayers regarding wind and solar that say it won't work because the wind doesn't blow all the time and half the day is dark. Well, yes, the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine but, that only matters if you are hard wired to it yourself. You can get your energy demand from green sources via local utilities if you want. Those sources are plugged into the grid.

    Solar and wind are not the only green sources out there either. There are nuclear fusion, fuel cells, algae (and other biological sources), etc.

    Our problem is that our politicians fund their friends instead of what is right fo rthe rest of us. Now it happens to be Obama who is funding electric transportation companies. Really dumb. OK, maybe for Obama it is smart. We need to fund companies that are researching alternatives to fossil fuel power plants. What differnce does it make to have electric cars if they have to be charged up from fossil fuel powered electric grids? What about all that electricity the goes into homes and businesses?  

    Green energy is a failure. Alternative energy is different. We could use something cheaper and cleaner than fossil fuels. And "cleaner" has nothing to do with CO2 emissions.

     

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from NoFreeWind. Show NoFreeWind's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    In response to Hansoribrother's comment:

    "There is a lot of spin and misinformation rolling around when it comes to "green" energy.

    There are naysayers regarding wind and solar that say it won't work because the wind doesn't blow all the time and half the day is dark. Well, yes, the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine but, that only matters if you are hard wired to it yourself. You can get your energy demand from green sources via local utilities if you want. Those sources are plugged into the grid."

    You have a misconception about the grid. The grid is not a storage buffer that youfill with green energy when the wind blows and the sun shines so that you can use it on windless days and at night. The grid is made up of switches and wires. When unscheduled green energy appears all grid operators can do is switch fossil fuel plants to standby where they continue to consume fuel and pollute the air.

    In the absence of grid scale energy storage green energy is a source of instability. When you get to a level of 10% or more you start to get blackouts.

    All the environmental damage wind and solar create is for nothing in return!

     

     




     

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


    So, what might be the best alternative, and in comparison a fairly green energy, natural gas, sits in the ground because the progressives insist we put up expensive to build, expensive to maintain windmills.

    Green energy, as currently constituted, is expensive, unreliable, and will only provide a small part of our energy needs.

    Besides, the whole green movement isn't about energy.  the issue is simply a vehicle for progressives to further squash the freedom and economic power of the people in this country.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


    Photo: lol

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


    Word.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    In response to Sistersledge's comment:


    Word.



    Because it won't work.

    simple enough answer for yah?

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from StalkingButler. Show StalkingButler's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    The entire continent is mired in a triple-dip recession brought about by financial austerity measures,

    Heh. Those bad (banksters, conservatives, bilderbergers, place your evil villain here) are forcing austerity measures on Europe for (no reason whatsoever, to squeeze every last penny from the locals, to further their evil plans) and it has nothing to do with the massive failures of the European social welfare model.

    Got it.

     

    --

    Think for yourself, question authority.

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from FortySixAndTwo. Show FortySixAndTwo's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    In response to A_Concerned_Citizen's comment:

    Funny how you wingnuts pick and choose certain European 'failures' as examples.

    The entire continent is mired in a triple-dip recession brought about by financial austerity measures, the exact same measures you dolts expouse here like the sequester, and yet you conveniently ignore those glaring 'failures' in your stubborn adherence to your failed ideology.

    I guess self-delusion does wonders to keep you wingnuts in line, to heck with reality....or at least only the reality you choose to see. 



    Says Captain Cherry-Picker himself....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

     
  14. This post has been removed.

     
  15. This post has been removed.

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


    Like Sun Gazing

Please Share

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    Predictions made on "Earth Day 1970 , by 97%, er, 100%  of green scientists...and you better not have dared dispute this , it was SCIENCE!

    “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
    • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

    “Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
    • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

     

    “We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
    • Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

    “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
    • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

    “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
    • Sen. Gaylord Nelson


    “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
    • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

    “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
    • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

    “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
    • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

    “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
    • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

     
  19. This post has been removed.

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    Sweden, you say, airborne, hasnt had what you laughably call "austerity"?
    You are full of it, pal.

    "When Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt celebrated his 45th birthday, his finance minister gave him a framed graph showing the tax burden falling to 45 percent of GDP for the first time in decades. It still hangs in his office."

    "The gift reflected the celebratory mood of a centre-right government boosting economic growth while reducing taxes and cutting unemployment and sickness benefits, shrinking a welfare state that is among the most generous in the world."

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

     

    Predictions made on "Earth Day 1970 , by 97%, er, 100%  of green scientists...and you better not have dared dispute this , it was SCIENCE!

     



    Predictions aren't the same as the theory itself, but you knew that. You're just dedicated to stupidity and dishonesty.

     

     

    Do you really think anyone gives enough of a crap to go through this with you again? Hide in your cave and say nasty things about libruls if you must. But this is getting tiring with you.




    Not as tiring as your endless boring useless retorts to any critique of the President, "Obama is a Muslim-loving terrorist" schtick, and not as tiring as your failure to post any substance,  but just personal insults.

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from ComingLiberalCrackup. Show ComingLiberalCrackup's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    "Predictions aren't the same as the theory itself".

    A theory of severe global temperature rise posits predictions about rising temperatures. If the predictions turn out wrong, better look again at the theory, eh? Or scramble to make excuses. 97% of scientists have been dead wrong before.

     
  23. This post has been removed.

     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from Sistersledge. Show Sistersledge's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9WRfS3xtAY

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from skeeter20. Show skeeter20's posts

    Re: Green energy a massive disastrous failure in Europe and Australia; can't we learn from this?

    In response to WhatDoYouWantNow's comment:

    In response to ComingLiberalCrackup's comment:

    [QUOTE]

     

    "Predictions aren't the same as the theory itself".

    A theory of severe global temperature rise posits predictions about rising temperatures. If the predictions turn out wrong, better look again at the theory, eh? Or scramble to make excuses. 97% of scientists have been dead wrong before.

     




     

     

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums/news/politics/general/arrogant-obama-describes-global-warming-doubters-at-flat-earthers-/80/6710048

    http://www.boston.com/community/forums/news/politics/general/its-hot-outsidefor-the-next-week/80/6725985

     

    Those are just the last two threads in which the same red herrings were thrown up, shot down, etc.


    I'm going to ask you to take a good long look in the mirror and think about what it is you hope to achieve.


    You have made painfully clear that absolutely nothing is going to get you to budge from your position that man isn't having an effect on global warming, and the 98% of scientists who published peer reviewed papers on the subject are all part of some conspiracy for money and/or to "distribute wealth" to third world countries.

    You have asked the quoted question in literally every global warming thread here ever, and it has been answered literally every time: They are constantly gathering more data and working on their models.

    The underlying theory has not been disproven. What hasn't been established is the full effect all possible mitigation systems. But the underlying heat trapping theory is still true, and nothing people predicted in 1970 refutes that.

    Now you can stamp your feet and insist the contrary, but that's no better than telling your doctor that there's nothing wrong with drinking a fifth of whiskey every day because .....hey...Lemmy ain't dead yet.

    [/QUOTE]

    Man most certainly has an effect on global warming. The question is: how much of an impact? The big yellow thing out there has more of an impact than man ever will.

    also consider that not all the effects of global warming are bad.  Increased temperatures means longer growing seasons, and more agricultural acreage, most of it further north.

    this is not to say that man should freely pollute, but let's look at the entire picture, not just the thin slice progressives want to focus on, that man is bad for the planet, and must be controlled at all costs.

     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share